Why doesn't Allah wants us to enjoy this Dunya?

[Alpha Dude]

Why doesn't Allah want us to enjoy dunya

This question is vague and the conclusion is foregone in the questionners mind based on nothing but one incorrect assumption after another. This stems from lack of clear understanding of the Islamic creed and main beliefs.

Were only going to live on Earth once.

Point 1 to learn: Islam teaches us that life in this world has been created as a test. We are the test subjects. We have been given a chance to earn heaven (full of unimaginable pleasure, peace and contentment) and avoid hell (monstrous place). In order to do that, we need to obey the rules given by Allah. To that end, this dunya is not the 'real' time line. It's fake. A delusion. A video game (of sorts) - no sane person would forget about his real life in order to immerse himself in a video game world thinking that is the real life, likewise no sane person ought to forget the true nature of the dunya.

With the above point understood, your comment on living once on Earth should be extended in a way different to what you intend - i.e. we only live once, we only have one test, one chance to avoid hell so better do good things and avoid bad stuff.

Who knows if were going to see the Technology again.

i. Technology in and of itself is not haram.
ii. If you get to paradise, you'll have anything your heart desires.
iii. In any case, in Jannah, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't care for something a human constructed from his limited perception on this Earth when you would have vast unlimited exciting items created for your pleasure by the All Powerful one true source of everything. I mean, you wouldn't give a second thought to an ant hill or a birds nest in comparison to the burj al arab? It's the same concept but multiplied by infinity. Allah is the creator. He created the intelligence with which humans have reached the pinacle of current technological achievements. Reflect on that. How could you miss the technology created by mere nothing (humans) when you'd have something from Allah in Jannah?

I mean I know alot of people who are really nice people. just trying to survive the harsh economy. People work all week long, shouldn't they have a day or two to relax and enjoy.

Why not?

One can enjoy and relax whilst being good Muslims too.

Just because people who don't believe the same as me and you believe doesn't make them a bad person. There are far more disbeilivers out there who are more nice then some Muslims I know.

If a Muslim is not being nice then he is not being a good Muslim. I agree, there are many decent and noble minded non-Muslims out there. However, a sinful Muslim still can gain Jannah after several thousand years of punishment in hell as long as he belives in Allah whereas non-muslims don't get that. Allah is just and full of mercy. He wouldn't put people through something that wasn't fair. Hence, one deduction that can be made is that Allah's existence and the Prophethood of Muhammad (pbuh) is so so obvious that anyone who denies it deserves to be punished by Allah.

 

[M.I.A.]

I'd say less favorable than having multiple affairs and multiple kids out of wedlock.. strange world ain't it?
Perhaps if people were more honest with themselves and their partners they wouldn't be so worried about who is saying what behind their back!

best,

and stoned to death as per other thread if you have your way..

im kidding that is a different scenario as compared to actual wives.

but i guess id never cross that line... or even ask my own question.



i might sound like a complete spanner but the question was posed because of this...

Allah will not force you away from things that are inherent in you as a human

as for hitler,

he should have known the jews were around before even he was.

im sure they will find there holyland.

when they once again become a holy people.


...i know im "programmed" to hate but i guess once you look past the programming all thats left is the unchanging law, right?

 

[جوري]

and stoned to death as per other thread if you have your way..

If I have my way with what? I don't go around snooping on illegal sexual acts if that's what you're suggesting, maybe you should think before you write?

You don't seem very happy as a Muslim, and I don't think you actually understand the religion which begs the question why you chose this as your faith? I presume you a convert am I correct?

 

['Abd-al Latif]

and stoned to death as per other thread if you have your way..

im kidding that is a different scenario as compared to actual wives.

but i guess id never cross that line... or even ask my own question.

i might sound like a complete spanner but the question was posed because of this...

as for hitler,

he should have known the jews were around before even he was.

im sure they will find there holyland.

when they once again become a holy people.


...i know im "programmed" to hate but i guess once you look past the programming all thats left is the unchanging law, right?

Bro, you possess minute fragments of information of which you seem to have understood none of. I'm not belittling you or anything but seriously you have to learn Islam before commenting on anything.

I also advise you not to leave everything to empiricism otherwise you're going to go around in circles for the rest of your life. This is even more evident when Allah says regarding this:

They know only the outside appearance of the life of the world (i.e. the matters of their livelihood, like irrigating or sowing or reaping, etc.) (Quran 30:7)

P.S

Let's put things into perspective: stoning to death is the law of Allah and not anyone elses.

P.P.S

Who's talking about Jews? I wasn't. I was talking about those who practise homosexuality. Where did the Jews come in all of this?

 

[M.I.A.]

why i chose islam?

i dont know?

could have ended up as anything, i just sort of woke up one day questioning my perception of my life.

..actually it was a question of not agreeing with something i was learning.. something taught to a lot of people as fact.

it made me realise that sometimes the truth is something people dont want to hear.


i really could have ended up as anything, but i was born into a muslim family so the first thing i picked up was the quran.

and it made sense in parts.

and it made me realise in the end that it really is the same thing repeated over and over throughout history..

just written differently.. which made me accept all the books and prophets (pbuh) and... you know the line.

and then that want for finding common ground in all things just took another delusional step.

but as much as you know, you realise that most peoples reach there own ends.

they dont change.

if they died and were resurrected a million times they would still be at each others necks.. you cant kill the devil.

you just make it a place where he doesn't live.

i know that as a muslim every strategy should be used against non-belief.


but i dont plan to spend my life crafting plans.. and i wont be a tool wantingly.

so yeah, a broken tool in the toolbox..

is hard work to use and nobodies favorite.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Enough with the pessimism. :heated:

 

[M.I.A.]

sure, no more.

id go on to say we are what we have been through but..

i cant tell if i deserved it.

wont be putting anyone else through it, thats for sure.

 

[ardianto]

I walked on tea plantation area in south of Bandung, and I enjoyed the beautiful panorama, then I walked to lake patengan and enjoyed the fresh lake air. After I felt satisfied I walked to a stall to drink bajigur, a traditional drink that made from coconut milk and palm sugar. I enjoyed this time, and I felt happy.

Does Allah forbid me to enjoy a pleasure like this?. No!.

Allah does not forbid human to enjoy dunya. Allah just made rule, which pleasures in dunya that human may enjoy, which pleasures in dunya that human may not enjoy. Dunya pleasures like gambling or drink alcohol are haram. But other dunya pleasures like bicycling, jogging, drink coffee or juice, are halal. Zina (adultery) is haram, but have intimacy with wife is halal.

Some pleasure in dunya are haram, but many pleasure in dunya are halal. So, if we have many choice of halal pleasure, why should we choose haram pleasure?.

We live in dunya once, but life in dunya is not the only life we have. There is another life after we leave dunya. Always remember it before we choose a pleasure.

 

[Amat Allah]

There is another life after we leave dunya

and it is eternal too unlike the temporary dunya which you will take nothing from it to grave but your deeds...

 

[Innocent Soul]

Finally everyone came on topic.

As bro ardianto said there are many things in life that you can enjoy. Walking the garden, spending time with family, learning new things , eating some good food,
talking to an old friend...

"Seek, with the (wealth) which Allah has bestowed on you, the home of the Hereafter, and forget not your portion of lawful enjoyment in this world, and do good as Allah has been good to you, and seek not mischief in the land. Verily, Allah likes not the mischief-makers"
(Quran 28:77)

Nor strain thine eyes in longing for the things We have given for enjoyment to parties of them, the splendour of the life of this world, through which We test them: but the provision of thy Lord is better and more enduring.
[Surah Ta Ha:131]

“Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children - like the example of a rain whose [resulting] plant growth pleases the tillers; then it dries and you see it turned yellow; then it becomes [scattered] debris. And in the Hereafter is severe punishment and forgiveness from Allah and approval. And what is the worldly life except the enjoyment of delusion.”
(Surah Al-Hadid, Verse 20)

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

bro CK one thing i've learned is that true enjoyment comes from rigorously abstaining from what is Haram.

When I am drawn into Haram I feel filthy, worthless, sinful, lacking and the list goes on. This is all with good reason as I know the effects of such Haram activities.

When I abstain I can feel the felicity, serenity, peace, build up of good atttributes and character etc.




so my question bro is have you actually tried a long time of abstaining from All Haram and indulging open mindedly and completely willingly in only halal.

I mean this in its deepest sense , IE no music/haram food/freemixing/shaving etc etc.

only if you have tried this can you understand its effect

 

[ck1986]

bro CK one thing i've learned is that true enjoyment comes from rigorously abstaining from what is Haram.

When I am drawn into Haram I feel filthy, worthless, sinful, lacking and the list goes on. This is all with good reason as I know the effects of such Haram activities.

When I abstain I can feel the felicity, serenity, peace, build up of good atttributes and character etc.




so my question bro is have you actually tried a long time of abstaining from All Haram and indulging open mindedly and completely willingly in only halal.

I mean this in its deepest sense , IE no music/haram food/freemixing/shaving etc etc.

only if you have tried this can you understand its effect

Why is Music Haram, I have been listening to Rap and Techno music for years know, and it hasn't turn me into a Gangster or a Pimp or a Drug Addict an Alcoholic.
I mean I just enjoy sitting and home after a long work day and listen to music

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Why is Music Haram, I have been listening to Rap and Techno music for years know, and it hasn't turn me into a Gangster or a Pimp or a Drug Addict an Alcoholic.
I mean I just enjoy sitting and home after a long work day and listen to music

like i said bro. taste the effect of not listening for a long time. for example give it up for a month and just read quran. the difference will be immence

 

[White Rose]

like i said bro. taste the effect of not listening for a long time. for example give it up for a month and just read quran. the difference will be immence

I agree. I know listening to music does not seem harmful but what is actually happening? You are just creating this temporary feeling of happiness or excitement. What happens once the song ends? You end up being where you were before. You realize nothing has changed and you go back to listening to the song. This is what shaytan wants. To tempt you to think that sitting in a chair thinking about something with the help of music is worth more than actually living in reality.
From personal experience, the music leaves a hollowness which I cant describe. It leaves you seeking more. Once you start listening to Quran, the hollowness goes away and the ayahs start sounding so beautiful that music sounds like dirt next to it.

 

[greenhill]

I cannot imagine jannah. It's just too perfect. Eternal. Something that living in this world has made my mind totally unable to conceptualise. However, I won't question its shape or form or what else is there apart from the flowing rivers of milk and honey, and fine silk and beautiful companions etc. If Allah can design fantastic pleasures for me in this world, who am I to doubt that the hereafter will be less? It surely will be beyond my comprehension. So I try not to think of it too much.

But the question of Dunya, there is no law to stop you from also enjoying life on Earth provided that you do it in moderation, not to the point of forgetfulness, forgetting or neglecting responsibilities and that it becomes the overriding reason to live. The Dunya is real, we live on it, but it is not all. It is just a temporary abode. Sometimes the reminder of this fact becomes misconstrued to mean that we should not enjoy Dunya. hew