Why Jesus was named The God's Word and A Spirit From God?

[ccc]

no. i only want to say that through Word's God I understand The uncreated word. It is Surah 4.171
another question: Is God's Word Creator or created?

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings ccc,

Your question has also been addressed here:

Hey.


Let's start off with what Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) said as stated in the Qur'an;

"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;"

[Qur'an 19: 30]


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There is no explicit verse like that in the Bible whatsoever when the christians claim that Jesus is supposedly God. Whereas it is crystal clear in the Qur'an that Jesus son of Mary is saying that he is God's slave and prophet.


The article focuses alot on the titles given to Prophet Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him), from the Qur'an. What the author doesn't realise is that many Prophets are given many names, i.e. Prophet Abraham is known as the Khaleel [close friend] of Allah/God, Prophet Moses is given a title of the one who spoke to Allah directly, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is given many titles, some even say that he has 99 names or more i.e. Khaleel [close friend] of Allah, AbdAllah [slave of Allah], RasulAllah [Messenger of Allah], Basheer [giver of glad-tidings], Nazeer [the warner] etc.


The article posted above however focuses on two main names which the person wants to take out of context, and alot of christian missionaries have purposelly - throughout history - used them to make people stray from the clear understanding which is given in the Qur'an itself, and the arabic language - in which the Qur'an is revealed in.



They are:

Kalimatuhu : God's Word (Ali Imran 3:45 )

Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

[Qur'an Yusuf Ali translation 3:45]


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What was that word? We know the Qur'an explains itself, so let's take a look at what Allah says in another part of the Qur'an:

Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.

[Qur'an 3: 59]



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So Allah is giving us a similitude, He is telling us that Jesus son of Mary was a word from Him by simply saying "Be!" - Mary got impregnated without the influence of a male impregnating her. Which shows the power of Allah/God, that He is able to do all things, and it clears Mary (peace be upon her) of the evil charges she was accused of.


This is proven through other verses from Qur'an;

Verily, when He [Allah] intends a thing, His Command is, "be", and it is!

So glory to Him in Whose hands is the dominion of all things: and to Him will ye be all brought back.

[Qur'an 36: 82-3]


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And when Mary was given glad tidings of a son, so was Prophet Zakariyya, and guess what, he was given glad tidings of a son even though he was of old age when his wife was barren (unable to have children!)

At that time Zakariya (Zachariya) invoked his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant me from You, a good offspring. You are indeed the All-Hearer of invocation."

Then the angels called him, while he was standing in prayer in Al-Mihrab (a praying place or a private room), (saying): "Allah gives you glad tidings of Yahya (John), confirming (believing in) the Word from Allah [i.e. the creation of 'Iesa (Jesus) , the Word from Allah ("Be!" - and he was!)], noble, keeping away from sexual relations with women, a Prophet, from among the righteous."

He said: "O my Lord! How can I have a son when I am very old, and my wife is barren?" Allah said: "Thus Allah does what He wills."

[Qur'an 3: 39-40]



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So if the christians claim that Jesus son of Mary was God simply because he was a word of "Be!" from God, then know that a miracle of Allah/God also took place for the birth of Prophet Yahya [John the Baptist.] And you as a christian know that Prophet John is not God, similarly Jesus son of Mary is not. They are both the slaves of God, who He has created. And know that it is only God, the One who created you, Jesus son of Mary, his mother, and us all Who is alone worthy of all worship.



The second controversial one christians try to take out of context is the:


Ruhuminhu or The spirit of Allah (Al Nesa 4:171 ) - The more accurate translation for this is Ruh [spirit] min [from] hu [Him]


What they don't realise is that anything which is special or favoured by Allah/God is known as Allah's. Let me explain this abit better, the Sacred Masjid [mosque] in Makkah is known as Baitullah [the house of Allah/God], yet this does not mean that Allah lives in that house. No. What it does mean is that this place is special, it is favored by Allah and therefore is known as the house of Allah i.e. it belongs to Allah - it is His.

This is exactly the same with the creation of Allah, i.e. the Messengers of Allah are Allah's creation and property, and they are sent from/by Allah. This does not mean that they are part of Allah. Similar can be said about the angels. And similarly, the spirits [Ruh] which He sends. Since Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) is highly ranked and favored by Allah, He honors him by stating that Jesus son of Mary is His property, His spirit (which He [Allah] owns.) And this is a part of the arabic language.

You can read more about this issue and linguistics here insha Allah [God willing];
http://www.islamicboard.com/prophets-islam/30362-how-eesa-created.html


Other names like Maseeh [Messiah] (translated as Christ in Greek) are words which alot of people don't truly understand, Maseeh (arabic) [Messiah] comes from the root word 'to wipe' - And we know that when Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) would wipe someone ill, they would get better - BY THE WILL OF ALLAH as has been told in the Qur'an over and over again [when his miracles are mentioned.] Similarly, we do not say that any other Prophet is God if he has done any miracles, since it is basic belief that nothing happens except by Allah's leave/will. So to say that Jesus son of Mary is God simply because he did miracles isn't sufficient as a proof that this person is God. Rather, it can show that this person is either loved by Allah and therefore Allah has given him/her miracles by His leave, or that he/she is an evildoer and doing magic. In the case of the Prophets of God, we believe without a doubt that Allah is pleased with them and this is why He has bestowed upon them miracles and signs, to strengthen those who believe in faith.

And Allah knows best.

Peace.

Also:

In the Qur'an Jesus is called "Kalimatullah," a word FROM God. The Qur'an is called "Kallamullah," the Word OF God. (Ali Ataie, Voice for Islam)

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As for "RuhAllah" the Qur'an actually says that Jesus is a ruhun minhu a soul from God. Before you jump to conclusions, read verse 38:72 where the same phrase is used for Prophet Adam and verse 32:9 where it is used for every human being! Now read verse 66:12 and you will see that it is used the same way for Prophet Jesus pbuh.

 

[ccc]

i again must ask my question. I ask: Why only Jesus has that name in the Quran? If that mosqee is named as it is named, it does not have relevance. God can not have a house from eternity.. But, of course there is a certain reason for that name. I also disagree if you say that the fact that it has that certain name does not make it special, if that name is unique. About the name word of god or even god's word, there is a different discussion, at another level: You said that God's Word and Spirit is from eternity, now we obviously have a different discussion. My question has become:
Is God's Word Creator or created?

 

[جوري]

Why only Jesus has that name in the Quran

He wasn't!
have you been reading any of the replies given to you here?
'Word' is otherwise a command given by God, the same as given to everything in creation to be!

best,

 

[ccc]

it is a great difference between saying "Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit" and " The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul".
"There are two key factors that the Muslims are only too inclined to overlook: the application of the title to Jesus alone and the fact that he is clearly described in Surah 4.171 as "His Word", meaning not a Word from God alone but the Word of God."

Jesus is the only one named The Word of God, Adam is not
Also, the fact that God gave life to the people is different of man being his word, because if god had word from eternity we would be from eternity and part of god

 

[جوري]

it is a great difference between saying "Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit" and " The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul".
"There are two key factors that the Muslims are only too inclined to overlook: the application of the title to Jesus alone and the fact that he is clearly described in Surah 4.171 as "His Word", meaning not a Word from God alone but the Word of God."

Jesus is the only one named The Word of God", Adam is not

unfortunately for you, you don't speak Arabic, have no idea of the parsing, etymology of words or semantics in general of the original tongue.. So it makes you a very poor at debating that is if we go by language alone and not logic which you're completely lacking at any rate unlike your religion and your language which differs from what Jesus spoke (btw what language did Jesus speak?) so many different opinions in by so many alleged 'scholars' ; Much of what he has said is lost to you in the translation if not actually in the gaps of time. Not the case in Islam. The Quran is the very word of God..ah, there's another 'word' of God what do you know.. should we worship the Quran? Many things in the Quran are the word of God and not just Jesus.. you really need to cross that gyrus and either be open to the fact that you're not only completely wrong but really need to expand your horizon a little and widen that confidence interval to include other possibilities. Especially when folks have laid out those possibilities using the same book.
You've failed to convince us from logic, failed to convince us from the bible and I assure you, you're failing miserably with your approach to the Quran.

best,

 

[YusufNoor]

no. i only want to say that through Word's God I understand The uncreated word. It is Surah 4.171
another question: Is God's Word Creator or created?

first of all, you asked a question and then specifically told us NOT to answer it! :uhwhat

let's look at the whole verse, shall we:

Sahih International
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

first off, you are referring to an ayat where the Qur'an IS SPECIFICALLY addressing the issue of Christians turning Jesus, pbuh, into a god, and you are trying to say that it does the opposite by calling Jesus, pbuh, the "word" of God. here, you are deliberately misstating the usage of the word, word; you actually seem to be confusing it with what the unknown author of the gospel, later attributed to John, the Greek word logos. now, the Greek word logos enters our history from the Philosopher Plato. it is a pagan concept of an "intermediary" between the "prime mover' and his creation, then enters into to world of Diasporan Jews through the works of Philo. Philo, being situated in the Pagan/Greek world, adopts Platonism. as he sees it, "who is Plato but Moses speaking Greek?" [A New History of Early Christianity by Charles Freeman, 2009 Paperback, page 68.] as Pauline Christianity spread, Christians distanced themselves from Judaism. (perhaps you should study this?) the Qur'an uses the Arabic word, kalimah. kalimah means "word, speech, address, utterance" [Vol 1, page 321 of the 2003 softcover version of A WORD FOR WORD MEANING OF THE QUR'AN by Muhammad Mohar Ali, Jam'iyat Ihyaa' Minhaaj Al-Sunnah]

so, the verse could just as easily read, in part:

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His utterance which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers.

read it that way to alleviate your confusion, as well as to destroy your argument.

now, according to the Maariful Qur'an Vol 2, pp 636, 636, Imam al Ghazzali explains the 2 factors required for the birth of a child, are 1) sperm and 2) the saying of the word "be". in the case of Isa, pbuh, ONLY the later was used and this is why it is mentioned in the Qur'an.
http://www.kalamullah.com/maariful-quran.html


for your second question, the term "logos" is not in the Qur'an as a title for Jesus, pbuh. thus, your question is moot.

capiche?

peace

 

[IAmZamzam]

This thread is officially becoming an endless series of ignored explanations followed by the very same questions again. What point is there is any of us continuing?

 

[Hulk]

Please stop trying to find excuses for worshipping creation.

 

[Ahmad H]

"Thus, Jesus (as) was only a Messenger, and only His Word, and a Spirit, which was gifted from Allah to him."
Wow, so you can take a part from god and put it in a creature. You can take God's Word from Him

It seems you didn't understand, when you give a gift to someone, does it mean that you took a piece of your flesh and gave it to them? Not at all. When something is gifted, then you did not take it from that person, but the gift is GIVEN to you by that person out of their own sheer good will towards you.

We do not fully understand this metaphor of what the Kalimat truly is or what the Spirit is. Of the Spirit, humans only have a little knowledge on it (17:85). And as for Allah's Kalimat, I have no idea what it truly constitutes. All I know is what the Holy Qur'an has said. Until I have learned what the Tafsirs said on this in large part, I cannot tell anyone what it is since I can't interpret this on my own. It may be that you misunderstood because you have a preconceived notion of what the "Word" and "Spirit" means. That is understandable. But, the interpretation of this is different in the Holy Qur'an. I suggest you read my above detailed post because I gave you the multiple meanings of what "spirit" (Ruh, in Arabic) has. Also, I showed the insignificance of a single Word from Allah, and that Allah could dispense with infinite Words if He wishes to do so. One Word is not the most significant matter in the whole universe above all else as the Bible interprets it.

 

[MustafaMc]

Is God's Word Creator or created?

Neither, and I advise you regarding this approach, "Some of those who are Jews change words from their context..." Qur'an 4:46 Do not try to twist the Qur'an to say what it does not. Jesus is not Allah (swt) and neither is he the Son of Allah.

Was God, at any time, dumb, deaf, or empty from any word or spirit?

You are using an absurdity to try to make a twisted point, and I will not dignify such a question with an answer. However, I will quote the ayat in full that you refer to:

"(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah). He will speak unto mankind in his cradle and in his manhood, and he is of the righteous." Qur'an 3:45-46

"O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter anything concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender. The Messiah will never scorn to be a slave unto Allah, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorns His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him" Qur'an 4:171-172 The miraculous birth of Jesus and his speaking as an infant to defend the honor of Mary and other references to him among the righteous clearly indicates that Jesus was indeed special. With regards to his being a word conveyed to Mary from Allah and a spirit from Him, I don not know the full meaning; however, that does not put into question that he was a servant of Allah which clearly illustrates that he was not other than a Prophet, Messenger and Servant of Allah in the same manner as Muhammad (saaws).

 

[ccc]

so there are things that are neither created or not created?

 

[جوري]

words aren't organisms perhaps you need to work on your linguistic skills!

best,

 

[Hulk]

I think he doesn't understand that God is the source of everything in existence, still trying to find excuses to worship creation alongside Creator.

 

[ccc]

i do not say that words are organism, but everything is created in this world, including our minds for instance and our words. But I ask, is the word of God created? Is it separate from God and there are more Gods? Is it like our word which comes into being and passes or it is eternal? What kind of thing is the word of God?

 

[جوري]

A word that comes from God is a command to be fulfilled not another god or the same god playing tricks. Not sure where you learned logic but it doesn't matter what sort of word play you descend to - what you propose is absurd!


Best,

 

[Woodrow]

I think we need to go back to the misunderstanding ccc seems to be having.

it is a great difference between saying "Then He made him complete and breathed into him of His spirit" and " The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul".
"There are two key factors that the Muslims are only too inclined to overlook: the application of the title to Jesus alone and the fact that he is clearly described in Surah 4.171 as "His Word", meaning not a Word from God alone but the Word of God."

Jesus is the only one named The Word of God, Adam is not
Also, the fact that God gave life to the people is different of man being his word, because if god had word from eternity we would be from eternity and part of god

He has separated His word from the phrase and is attempting to turn it into an entity. It seems he is trying to read as saying "the son of Mary, was His word" Reading it as if "his word" was a being.

I do not know if he is capable of understanding that the meaning is " The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of His word " His Word being Allaah(swt)'s word or the Injil. ie Jesus(as) carried and delivered the Message which was the Injill, Allaah(swt)'s word. aka His word


I do not know if my explanation will help as it seems everybody has already done a very good job at explaining. Sometimes we need to simply accept the fact some people are self blinded and will never see, in which case all we can do is shrug our shoulders, wish them well and move on with our lives, trusting that Allaah(swt) will lead all who desire to be led. We neither can nor have the right to even think we can make some one see that which they desire not to see.

 

[MustafaMc]

But I ask, is the word of God created? Is it separate from God and there are more Gods? Is it like our word which comes into being and passes or it is eternal?

I believe that Brother Woodrow hit the nail on the head with:

He has separated His word from the phrase and is attempting to turn it into an entity.

The critical issue is what the word "WORD" means to different people as in, "Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a WORD from Him." Some interpret this as being literally equivalent to Jesus based on their unconditional acceptance of, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." as part of the Bible which is accepted in toto as the revealed Word of God. Some may see WORD as meaning literally the Arabic word for 'be' as in, "He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was."

However, our understanding of language and words are as a means of communication with others. The question is, "To whom was Allah (swt) trying to communicate with in saying "Be!"?" Did 'someone' need to hear the word "Be!" from Allah (swt) for Adam or Jesus come into existence? If we think critically we may understand that WORD in this case does not mean Jesus as being eternally coexistent with Allah (swt) (astaghfir Allah), or perhaps not even as the literal expression of an Arabic spoken word, "Be!". My understanding is that WORD here means the expression of a command from Allah (in a way that behooves His majesty) to bring into existence what has been willed to exist by Allah (swt). I rather think that the speech of Allah (swt) is quite unlike our human speech as is His seeing and His hearing.

I could be entirely wrong in what I wrote for Allah knows best the meaning of 'a word from Him'.

 

[Ahmad H]

I think he doesn't understand that God is the source of everything in existence, still trying to find excuses to worship creation alongside Creator.

I could swear that I answered this question a long time ago. It seems you did not understand the words in verse 4:171. I will state the relevant portion for you once again:

4:171 "...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary..."

In other words, "and His Word which He conveyed to Maryam". This is saying that he was the fulfillment of the Word which He sent down to Maryam about the description of what her son would be like. This is explained in two places in the Holy Qur'an, and in fact, these same signs which he was sent down with were fulfilled in his lifetime when he was on earth. He was ONLY a Messenger of God. No more, no less.

So to answer the point to which you are trying to lead towards, no, there is no such thing as someone being the uncreated Word of God. As for the Qur'an being uncreated or created, that was a large debate amongst many Muslim scholars before. I personally do not know the answer to this, so I will not speculate since I am not a scholar. But the Holy Qur'an was sent down from Allah to us. It does not become personified, and neither does the Qur'an ever say that Allah's Words become personified.

As for the Words of Allah, it says in the Holy Qur'an:

18:109 Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we added another ocean like it, for its aid."

And,

31:27 And if all the trees on earth were pens and the ocean (were ink), with seven oceans behind it to add to its (supply), yet would not the words of Allah be exhausted (in the writing): for Allah is Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom.

So what does it matter, even if you wished for Jesus (as) to be just one single Word of God? A single Word does not match up to the fact that God has inexhaustible reserve of words. That just completely shatters such a view in my opinion. If Allah personified just one Word, then it is only a single one out of all the Words He could speak. Essentially, one out of infinity. This completely shatters the Christian concept of Jesus' being special. Even so, this case is merely hypothetical. It is not true in reality. Again, he was the fulfillment of the Word of Allah given to his mother about his coming.

 

[MustafaMc]

I could swear that I answered this question a long time ago. It seems you did not understand the words in verse 4:171.

Assalamu alaikum, I don't see how this is relevant to what Brother Hulk wrote. I think it is addressed to ccc.

In other words, "and His Word which He conveyed to Maryam". This is saying that he was the fulfillment of the Word which He sent down to Maryam about the description of what her son would be like.

I have not seen this interpretation before. Can you reference the source?