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Cars evolved. compare the first cars with todays and tell us how today's cars are different from the first ones and how are they the same. did cars evolve from each other without human interference? did they come into being by themselves? Why not! In the future it's even possible that cars will drive by themselves. I can hear one car saying to another, we have no proof that human exists!
This is an aspect of language. The word evolution has a clear definition in a scientific context but it's also a descriptive verb meaning 'progressive change' in general.

The difference between the two definitions and uses of the word is perfectly well understood, there's no confusion.
 
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^I am trying to put it in your head that evolution cannot happen by itself. everything needs something to create it and make it evolve.
The universe didn't come into being by itself, mankind didn't come into being by itself, just as a car didn't come into being by itself.
 
^I am trying to put it in your head that evolution cannot happen by itself. everything needs something to create it and make it evolve.
The universe didn't come into being by itself, mankind didn't come into being by itself, just as a car didn't come into being by itself.

Salam alaykum

We as muslims will of course know that Allah has created all what is or has been on the earth. Evolution is then just as part of the creation. We don´t know paths of Allah as He knows them and thats why we made science to explain all this to us - by the way as we understand it better. The science is human way to understand knowledge of Allah all nature.

Just my opinion.
 
^thank you for your opinion sister. humans have a curious mind and strive to understand everything. and Allah tells us to look at nature and the Signs of Allah all around us and in our ownselves and reflect on thm and consider the Greatness and Wisdom of the Creator. Science should bring us closer to Allah than taking us away. But the theory of evolution attempts to place a veil over the eyes and make mankind blind! Just think of clouds and the rain cycle - if mankind pondered over it, they would realize that cloud formation and rain doesn't happen by itself. One of my teachers said that the water quantity on earth is the same as it was from the beginning - that is, water doesn't leave the earth's atmosphere. Water evaporates from the earth and turns into clouds and then rain comes down from clouds back to earth, so the whole is a repititive cycle. But what keeps water locked in the earth's atmosphere? why doesn't it leave? water is so necessary for life but what if water evaporated and left the earth's atmosphere, getting lost in space? what then? of course that doesn't happen becuase Allah made it that way.

so by studying all these amazing signs of Allah in nature we should realize that there is a Creator, the Creator is One, the Creator is Very Powerful, the Creator is Very Wise and the Creator is Very Kind. A lot of signs of Allah are mentioned in the Quran.
 
^thank you for your opinion sister. humans have a curious mind and strive to understand everything. and Allah tells us to look at nature and the Signs of Allah all around us and in our ownselves and reflect on thm and consider the Greatness and Wisdom of the Creator. Science should bring us closer to Allah than taking us away. But the theory of evolution attempts to place a veil over the eyes and make mankind blind! Just think of clouds and the rain cycle - if mankind pondered over it, they would realize that cloud formation and rain doesn't happen by itself. One of my teachers said that the water quantity on earth is the same as it was from the beginning - that is, water doesn't leave the earth's atmosphere. Water evaporates from the earth and turns into clouds and then rain comes down from clouds back to earth, so the whole is a repititive cycle. But what keeps water locked in the earth's atmosphere? why doesn't it leave? water is so necessary for life but what if water evaporated and left the earth's atmosphere, getting lost in space? what then? of course that doesn't happen becuase Allah made it that way.

so by studying all these amazing signs of Allah in nature we should realize that there is a Creator, the Creator is One, the Creator is Very Powerful, the Creator is Very Wise and the Creator is Very Kind. A lot of signs of Allah are mentioned in the Quran.

I do not think that evolution theory is made to keep us blind from the truth. If you look at the Holy Qur'an, it says that every living thing has been made out of water (21:30, Holy Qur'an), and consequently, scientists have understood this now hundreds of years later. Furthermore, the Holy Prophet (saw) said that every living thing has been made out of water in a Hadith (don't remember where I read it, it was in one of the Sunans), so how can we deny that scientists have learned rationally what the Holy Qur'an has already said by revelation?

If you look at religion, it has evolved as well. Humans went through stages of progressive intellectual and spiritual development through the centuries, and so Allah sent Prophets who came with laws that were fit for those lifestyles. Islam came when the spiritual evolution of man was complete and reached its zenith. Thus, Muslims follow the best law for mankind, whether mankind understands the "how" or not. This is the simple truth. Evolution occurs. just like species who were wiped out before don't exist now, so do evil generations of men cease to exist now and have been wiped out by Allah when they could not adopt to the new stage of evolution of the spirit.

If any Muslims say that belief in evolution is against Islam, then they are committing a sin, since they think that they know the exact meanings of the Holy Qur'an, while there are new and fresh signs of the truthfulness of the Holy Qur'an being observed all the time with more discoveries from science and in biology. Evolution does not go against the Holy Qur'an, but the Holy Qur'an certainly agrees with some of the concepts of it when you look into it carefully enough. Not every verse of the Holy Qur'an has been fully understood yet. It is a book with unlimited knowledge and signs. It will continue to be this way until the Day of Judgment. This is why it is the biggest miracle ever to happen to mankind. Evolution is simply another way to grasp this miracle. Allah is the Creator of the universe no matter what. It is possible that the way in which He created us is seen in the theory of evolution.

The Holy Qur'an says:

18:51 And remember the time when We said to the angels, ‘Submit to Adam,’ and they all submitted, except Iblis. He was one of the Jinn; and he disobeyed the command of his Lord. Will you then take him and his offspring for friends instead of Me while they are your enemies? Evil is the exchange for the wrongdoers.
18:52 I did not make them witness the creation of the heavens and the earth, nor their own creation; nor could I take as helpers those who lead people astray.

Thus, these scientists, who think they can figure out the exact creation of men as if they saw it cannot do so. The theories of our creation will always remain theories, since scientists cannot directly observe the creation of mankind, as Allah says above. Thus, the theory of evolution will remain a theory, but it will only be recognized as true because the revelation of Allah to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) speaks of the stages of human development in agreement with some parts of the theory. Science is all about observation, but when one reads this last verse above, they get a sense of Allah's profound wisdom, in that these people who worship their own egos and rational minds do not see that they can never completely satisfy themselves with the actual witnessing of their own creation. They will never have direct knowledge of how they came to be, only a theory.

In fact, they will never completely witness the creation of the universe in their laboratories, since the verse above says they did not witness the creation of the heavens and the earth. Thus, this verse limits the wisdom of scientists, and reassures Muslims that these men cannot claim to be all-knowing above Allah. The verse before it is telling us that these people are enemies to mankind, by trying to reject the Prophets of Allah and rely on their own knowledge to try and come to the answer about their own selves and how they got here. Man is severely limited, and no laboratory tests can give them the full knowledge of the evolution of man and the creation of the universe. So no Muslims should obey these Satans who are trying to deceive mankind into telling them that they have the answers, and that religion has no answers.

honestly, volumes can be spoken of about these two verses, since I think they really apply to our age. In fact, to try and recreate what happened in the creation of the universe is a much harder thing to do than to try and understand the creation of mankind:

40:57 Certainly, the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of mankind; but most men know not.

These scientists do not understand how difficult it is to know the creation of the universe. The Holy Qur'an describes the frustration that scientists will feel at trying to grasp the full understanding of the universe:

67:3 Who has created seven heavens in harmony. No incongruity canst thou see in the creation of the Gracious God. Then look again: Seest thou any flaw?
67:4 Aye, look again, and yet again, thy sight will only return unto thee confused and fatigued.

This means no amount of astronomical observation will be able to satisfy the curiosity of man. Man will only find himself confused because he cannot fully grasp the harmonious laws of the workings of the universe. This might mean that men will never know the M-theory, where they get a theory that explains everything.

So read the Holy Qur'an and reflect on science. Mankind is only now learning of their inability to fully observe nature, but the Holy Qur'an has perfectly described the limits of observation on mankind, and thus our inability to ever be able to fully understand what only Allah knows perfectly well.
 
I think people are inadvertantly moving away from the subject matter. The OP meant evolution as in the Darwinian sense, human beings evolving from apes etc. and not coke turning into pepsi. There is absolutely no evidence of evolution and in my opinion it is incompatible with creation.

Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala tells us that He created Adam (Alayhi Salaam) and not that He created an ape and that ape became Adam (Alayhi Salaam) over time.
 
There is absolutely no evidence of evolution and in my opinion it is incompatible with creation.
You are exactly correct in that naturalistic evolution relies strictly upon natural processes for the origin of species and that it is incompatible with creation by Allah even though we do not know the details of the process or means by which He deemed that human or any other living species came into eistence.
 
I do not think that evolution theory is made to keep us blind from the truth. If you look at the Holy Qur'an, it says that every living thing has been made out of water (21:30, Holy Qur'an), and consequently, scientists have understood this now hundreds of years later. Furthermore, the Holy Prophet (saw) said that every living thing has been made out of water in a Hadith (don't remember where I read it, it was in one of the Sunans), so how can we deny that scientists have learned rationally what the Holy Qur'an has already said by revelation?
I am not sure whether you accept evolution or not, but Darwinian evolution as it is understood today is inconsistent with Allah actively creating the species of life.
 
even though we do not know the details of the process or means by which He deemed that human or any other living species came into eistence.

Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala tells us in the Holy Qur'an how He made us.
Sahih International

And certainly didWe create man from an extract of clay.
Then We placed him as asperm-drop in a firm lodging.
Then We made the sperm-dropinto a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made[from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developedhim into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators.
23:12-14

تفسير Tafsir al-Jalalayn

Then We transformed the drop [of semen] into a clot, congealed blood. Then We transformed the clot into a [little] lump of flesh (mudgha), a piece of flesh, about the size of what one would be able to chew (mā yumdagh). Then We transformed the lump of flesh into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh (a variant reading in both instances [instead of the plurals ‘izāman and al-‘izāma, ‘the bones’] is [singular] ‘azman [and ‘al-‘azma], ‘the bone’; and in all three instances above khalaqnā, means ‘We made it become’ [as opposed to ‘We created’]). Then We produced him as [yet] another creature, by breathing into him [Our] Spirit. So blessed be God, the best of creators!, that is, [the best of] determiners (the specificier noun for ahsana, ‘the best’, has been omitted because it is obvious: khalqan, ‘in terms of creation’).

 
Assalam alaikum
Proof that all species evolved from a common ancestor ??

Well, there's the fact that all species are made of the same basic building blocks of life - DNA and amino acids.
 
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There is absolutely no evidence of evolution and in my opinion it is incompatible with creation.
Even if you reject evolution, I don't think it's reasonable to say there is 'no evidence'. For example...

The fossil record is incomplete, has many twists and turns, and can be read in different ways, but it does show a broad tendency from simple life forms to more complex. If there was no evolution, you would have expected it to show something else.

There are many mechanisms which could play a part in an evolutionary process, even if they are not complete right now - including DNA, reproductive systems, natural selection etc.

There is the issue of redundant organs such as the appendix, although this is disputed.

The theory has been successfully 'predictive' - eg the science of DNA and the gene was unknown in Darwin's time.

And there is evidence in the way nature re-uses and adapts certain structures, rather than inventing new ones - eg the re-use of the jaw bone in the inner ear.

All of these things don't prove evolution outright, but they certainly constitute evidence. If you look at things the other other way round, it would have been astonishing if people hadn't come up with something like the theory of evolution at some stage. However it turns out.
 
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Even if you reject evolution, I don't think it's reasonable to say there is 'no evidence'. For example...

The fossil record is incomplete, has many twists and turns, and can be read in different ways, but it does show a broad tendency from simple life forms to more complex. If there was no evolution, you would have expected it to show something else.

There are many mechanisms which could play a part in an evolutionary process, even if they are not complete right now - including DNA, reproductive systems, natural selection etc.

There is the issue of redundant organs such as the appendix, although this is disputed.

The theory has been successfully 'predictive' - eg the science of DNA and the gene was unknown in Darwin's time.

And there is evidence in the way nature re-uses and adapts certain structures, rather than inventing new ones - eg the re-use of the jaw bone in the inner ear.

All of these things don't prove evolution outright, but they certainly constitute evidence. If you look at things the other other way round, it would have been astonishing if people hadn't come up with something like the theory of evolution at some stage. However it turns out.
The mechanisms of theory of evolution are excellent to describe diversty within the same creature, while the is absolutely no evidence for your evolution from a common ancestor with bacteria.
Please explain the jaw "example" of evolution ?!
 
The mechanisms of theory of evolution are excellent to describe diversty within the same creature, while the is absolutely no evidence for your evolution from a common ancestor with bacteria.
Some of this could be read that way, other parts less so.

Although I support the theory of evolution myself, I'm not making a big case for it here. I'm simply saying that it is not accurate to say there is 'no evidence' for evolution. There may no be proof as yet - but there is certainly plenty of evidence. How you assess that evidence, and whether you regard it as sufficient, is another matter.

For instance, if evolution is not correct then you might have expected to find a number of different things - eg zero alteration in the fossil record over time, no random mutation in DNA, no redundant organs, and overall a set of creatures which need not have any particular relationship with each other. Any one of these things would have gone a long way to 'disprove' evolution.

in fact, given the amount of evidence that's out there, it would have been astonishing if mankind hadn't eventually come up with something like the theory of evolution at this stage in our knowledge - even if we change our minds later based on more research etc. People are very wrong to vilify Darwin as an evil man. I visited his house a couple of years ago and the main thing that strikes you is his humanity and his love for his wife and family, which led him to delay publication for many years, for fear of offending her religious sensibilities.

Please explain the jaw "example" of evolution ?!
One of the interesting features in the development of different creatures is how nature frequently adapts and re-uses an existing organ or physical feature, rather than inventing a completely new one (which you would have expected if creation was divine). A frequently quoted example of this is the bones of the inner ear, but it's just one example. See wikipedia for a summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_mammalian_auditory_ossicles

Of course, you may say that God works in mysterious ways and He is capable of re-using existing organs if that's what He wishes - however, it's also exactly what you would expect to find if evolution or a similar mechanism was the explanation.
 
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Thank you for all the replies brothers, but ive seen several scholars or imams not sure wht the difference is though say that the only thing we cant accept is humans and apes having a common ancestor and ive also seen people in earlier threads here say it, all i was asking is what do you think about it, i could link one scholar that does say what i stated earlier but im on my iphone and ill do it later.
 
Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala tells us in the Holy Qur'an how He made us.
Assalamu alaikum, yes, I am aware of this ayat, but my point is in the details. We know from this ayat the general development of an embryo inside the mother's womb, but whether the fashioning of Adam from clay was literal and instantaneous or figurative and over eons of time is not clear to me. We know from human anatomy and physiology that our bodies are much more complex than simply an animated statue. I yet contend that the details for how we came into existence are not known with certainty in the manner that no one can generate a time-lapse video model (along the lines of the Darwinian model of man evolving from an ape-like ancestor) to show with certainty exactly what happened in our creation.
 
Assalamu alaikum, yes, I am aware of this ayat, but my point is in the details. We know from this ayat the general development of an embryo inside the mother's womb, but whether the fashioning of Adam from clay was literal and instantaneous or figurative and over eons of time is not clear to me. We know from human anatomy and physiology that our bodies are much more complex than simply an animated statue. I yet contend that the details for how we came into existence are not known with certainty in the manner that no one can generate a time-lapse video model (along the lines of the Darwinian model of man evolving from an ape-like ancestor) to show with certainty exactly what happened in our creation.

I don't know why but I've always thought that the creation of father Adam was instantaneous, may be becase Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala tells us that He says "Be" and it is. So on the evolution basis why haven't we evolved into something else if humans have been evolving from the beginning. We'd probably have six arms and two heads (I could do with an extra brain).

Abu Hurairah narrated that:
the Prophet said: "The best daythat the sun has risen upon is Friday. On it Adam was created, on it he enteredParadise, and on it, he was expelled from it. And the Hour will not beestablished except on Friday."

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Some of this could be read that way, other parts less so.

Although I support the theory of evolution myself, I'm not making a big case for it here. I'm simply saying that it is not accurate to say there is 'no evidence' for evolution. There may no be proof as yet - but there is certainly plenty of evidence. How you assess that evidence, and whether you regard it as sufficient, is another matter.

For instance, if evolution is not correct then you might have expected to find a number of different things - eg zero alteration in the fossil record over time, no random mutation in DNA, no redundant organs, and overall a set of creatures which need not have any particular relationship with each other. Any one of these things would have gone a long way to 'disprove' evolution.

in fact, given the amount of evidence that's out there, it would have been astonishing if mankind hadn't eventually come up with something like the theory of evolution at this stage in our knowledge - even if we change our minds later based on more research etc. People are very wrong to vilify Darwin as an evil man. I visited his house a couple of years ago and the main thing that strikes you is his humanity and his love for his wife and family, which led him to delay publication for many years, for fear of offending her religious sensibilities.


One of the interesting features in the development of different creatures is how nature frequently adapts and re-uses an existing organ or physical feature, rather than inventing a completely new one (which you would have expected if creation was divine). A frequently quoted example of this is the bones of the inner ear, but it's just one example. See wikipedia for a summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_mammalian_auditory_ossicles

Of course, you may say that God works in mysterious ways and He is capable of re-using existing organs if that's what He wishes - however, it's also exactly what you would expect to find if evolution or a similar mechanism was the explanation.
well, i agree that there is no proof yet !
But don't give me some observations on comparative anatomy and expect me to consider it an evidence for your descent from a microbe-like ancestor, even if wikipedia said that !
 
I don't know why but I've always thought that the creation of father Adam was instantaneous, may be becase Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala tells us that He says "Be" and it is.
Wasn't Jesus the likeness of Adam? Was Jesus born as a fully grown man? Did Jesus originate as an egg from Mary and a sperm that Allah created and placed in Mary's womb? Did Jesus have any of Mary's DNA or was he instantaneously created afresh? Was he created as a new microscopic zygote that developed through normal processes, or was he created as somewhere in between? These are a few examples I can think of for Jesus. These are examples of the kind of questions I could present for Adam. Was Adam molded as a rigid, lifeless statue and then did Allah say "Be!" and the clay particles were transformed into a 100 trillion cells each with a nucleus containing 23 homologous pairs of chromosomes, or did Allah create him over eons of time in a manner somewhat akin to the transformation that each and every one of the 7 billion humans alive today went through? I don't know, but I know that the entirety of whatever means was used by Allah, was directly under the control and direction of Allah down to the most minute detail.
So on the evolution basis why haven't we evolved into something else if humans have been evolving from the beginning. We'd probably have six arms and two heads (I could do with an extra brain).
I am not a proponent of evolution, rather I am a creationist who admits ignorance of the means used for our creation.
 

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