Egypt: Ban on On-line Porn

[جوري]

:haha: about getting married - but you're right in that it was the main problem with KSA especially - my mom's friend son had no trouble whatsoever - he was married and a male.
It's strange to me how women work five times harder and get no recognition. Almost like they're not human beings with responsibilities and needs and equal investment in the time they spent on their education etc.

All we can say of the injustice east or west is حسبنا الله و نعم الوكيل

 

[GodIsAll]

I like it when people choose not to watch porn because of their religious commitments, their connectedness to God or because of their fundamental morality.

I don't like it when the government makes this decision for them.

 

[جوري]

Govt. can't be toting human rights while subjugating women for the pleasures of men. In fact it should be their duty to not only put a ban but to make it illegal all together and find out the parties involved, try to help the woman and punish the men involved!

best,

 

[GuestFellow]

I like it when people choose not to watch porn because of their religious commitments, their connectedness to God or because of their fundamental morality.

I don't like it when the government makes this decision for them.

This sounds like the most practicable solutions. Could do with some regulation but you cannot completely eliminate porn.

 

[~Zaria~]

Greetings,

I like it when people choose not to watch porn because of their religious commitments, their connectedness to God or because of their fundamental morality.

I don't like it when the government makes this decision for them.

Unfortunately, the majority of our society watches porn - despite of their religious commitments.

The minority that are able to fight this disease are those who ernestly striving to be conscious of their Creator at all times - for it is only this consciousness that will prevent one from engaging in a sin, whose only witness to it is Allah (subhanawataála) himself.

As muslims, it is our obligation to forbid all that is evil (even if we are not participating in it ourselves):

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Tauba 9:71

The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil, they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey Allah and His Messenger. On them will Allah pour His mercy: for Allah is Exalted in power, Wise.

On the authority of Abu Sa`id (radhiallahu `anhu) that the Prophet sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam said,
"Whoever sees something evil should change it with his hand. If he cannot, then with his tongue; and if he cannot do even that, then in his heart. That is the weakest degree of faith." (Sahih Muslim)

Hadith - Ahmed, graded authentic by Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami' (1/398)
The Prophet (saaws) said: If the people see an evil and they do not change it, soon Allah will inflict them all with His Punishment.
​

'Umar ibn `Abdul `Aziz said,
"It used to be that Allah the Most High does not punish the common people for the sins of the elite; but when the evil is done openly, and they do not repudiate it, they all become deserving of His punishment."


So, how do we sit back and continue to ignore this evil that is so rampant in almost every home?

Are we going to continue to turn a blind eye when CHILDREN are sharing this type of content amongst each other via their mobile phones?
When children are gang-raping other innocent girls on school grounds - whilst the others record it in amusement on their phones?

At which point do we say, 'Enough already' ?


As long as society continues to view this as a 'personal choice' - whilst ignoring its far-expansive consequences: on the long-term psychological influence on the minds of the young and all those exposed, the destruction of marriages, its influence on rape and incest, the degradation of women......we will continue to fight a losing battle.


Regards

 

[جوري]

the majority of our society watches porn

I sincerely hope it is a sick deviant minority that watches porn rather than the majority of them..

 

[~Zaria~]

^ It is heart-breaking, but Im inclined to feel that this problem is more wide-spread than we think.

It is freely available in most parts of the world.....a silent endemic that occurs behind closed doors.

While there is so much goodness that has occurred with the advent of the internet......what a curse it has openly unleashed onto society : (

 

[جوري]

in a way the net and media is the dajjal of our time and there will certainly be more than 70 Dajjal. I believe I read that in a hadith somewhere though I can't cite it at the moment..

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

While there is so much goodness that has occurred with the advent of the internet......what a curse it has openly unleashed onto society : (

Unfortunately so.

But if countries start making precautions like Egypt, Indonesia are doing then they may be hope for many, but I sincerely doubt the western world would start putting severe precautions in place

Brother Abz2000's post says it all really

Allowing kuffar governments to control the Internet is scary,
They themselves promote sexual deviance and this can be seen by what was allowed on tv and newspapers two decades ago vs now.
The only thing they would do efficiently is ensure access to critical information on global events is restricted while they use the mass media to deceive people,

 

[Cabdullahi]

A good website regarding this issue

 

[ardianto]

I like it when people choose not to watch porn because of their religious commitments, their connectedness to God or because of their fundamental morality.

I don't like it when the government makes this decision for them.

Which government?. If you are talking about Indonesian govt, you're wrong.

Indonesian govt did not make decision for the people to determine which sites the people may visit, which sites the people may not visit. People have freedom to visit any site in internet without restriction from govt.

Watching porn is not prohibited under Indonesian law. There's no rule that can be used to arrest someone who watch porn. But, there is rule that prohibit people produce, distribute, or keep porn stuff. Those who violate this rule can be arrested.

The purpose of "Telkom page" above is not for prohibit Indonesian people visit porn sites, but for prevent porn appear in computer monitors in Indonesia because porn is against Indonesian law. There's no prohibition for Indonesian people to visit porn sites and enjoy the "Telkom page" above.

 

[Ali_008]

I will commend the Egyptian government for taking this step. Doing something bad is one's own choice, but when you have a government that creates scenarios where sinning is difficult is amazing. Like brother Ardianto mentioned above, watching porn is not prohibited in any country, because even the staunchest sharia run countries can't implement that let alone the so called secular democratic nations. Everybody has the right to do what they want to do. If sharia was against freedom then there would be no place for non-Muslims in an Islamic country. During the time of the Prophet :saws:, many Jews and Christians coexisted with the sahaba. They were only subjected to paying jizya which wasn't any particularly targeted punishment either, because non-Muslims would pay jizya, and Muslims would pay zakaat.

We choose leaders to create a safe and secure environment for us and our families, and an environment where production, distribution, and trade of porn is allowed is not an ideal environment. Like I've said above, if you want to watch porn, watch it, it's your choice, and nobody can question you for it except Allah, but don't spread that filth onto others let alone support that industry with licensing and stuff.

I expect a lot from Egypt now, but I think that the world is so badly messed up that I think it is going to take even the Egyptian government a long time to form the ideal sharia constitution, and also its successful implementation. I pray that the Muslim ummah unites, and not break the jaw of anybody, but win back the honor of our beloved Rasoolullah :saws: by showing the world how practical and effective his principles really are.

 

[Muhaba]

To sr. Writer - I've no recollection of stating I applied through embassies - in fact I apply directly to their hospitals and their hospitals don't belong to them at all they're mostly a joint venture with the west.
You apply to Saudi you'll find yourself speaking to someone from the Ohio clinic, Qatar's Hamad is Weil cornel etc.
and they're often confused why you'd want to relocate there when you live in the west and have the original institution here. Saudi Arabia is the most difficult of all at least Qatar has an application to fill out and they're free to ignore you later.
I have been pursuing this long enough to know you've to have someone on the inside to see that path to fruition!

You wrote that you wanted to migrate, so I assumed you had gone to embassies to get a visa. I don't remember you writing that you had been applying for a job. Actually there is no way to migrate to middle-eastern countries. They don't have naturalization or immigration procedure (although some people have gotten permanent residence visas, possibly through some high-level authority/person from the ruling family). The only way to go to middle-eastern countries is to get a job and work visa. Other Muslim countries, such as Malaysia, do have naturalization and long-term residence visa system called "Malaysia-my second home" or something that Muslims who want to live in a Muslim country can check out.

 

[Muhaba]

Islamically, it is not only the governemnt's obligation to ban porn but also the propagation of inciting sexual material on TV, magazines, advertisements, billboards, books, etc etc. according to verse 19 of Surah Al-Nur: Indeed, those who like that immorality should be spread [or publicized] among those who have believed will have a painful punishment in this world and the Hereafter. And Allah knows and you do not know.

The commentary of this verse states:
(24:19) As for those, who like that indecency should spread among the Believers, they deserve a painful punishment in this world and in the Hereafter, *16 for Allah knows and you do not know (its consequences). *17
*16 The direct interpretation of the verse, in the context in which it occurs, is this: "Those who cast aspersions, propagate evil, publicise it and bring Islamic morality into disrepute, deserve punishment." The words in the Text, however, comprehend all the various forms that can be employed for the propagation of evil. These include actual setting up of brothels, production of erotic stories, songs, paintings, plays and dramas as well as all kinds of mixed gatherings at clubs and hotels, which induce the people to immoralities. The Qur'an holds all those who resort to such things as criminals, who deserve punishment not only in the Hereafter but in this world as well. Accordingly it is the duty of an Islamic government to put an end to all such means of propagating immorality. Its penal law must hold all those acts as cognizable offences which the Qur'an mentions as crimes against public morality and declares the offenders punishable.
*17
"You do not know...": "You do not visualise the full impact of individual acts on society as a whole: Allah knows best the number of people who are affected by these acts and their cumulative effect on the collective life of the community. You should accordingly trust in Him and do all you can to eradicate and suppress the evils pointed out by Him.These are not trivial matters to be treated lightly; these have very serious repercussions and the offenders must be dealt with severely."

 

[Cabdullahi]

dad-going-bad-websites

married lady watching porn

-i-committed-type-zina

addicted to masturbation

porn watched in ramadan

-brothers-only-urgend-my-fast-valid

Shameless

brother watching porn

I've looked at these women and seen their beauty and their image has been ingrained in my head now

fight-against-porn

The past year or so....from the advice section

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

I sincerely hope it is a sick deviant minority that watches porn rather than the majority of them..

Glad were having a sensible discussion about this. We cant bury our heads in the sand.

Like sister said it is regrettably a lot more prevalent now. I'm not much for banning, but I think this is a good move. We have to do all we can to protect the family system. Don't want to end up like the UK, where less than 50% get married and where single parenthood is considered normal (30%+). Safe to say that certain sections of the populations have pretty casual (or to put it bluntly decadent) attitudes when it comes to family and relationships.

(Just to add there are a myriad of reasons for the breakdown of the family system, its not solely due to pornorgraphy).

Finally, even though liberals tend to have very casual attitudes towards this material some of them are becoming concerned about the impact of pornography on society, particularly on children. This article should be of interest, a little too anecdotal but worth a read.

Teachers reveal the damage hardcore porn inflicts on pupils in a TES survey

Three-quarters of teachers believe that easy access to hardcore porn through smartphones, the internet and other media is having a damaging effect on their pupils, a TES survey has found. Responding to the poll, teachers described pupils who “couldn’t get to sleep without watching porn”, girls as young as 11 dressing like “inflatable plastic dolls” and boys who developed “almost pathological” attitudes to sex. They also confirmed reports that children were feeling pressured to perform sex acts, using derogatory sexual language towards each other and developing warped views of sex and relationships.

The survey, which found that two-thirds of teachers felt that sex education was failing to keep up with recent advances in technology, was carried out as heads’ union the NAHT called for lessons about the impact of pornography to be taught to children as young as 10.

The survey and the NAHT comments come in the aftermath of a TES feature on 5 October about the impact of porn on young people that triggered widespread debate. A number of the 555 respondents to the TES research claimed that parents were “naive” about the amount of hardcore porn their children could access. Teachers also complained that viewing porn led their pupils to become increasingly obsessed with body image and plastic surgery, with more than half saying they knew a pupil who wanted surgery to improve their looks.

They reported girls obsessed with make-up and tanning “to the detriment of study” and boys downing protein shakes in pursuit of the perfect body. But teachers said the problem went beyond hardcore images: the hit erotic novel Fifty Shades of Grey and TV series such as The Only Way is Essex were also blamed for the increased sexualisation of the under-16s. One teacher commented: “Children from as young as Year 7 are becoming over-sexualised. They feel under lots of pressure to perform sexual acts.”

Another teacher added: “Very overly sexualised language is becoming the norm when speaking to each other, and more so about each other.” Others claimed watching porn had resulted in “awful” behaviour of boys towards young women. Another complained of “constant inappropriate chat, and shocking knowledge of strange sexual practices from younger pupils”.

Kenny Frederick, headteacher of George Green’s School in East London, said easy access to porn was a problem, even with strict controls on school computers. “Our pupils have to hand in their phones at the beginning of the day so they are not viewing it in school, but you can’t control what they do outside school,” she said. She said “sexting” - where pupils send photos of their body parts on their phones - was a particular issue of concern.

Lisa Handy, coordinator of the Sex Education Forum, said that young people were accessing porn to get “answers to their questions”. “If pupils don’t have access to good-quality sex education, they go to other sources to get answers to their questions,” she said. “If they access things that aren’t designed to educate it won’t give them realistic information about what a healthy relationship looks like.”

Nick Boddington, subject adviser at the PSHE Association, added that measures to block access to porn were “only part of the solution”.

He said: “The sophistication of technology and young people’s use of it makes such measures a significant challenge to implement. “Therefore, it’s important that pupils explore such issues and questions that relate to their safety and well-being gradually and age- appropriately.”

The survey results were published as an explicit NHS sex education website for teenagers was accused by family values campaigners of encouraging “an unhealthy obsession” with physical acts. Campaigners are calling for PSHE, which includes sex and relationships education, to be made compulsory in England. Parents have the right to withdraw their children from any sex education lessons offered by schools.

Let ours be the voices that guide them

Alex McGrath, headteacher of Leighton Park School in Reading

These results demonstrate teachers’ overwhelming concern about the damaging impact of pornography on our children owing to its immediacy, accessibility and graphic nature.

This screen-based generation, their teachers and parents need to be aware of the power of the devices in their hands. This is not simply about modernising our PSHE curriculum: it requires a whole-school approach to the burgeoning issue of the easy accessibility of porn to children, together with honesty and integrity in addressing the issue with young people themselves.

In 2003, teacher Jane Longhurst was murdered by a man with an obsessive interest in violent pornography, and her mother successfully campaigned for laws to regulate such material. However, in 2012, these laws have become outdated and will not protect our children from becoming victims or perpetrators. But the willingness of schools to educate passionately on this issue just might. Our schools have a responsibility to the wider community and to produce young people who develop a moral compass during their time with us. It is not about telling children what to believe - they will suit themselves. However, when they do take choices throughout their lives at school and beyond, our consistent and clearly articulated values should guide them.

Schools’ whole-hearted engagement with such values, living them in our everyday work, will go a long way towards responding appropriately to what is a very real problem.

http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6297630

 

[~Zaria~]

^ JazakAllahu khair for sharing an important article.

For myself, and as the article illustrates, I am more concerned on the influence that this media is having on our youth.
It feels like we are 'breeding' a society that is that is being fed on such poison.

The strength of a society rests on its youth.
And at present, the psychology of our youth is being 'hard-wired' from so young, into creating over-sexualised beings with unhealthy (and dangerous) views on intimacy and marriage.

For those who do not consider a ban on porn, a moral obligation (irrespective of ones religious beliefs), I wonder what other means they propose to curb this growing addiction?

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Given the current liberal orientation of the political establishment (UK) (I'm afraid) its unlikely that there going to do very much about it. There has been suggestions about a blanket ban on online pornography with the exception of those who want to indulge in it, having to fill out a form form and sending it to their ISPs. The liberals really didn't like that suggestion, I wonder why. . . . .

I think before we start looking at solutions, we have to understand how we got to this place.

This is interesting

If you want an interesting book talking about the immense cultural changes that have happens since the 1960s, try this

Of course there's plenty to disagree with, but its a very interesting book and serves as a warning about what could happen to our community if were not careful.

 

[tearose]

Of course I don't share Peter Hitchens' perspective, but that video and the article about schools really show how British society has changed in a short time. When I was a child, adults used to tell us 'You shouldn't have sex before marriage, you shouldn't smoke or get drunk' and they told us about the risks. Now those children have grown up, they do all those things and the adults who warned them don't bat an eyelid, and many do the same things themselves. Children who were taught about moral responsibility have embraced a hedonistic lifestyle and don't want to hear about anything that would limit their freedom. Al7amdulilah Islam gives us a way out of the mess. But I do sometimes worry about the younger generation in this society.

 

[Persian]

Well, I guess we'll see much more Egypt-born children in the following years.