Letter from a US soldier in Iraq

Independent said:
As the letter is a fake, the only value of its contents is to tell us about the prejudices of its author. It tells nothing about the conflict itself.

If someone published a letter from an Imam calling for death and destruction to all Christians, which was then revealed as a fake, you would condemn it for inciting hatred. What's the difference here?
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This letter doesnt incite hatred, problem is you have much to talk behind your little PC screen and say: 'this letter is probably fake'. Ofcourse the media labels it as fake, the iraq war was a huge failure for the USA, the chaos and damage plus the amount of dead US soldiers. 500,000 iraqi children died because of the sanctions on iraq, the amount of iraqis in total killed by the US in both gulf war might exceed very well beyond the 2 million.



Tyrion said:
Right, use all the lies you want to make your point. That's the way to change hearts and win minds.
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In your eyes these are lies, go to iraq and see for yourself. You most likely think that this invasion was done for ''peacefull'' purposes. the only ones who are pumping oil right now are BP, shell, texaco and not the iraqi oil industries.



Logikon said:
The thing with that statement is that just last week a bomb planted by insurgents killed a lot of people in the Kurdish region of Iraq

The US was trying to stop such things but now they have gone.
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Nonsense, 700.000 iraqis killed by the US invasion, the death count is very high, the US was there to pave the way for a new government which will be enslaved by the US forver. Then the US tried to start a civil war between sunnis, kurds and shia's since the US couldnt handle the amount of attacks against their soldiers lol and to keep the country in chaos so it will never rise again.

Meanwhile BP is pumping the oil and enslaving the iraqi goverment.

Middle easr map of the new american century project:

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Iraq is gone, its divided in shia, sunni and kurdish states. Today you see it very well happen, north iraq has its own goverment, and now the sunnis are rising up in al-anbar province to be independend from the brutal shiite government.
 
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Jedi_Mindset said:
In your eyes these are lies, go to iraq and see for yourself. You most likely think that this invasion was done for ''peacefull'' purposes. the only ones who are pumping oil right now are BP, shell, texaco and not the iraqi oil industries.
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Nope, I'm merely pointing out that you're dishonest and are essentially trying to fool people into believing whatever point you want to make. You've been called out for using a fake source, and all you did was try to justify the usage of lies and fake information to persuade others of your views. You said that it "doesnt matter if it is true or not, the goal is that everything explained in the letter is true." Why should anyone believe anything you write?
 
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Tyrion said:


Nope, I'm merely pointing out that you're dishonest and are essentially trying to fool people into believing whatever point you want to make. You've been called out for using a fake source, and all you did was try to justify the usage of lies and fake information to persuade others of your views. You said that it "doesnt matter if it is true or not, the goal is that everything explained in the letter is true." Why should anyone believe anything you write?
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Its not even sure if this letter was fake. I am not fooling people. The point i want to make is that these are facts about the iraq war and that it wasnt for 'peacefull' purpose. You should read the whole topic before replying on my post. A ex-US soldier here admitted that despite the possiblity the letter is untrue, that this is indeed happening.

You are falling into the traps of some shills here on the forum who try to counter any info with some truth in it. Deal with your foolishnes.
 
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I still stand by what I've stated before, fake letter or not. The letter accurately describes what is going on over there and how people feel about it. Look at Dburzon. He says he's been there and his views doesn't sound any different than the supposed imaginary guy in the letter. And I know there are many others like him. So fake or not, it reflects the reality of the situation. The fact that so many people are focusing on the authenticity of the letter rather than taking the time to think if those things actually happen there is a little disturbing.

**I guess what I said echos what Jedi just posted ^^



As the letter is a fake, the only value of its contents is to tell us about the prejudices of its author. It tells nothing about the conflict itself.

If someone published a letter from an Imam calling for death and destruction to all Christians, which was then revealed as a fake, you would condemn it for inciting hatred. What's the difference here?
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Well, is the letter based on any facts like the Iraqi letter? Or is it simply trying to stir things up like those guys who made the cartoons or those who post ads in subway stations with misquoted/out of context parts of the Quran? There IS a difference.
 
Vito said:
The letter accurately describes what is going on over there and how people feel about it.
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All the best fakes contain at least some truth to them (or what people believe to be the truth) - otherwise they probably won't work. It was the same tactic with the Zinoviev Letter, the Dreyfus affair and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They all build from existing popular beliefs and prejudices.

Vito said:
it reflects the reality of the situation
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The best way to reflect the reality of the situation is to use real facts. There are plenty of good reasons to criticise US actions in Iraq. Why diminish your case by republishing fakes?
 
Independent said:
Iraq is gone, its divided in shia, sunni and kurdish states. Today you see it very well happen, north iraq has its own goverment, and now the sunnis are rising up in al-anbar province to be independend from the brutal shiite government.
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This is a fact. These ethnic divisions also are playing out in Syria.

The Kurdish Peshmurga and Shia government in Iraq even have a specific border where they can not cross into each others territory.
My unit was stationed on that line north of Baqubah.

The ethnic hatred and division was exacerbated by the Americans because we were trying to negotiate an oil sharing deal with the Kurdish fields in the north.
Not to heal ethnic divisions but so we could start mass development of those northern oil fields.

We all knew it. Our leaders even talked about it.

It was almost a day to day topic with our Peshmurga and ISF units that we lived with.
 
Jedi_Mindset said:
Vito is right in this regard, doesnt matter if it is true or not, the goal is that everything explained in the letter is true.
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Vito said:
I still stand by what I've stated before, fake letter or not. The letter accurately describes what is going on over there and how people feel about it.
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If the truth itself is ****ing enough, why not tell the truth? Using lies to tell the truth is, in such a case, unnecessary. And counterproductive.
 
Jedi_Mindset said:
In your eyes these are lies, go to iraq and see for yourself. You most likely think that this invasion was done for ''peacefull'' purposes. the only ones who are pumping oil right now are BP, shell, texaco and not the iraqi oil industries.
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Actually, the one doing most of the pumping is the Chinese national oil corporation, something American neocoservatives are very butthurt over ;D
 

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