MPs approve gay marriage for England and Wales

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5 February 2013 Last updated at 22:38

Gay marriage: MPs back bill despite Conservative backbench opposition

MPs have approved same-sex marriage in England and Wales in a key Commons vote, despite the opposition of almost half the Conservative MPs.
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'We are all equal'

Opening the debate, Equalities Minister Maria Miller urges MPs to back the bill

Deputy Prime Minister and Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said: "I genuinely believe that we will look back on today as a landmark for equality in Britain.

"Tonight's vote shows Parliament is very strongly in favour of equal marriage.

"No matter who you are and who you love, we are all equal. Marriage is about love and commitment, and it should no longer be denied to people just because they are gay.

"The Liberal Democrats have long fought for equal marriage. It is party policy and I am proud that the Liberal Democrats are part of the coalition government that are making it happen."

MPs were given a free vote on the bill, meaning they were not ordered to vote a particular way by party whips.

Their decision to back the bill at second reading signifies that they approve of it in principle. The legislation will now receive more detailed parliamentary scrutiny.
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Opposition leader Ed Miliband said: "This is a proud day and an important step forward in the fight for equality in Britain.

"The overwhelming majority of Labour MPs supported this change to make sure marriage reflects the value we place on long-term, loving relationships whoever you love.
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Full news item here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21346220
 
Greetings and peace be with you Insaanah;

Sadly Britain is turning it's back against God.

Blessings

Eric
 
As-salamu alaykum,

Whats next, we should also be allowed to marry animals? Brother and sisters will be allowed to marry as well? Brace yourself for what the future holds for us!
 
Congratulations to England and Wales. I thought it was already legal there though. Better late than never I suppose. Canada has had it for quite some time now and all the horror stories we were promised never happened.
 
I'm so flabbergasted!#@;^%:/? *screams*

On a serious note, this was going to happen. Oh well let's see the social impact. *sits down and eats popcorn* Things are getting exciting! *drinks can of coke*
 
Salam alaykum

Someone eats popcorns here... me too.

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Pygoscelis said:
Congratulations to England and Wales. I thought it was already legal there though. Better late than never I suppose. Canada has had it for quite some time now and all the horror stories we were promised never happened.
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Are you kidding me?! ^o)
 
On a serious note, this was going to happen. Oh well let's see the social impact. *sits down and eats popcorn* Things are getting exciting! *drinks can of coke*
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I think you will be bored with the show. The impact will be close to nil.

What do you think is going to happen because gay marriage is legalized, by the way? How is this going to actually change anything and what are people so afraid of?
 
titus said:
How is this going to actually change anything and what are people so afraid of?
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According to the other thread here, the answer to your question appears to be that they are afraid of cannibalism and stuff. Don't ask me to explain that one....
 
titus said:
I think you will be bored with the show. The impact will be close to nil.

What do you think is going to happen because gay marriage is legalized, by the way? How is this going to actually change anything and what are people so afraid of?
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It has nothing to do with fear itself but a fear of society dwindling and hitting rock bottom. Among a number of factors, it has to do with morality and an upright society.

Throughout history homosexuality has always been strongly disapproved of and this can be traced back all the to era of Plato. It sickens me to think that many of today's leaders claim to be 'progressive' when Britian's ancestors, if not the ancestors of people in every corner of the world, proclaimed an intense hatred for homosexuality. And these are the people/ nations we read about in the history books. If anything the world is becoming distant than ever before from it's roots and the fear that moral individuals and families have is living in a perversive society where they and their children will live and grow old in.

What will it change? I absolutely detest that innocent mind's of young children in schools be taught that homosexuality is acceptable. I find it abhorrent that I should have to hear about gays getting married in holy places when it was God Himself who decreed the sacred act of marriage. And I find it absolutely unacceptable that they should be recognised in society today when they have clearly had no place in history.

Man's law may decree that homosexuality is permissible but that does not mean it should to be respected. I, for one, am strongly against homosexuality and so is every upright, ethical individual in the world who's moral compass is still in tact.

This is the fear: society dwindling and hitting rock bottom where there will remain no appreciation and value for the virtuous.
 
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'Abd-al Latif said:
Throughout history homosexuality has always been strongly disapproved of and this can be traced back all the to era of Plato
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A number of Greek city states at times officially tolerated homosexuality (eg Sparta). And many states through the centuries have tolerated homosexuality in practice, even if in theory they opposed it. This would include some societies who described themselves as Muslim.

'Abd-al Latif said:
And I find it absolutely unacceptable that they should be recognised in society today when they have clearly had no place in history.
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Historically, many notable figures from all walks of life were homosexual.

'Abd-al Latif said:
Man's law may decree that homosexuality is permissible but that does not mean it should to be respected
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From a science point of view the debate goes on, but personally I think its likely that one day it will indeed be shown that homosexuality in many cases occurs by nature, not by nurture. At that point it will raise many moral questions about whether an individual has much choice. For instance, latest research here:
http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/13/new-insight-into-the-epigenetic-roots-of-homosexuality/

'Abd-al Latif said:
I find it abhorrent that I should have to hear about gays getting married in the holy places when it was God himself who decreed the sacred act of marriage.
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Although I am very liberal in most respects, actually I do agree that it's wrong for the Church to be obliged to offer the 'sacrament of marriage', which is a strictly religious matter within their own jurisdiction. So long as homosexuals have equal rights within the state (civil union/marriage rights etc) then I agree that this measure is unnecessary and causes more problems than its worth.
 
'Abd-al Latif said:
Throughout history homosexuality has always been strongly disapproved of and this can be traced back all the to era of Plato. It sickens me to think that many of today's leaders claim to be 'progressive' when Britian's ancestors, if not the ancestors of people in every corner of the world, proclaimed an intense hatred for homosexuality. And these are the people/ nations we read about in the history books.
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So? For the vast majority of that period since Plato those same ancestors thought slavery was a good idea. Unless they were slaves, obviously. Fortunately we are not stuck in the past, and the attitudes of the past are today are regarded as unacceptable as often as not. Humanity is growing up. Just because our ancestors hated is no reason we should continue to hate. Hate always has been, and always will be, the biggest enemy of our species and a 'moral' code that teaches its preservation has little to recommend it, and no ultimate future.


Independent said:
Although I am very liberal in most respects, actually I do agree that it's wrong for the Church to be obliged to offer the 'sacrament of marriage', which is a strictly religious matter within their own jurisdiction. So long as homosexuals have equal rights within the state (civil union/marriage rights etc) then I agree that this measure is unnecessary and causes more problems than its worth.
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The Bill actually provides both opt-outs for any religious organization, and for any individual clerics within a religious organization that does not opt out. No such 'obligation' therefore exists for either organization or individual. The Bill also amends previous Equality legislation to prevent any conflict arising.
 
'Abd-al Latif said:
Are you kidding me?! ^o)
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:wa:

Where have you been all this time? He supports gay marriage.

titus said:
I think you will be bored with the show. The impact will be close to nil.

What do you think is going to happen because gay marriage is legalized, by the way? How is this going to actually change anything and what are people so afraid of?
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It's just Islam states homosexuals cannot engage in any sexual relations. That is what it boils down to.

^ Sorry ignore that part.

I think it will have an impact. Like homosexual couples will be more accepted than before. For example, it won't be unusual to have two dads. I don't think I said anything about fear.
 
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Trumble said:
So? For the vast majority of that period since Plato those same ancestors thought slavery was a good idea. Unless they were slaves, obviously. Fortunately we are not stuck in the past, and the attitudes of the past are today are regarded as unacceptable as often as not. Humanity is growing up. Just because our ancestors hated is no reason we should continue to hate. Hate always has been, and always will be, the biggest enemy of our species and a 'moral' code that teaches its preservation has little to recommend it, and no ultimate future.
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This is not about hate..no one can say who will go to heaven or hell, it's between them and God. I do not hate people who are gay, I have a friend who is gay actually. I simply believe it's a sin and is gross..
 

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