Need the truth.What's right and what's wrong? (Muslims Only)

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Gintoki said:
Keep in mind I'm talking about those innocent non-muslims,Not the ones who commit murder and rape.
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remember, murder and rape are not the only sins in the world. stealing, cheating, fornicating, drinking beer are also sins in many religions, but people still partake in these sins. if you live in the west, you will surely know how some people spend friday and saturday nights...

But anyways, You do mention many times that Allah is not merciful for letting people starve to death, and for letting people get murdered or raped. But if there was no God, then who would bring Justice to these innocent people? If there was no God, there wouldn't be much order on the universe. I could easily steal money from a bank, rape as many women as I would like, then chill in prison with a roof over my head and 3 square meals a day. Then I would eventually die, and then what? According to your beliefs, nothing would happen to me, because I wouldn't get punished since their is no afterlife! :)

But once you read about the attributes of Allah, you will surely see he is the most Just. He is the one who will proportion out everyone's reward and punishment. Even if their are people who are starving, their is surely someone out their with enough power and money to bring relief to these people. And Allah will ask that person why they didn't help them, why they hoarded all their money in a bank. And when they can't reply, then who knows, maybe all of their good deeds will transfer over to the starved, deprived people, and there you go! those poor people have finally received their justice, when it really matters.

Please brothers and sisters, please do tell me if i have stated anything wrong or incorrectly, especially in my last paragraph. I dont want to make any errors and convey the wrong message if you know what im saying :)
 
Without suffering there could be no compassion. Or courage or perseverance. Or self-improvement for the most part. It's only in the crucible where the impurities are burned away.
 
Gintoki said:
I don't know myself. But all i know is that i must clear my doubts in order to be open minded. My primary motivation in life is nothing,just going with the flow. Will i have to pray to God in order for Him to give me guidance or i can just straightly ask Him?
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As far as i know, yes, you can just ask him straight. God hears all, if you ask him sincerely, God willing, he will guide you.
 
we really need to sit dwn in a cafe and discuss this such a long topic.


your neglect of salaah lead to whispers from satan which lead to your misunderstanding of the worlds situation and finally your neglecting of the creator.

that is the extremely summarised version of a 2 hour chat over some tea.
 
Good brother said:
You said that human & chimpanzee DNA are the same. Actually they share 96% (source)--the human genome contains over 3 billion base pairs so the difference = 120,000,000 base pairs - The similarity isn't something unexpected. We already knew there was a vast amount of similarity between humans and primates both in terms of physical characteristics and structure. It is a mistake to assume that observing similarities necessarily brings you to the conclusion of common descent. Taxonomy based on physical characteristics was already a very well established science when the idea of common descent came on the scene. Note that 99% of mouse genes turn out to have analogues in humans
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Good. I guess I'm convinced of a creator not having a creator.

I'm having mixed answers about hell thing. Some saying people will get fair justice and some saying only Muslims deserve paradise. I watched the 'why does god almighty send good people to hell' video. That turned me off. Sounds like only Muslims deserve it.

Well explain this article news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html
 
YusufNoor said:
we are totally clueless when it comes to Allah's Mercy. actually, when we "think we know better than Allah", we are committing shirk! thus, An Nawawi's Hadith no 42 is imperative to understand.
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Good post. But I'm confused as people are giving mixed answers.Some positive and some negative including in these forums such as jannat is only for Muslims. Will quote some of these posts i saw in this forum from the 'Is Allah going to put non-muslims in heaven?'
Urban Turban said:
Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Raji'oon - to this thread.

For sure Allah is the judge, but Allah rabbul izzat right in this world has granted us the Quran and Ahadith to judge ourselves - if Allah is the judge and he is going to ultimately decide who goes in and who isn't - then why quote the Quran and Ahadith, leave it to Allah and lead your lives as you are leading.

If being good was everything - read it again please, if being good was everything then why is calling people to Islam needed?

Why is so necessary to believe in and read and lead 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger' (peace and immense blessings be upon him) ?

Why were the Prophets (peace be upon him) sent?

We think there were no good and merciful caring Christians before Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) - and no good pious Jews before Prophet Jesus Christ (Isa) (Peace be upon him) etc etc ?

Like I said before... Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilayhi Raji'oon - to this thread.

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The Aqidah of the Ahlus Sunnah on who will be punished in the inferno and for how long, as stated in the Quran, Hadith, Teachings of Sahaba, and the Ijma’ of the scholars:

1. Sinful Muslims of the Ahlus Sunnah – for a temporary period of time to chastise them of their sins.

2. Those ahlul bid’ah (people of innovation) of the Muslims whose beliefs were somewhat corrupt and misled, but NOT to the extent of them becoming kafir – for a temporary period of time to chastise them of their sins and corrupt beliefs are a greater sin than corrupt actions.

3. ALL Kafirs – whether they are those Ahlul bid’ah whose beliefs became corrupt to the extent of them becoming Kafirs (like the Isma’ilis and Alevis for instance); or other kafirs like Christians, Jews, Atheists, Buddhists etc. who heard the Prophet’s name and his call to worship Allah alone – they shall stay in the inferno unceasingly, for ever, their punishment shall neither be lessened, nor shall they ever leave the inferno, there shall be NO intercessors for them either – the Quran says this in black and white.

We pray to Allah to grant us a life on Iman and a death on Iman, and to let us be benefitted by His Beloved Messenger’s intercession on the day of judgment. Aamiin bi hurmati Nabiyyihil ameen.

:wa:
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IbnAbdulHakim said:
jannah is for muslims only. and even for muslims it isnt easy to get into so i always say to myself "how do you plan on defeating your lower self because jannah is surrounded by fitnah.... what is your hope?"

may sound heartless but i have little time to worry about those who reject Allah

althou i hope perhaps they will be guided by their own sincerity and Allah is most Just and Most Wise
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So no one has answered this question I'm posing,They are 1.5 billions muslims out of 8 billion total people in this world. More than half will be in hell being burned. How is this logical? Cause it doesn't sound logical to me.
 
Jalal~ said:
But anyways, You do mention many times that Allah is not merciful for letting people starve to death, and for letting people get murdered or raped. But if there was no God, then who would bring Justice to these innocent people? If there was no God, there wouldn't be much order on the universe. I could easily steal money from a bank, rape as many women as I would like, then chill in prison with a roof over my head and 3 square meals a day. Then I would eventually die, and then what? According to your beliefs, nothing would happen to me, because I wouldn't get punished since their is no afterlife! :)
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Well look at the Atheists,you don't see majority of them committing crimes such as those right? They have morals too and can comprehend what's right and wrong. So that's a poor example. :/
 
Amat Allah said:


listen to this and In Shaa Allah you will find the answer...


May Allah lead your way to the path of the endless happiness Aameen
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I didn't liked that video. It was obvious his point was only Muslims deserve too go to heaven.
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
we really need to sit dwn in a cafe and discuss this such a long topic.


your neglect of salaah lead to whispers from satan which lead to your misunderstanding of the worlds situation and finally your neglecting of the creator.

that is the extremely summarised version of a 2 hour chat over some tea.
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Is their any evidence that satan is whispering in my ears?
I heard that when you wake up and you have a bad taste in mouth is because satan takes a piss in our mouth. Again stupid logic.
 
I don't know if there's any evidence for that or not but you're the one who saw that name in the sky. Like I said keep your eyes (and mind) open and you just might see it elsewhere too. It's written all over the place.
 
Gintoki said:
Is their any evidence that satan is whispering in my ears?
I heard that when you wake up and you have a bad taste in mouth is because satan takes a piss in our mouth. Again stupid logic.
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this wont make any sense to the spiritually dead but you are blinded by logic at the moment.
 
Gintoki said:
I didn't liked that video. It was obvious his point was only Muslims deserve too go to heaven.
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I don't know if you have seen the video till the end but I assure you that what you have posted above wasn't his point... You can try and listen again with an open heart and mind if you wish to understand. May Allah give you the best always Aameen
 
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Gintoki said:
Is their any evidence that satan is whispering in my ears?
I heard that when you wake up and you have a bad taste in mouth is because satan takes a piss in our mouth. Again stupid logic.
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the first part, yes. the second :embarrass well, i hear an awful lot of "stuff" too. not sure of it's origin.

anyway, about the first. there are some ahadith, but i was ready for the next step. so, another hadith; An Nawawi #37:

Narrated / Authority of: Ibn Abbas
that the messenger of Allah, among the sayings he relates from his Lord is : "Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones." Then he explained it [by saying that] :" He who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed." related by Bukhari and Muslim in their two salihs
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so, it might sound irrational that Allah allows us to be tempted, but the simple act of NOT performing said bad deed is considered a good deed! do a good deed, 10 - 700 times the ajr. don't do the bad deed, ANOTHER good deed! do the bad deed, 1, just 1, bad deed. WaAllahi, Allah is the most merciful!

and i lost my train of though on the other post imsad(this was actually part of it), so can i present some more points of view for you, akhi?

ma salaama
 
Gintoki said:
Well look at the Atheists,you don't see majority of them committing crimes such as those right? They have morals too and can comprehend what's right and wrong. So that's a poor example. :/
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Well what about the people who do commit these crimes? That's great that the majority of them don't commit these crimes, and people should follow suit :) but what about the one's who do? If a person's future is stolen by a gunman, and they aren't able to live their lives to the fullest, then How does the innocent victim receive his or her justice if their is no afterlife?
 
Jalal~ said:
But what about the one's who do? If a person's future is stolen by a gunman, and they aren't able to live their lives to the fullest, then How does the innocent victim receive his or her justice if their is no afterlife?
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Jack the Ripper. Horribly mutilated and murdered anywhere from five to eleven people. Never caught--to his dying day.
 
IAmZamzam said:
I don't know if there's any evidence for that or not but you're the one who saw that name in the sky. Like I said keep your eyes (and mind) open and you just might see it elsewhere too. It's written all over the place.
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I believe these kind of miracles happen once in a life time,no?
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
this wont make any sense to the spiritually dead but you are blinded by logic at the moment.
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Yes,logic. But there's logic to everything,just like theirs logic to how a creator can't be created. Surely there's logic explaining the existence of devils and angels.
 

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