Okay, this seems incoherent. Who precisely are you talking about? 100 people in the US, murdered by whom? Which 100 people? I'm not being funny, I just genuinely do not know what you're talking about.
people killed by the storm. the storm that was assisted and guided along its path.
How exactly does that follow from your statement: 'maybe on Qiyama, when Allah hands you your book, you can just give it back and say, "I'm sorry. You willed it. Ergo, it is Your fault, NOT mine!"' Your words, to which I was replying.
you, in all cases, is a collective you. we, and again collective, shouldn't turn on Channel 5[so to speak] and say [or feel], "i know what happened." you[collective] only know know what channel wants you to know. if something happens, how do we know what really happened. if we just accept and digest pablum, then we are being directed by those not in alliance with Allah and his Messenger, pbuh. if we partake in spreading said pablum, we have joined a cause not intended for us. we are not on the straight path.
I suppose in your opinion I am one such person. If that is the case, you are simply wrong. If that is not the case, please correct me.
it is not for me to judge who amongst us is in that group. i merely [and quite frequently] cite other sources of information. a lot of this information is censored from this site [agree or disagree]. even if someones views appear to put them in that group, it is not for me to "accuse them", but merely to seek to find another way to point out that "said pablum" is exactly that. Allah knows best how much "said pablum" that i, myself, have or do, or might even regurgitate. i seek protection from doing so.
Well, I said 'Hey, it's ridiculous to politicise a hurricane'
i see the hurricane, not its origin, but its expansion and directing as EXACTLY the same as the areas that i mentioned. honestly! people were saying, in advance, where the storm was going. they offered evidence BEFORE events happened. my understanding of Sandy is that it spurred on and directed at the US with malice aforethought; invasion by weather, if you will.
Then, you said, 'No it's not! Look at this, and this, and this atrocity, all committed by Americans!'
that is the "sequitur", all committed by...though i do not use the term "Americans." but the same people who committed those other atrocities.
I assumed you were saying this was some sort of punishment.
i haven't spoken to that issue. i usually refer to Mufti Ismail Menk. to someone on the straight patch, it could have been martyrdom; to someone else punishment; to someone else it could have been atonement. i don't know which, that is for Allah alone.
To be honest, I found your post to be an incoherent bombardment of non-sequiturs.
i explained the series of events and their relation. as for me being incoherent: YA THINK!
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Try to be clearer. One can't just throw random questions at people and expect them to narrow in on one's real meaning.
See above.
Also the way I used 'you' was meant in a general way, as in 'if one believes so and so', as opposed to 'you, the person to whom I am replying'. I should have been clearer.
i actually try to do the same
Who was murdered by whom? You need to be a lot more specific here. Are you saying the people killed in the hurricane were murdered?
YES
So you're saying the people killed in the hurricane were murdered?
YES
And the hurricane was caused by Allah?
inception is by Allah, manipulation is not.
Therefore... Allah... murdered these people?
not in my line of thinking.
Is that what you're saying?
nope
You do know that 'murder' means 'killing unlawfully', right?
correct
Unless you're saying the hurricane was man-made? HAARP, right?
there is more to it than just HAARP. I remember posting a vid to that nature
Just tell it to me straight, I'm honestly interested in what you have to say. No need for riddles.
This all looks like ranting to me. You're not making a cogent argument because you haven't even said what your position is. Seriously, I don't know what you're talking about, so these rhetorical questions do not enlighten, they simply obfuscate the truth of your belief.
i believe the effects of the storm were manipulated by man. i can't answer, "what men?"
I do wish you would ask fewer rhetorical questions and make more statements. Because I'm sincerely trying to understand what you're saying and see where you're coming from.
is it clearer now? i do not say, member A and member B are 1) full of crap; 2) misguided; or 3) lying. one speaks in generalities just to ask the question. one is a little less general in speaking of things one knows or believes to be true.
What does this have to do with the hurricane? Just be direct, I honestly want to know what you're saying. Are you saying that the media is full of liars and we shouldn't trust what they say? Because I agree with you.
SOME may be "liars" because they just don't know better. i an NOT even calling THEM liars, because they believe it to be true. those that KNOW it isn't true and those that ORDER them to lie, we can agree that they deserve the title.
Okay, when you say 'you' do you mean me? Or just people in general? Because I wouldn't write you off.
in general, which even includes myself. what i see as true today, may be different tomorrow.
Bro, stop talking in riddles and be direct. I'm talking about people's responses to the hurricane, I'm saying that it's stupid to say 'this is a punishment' or 'this is not a punishment', and to me, it looks as if you just went on a rant about the media. Seriously, what are you trying to say? Weaponised weather? If so, say so. I'm not going to make fun of you. I just want to know what you're talking about.
