Child Unwell But Parents Did Not Seek Medical Attention

[Futuwwa]

Yes, I agree. It isn't always religion that causes this sort of thing. When parents refuse immunizations for their children, they not only put themsleves and their children at risk, but they put us all at risk if we fail to reach herd immunity threshhold.

Actually, it's only the unvaccinated who are put at risk by the loss of herd immunity. But that is a real issue as well, as not everyone can be assumed to be vaccinated. A few have valid medical reasons not to be, and immigrants would not have been covered by the infant vaccination program.

As for those who plead individual sovereignty to refuse vaccinations, I wonder if they would be willing to assume individual legal liability for any infections caused by them.

 

[Futuwwa]

Christians believe their children belong to them. Otherwise they wouldn't be called "their children".

And the parents are called "their parents". The siblings "their siblings". The grandparents "their grandparents". The cousins "their cousins". Does that mean that the children own their relatives? Do I own my boss? If not, why is he referred to as "my boss"?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Try and speak for yourself, but my offspring belong to me!

They are not your slaves. They are not your property. And if you see them that way then you are dangerous and they should be removed from you immediately.

 

[Karl]

They are not your slaves. They are not your property. And if you see them that way then you are dangerous and they should be removed from you immediately.

Who says so the UN red terror? FYI, I do not recognize the UN or other international charters. Typical stateworshipping leftist athiest comments. This is the problem with athiests they are the most self righteous pontificating totalitarian bigots. Your a hypocrite because the way you talk about my domestic affairs is as if I am YOUR slave, because my domestic affairs have nothing at all to do with you. We are slaves of God. I am dependant on God and my offspring are dependant on me. When my offspring are no longer dependant on me I will bestow independence on them. You and people like you are the dangerous ones, attacking and killing people worldwide for being different. Who should remove them from me? Godless totalitarian bigots the pontificators of false righteousness? People like you lead situations to the massacres of Christians in Waco. Massacres of Muslims in Afghanistan and the Middle East.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I can't tell if you are just trolling at this point. I suspect you are. You seem to be defending your right to abuse your children as you see fit and balk when I say we shouldn't allow you to. And then you follow that up with a bunch of straw man attacks having nothing to do with me or anything I have said. I really don't know what more can be said to you or about you.

 

[Karl]

I can't tell if you are just trolling at this point. I suspect you are. You seem to be defending your right to abuse your children as you see fit and balk when I say we shouldn't allow you to. And then you follow that up with a bunch of straw man attacks having nothing to do with me or anything I have said. I really don't know what more can be said to you or about you.

Stop being a lying twisting snake. That my offspring are my property is my inexorable position and I don't tolerate Godless commies telling me what's what in my domestic affairs. Any usurpers who wish to challenge my parental sovereignty will be in for a war. End of story don't bother writing back.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Stop being a lying twisting snake. That my offspring are my property is my inexorable position and I don't tolerate Godless commies telling me what's what in my domestic affairs. Any usurpers who wish to challenge my parental sovereignty will be in for a war. End of story don't bother writing back.

Ok now I know you're trolling. LOL Poe's law in action.

 

[Futuwwa]

I honestly don't think he is, he has held the same position in a number of threads.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Pygoscelis;

But that isn't the topic of this thread, and it isn't a very good analogy, nor an excuse for these abusive parents. We are not the parents of the starving African children. We did not bring them into the world. We are too apathetic towards them, but most of us are not actively and purposefully keeping food from them and intending them to starve, as these parents are actively and purposefully keeping medicine from the children and intending them to have none. We don't take pride in starving African children the way these parents take pride in denying their children medicine.

These children who starve to death in the Third World don’t have access to medicine either. We have a heated discussion about two children in America, but we don’t have the same passion about the millions who go without medicine and die in the Third world.

I believe we all have some responsibility towards these deprived children, we can petition our governments, we can give to charity, we can sponsor a child.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric

 

[Insaanah]

Please keep comments civil.

Another thought. I wonder if this couple went to work, to earn money, or went shopping for groceries. If so, why did they not just pray, "Give us this day our daily bread" (Matthew 6:11) and wait for their sustenance to fall out of the sky? If they actually actively made an effort to earn money, or to go out and get groceries, but made no active effort to obtain medical help and attention for their children, then their priorities were wrong.

 

[Karl]

Ok now I know you're trolling. LOL Poe's law in action.

Just because I do not have a left wing position on these matters that does not make me a troll.
Why don't you accuse all the religious of being trolls just because they are not on the same page in their beliefs to you?

 

[Hulk]

We have rights over our children but that right is not without responsibility. Unfortunately in this case I think the parents believed that they were being responsible. I wonder what their views are now, and what they would say if someone were to point out that even when someone goes for medical treatment, it will not be successful unless it is willed so by God.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Please keep comments civil.

Another thought. I wonder if this couple went to work, to earn money, or went shopping for groceries. If so, why did they not just pray, "Give us this day our daily bread" (Matthew 6:11) and wait for their sustenance to fall out of the sky? If they actually actively made an effort to earn money, or to go out and get groceries, but made no active effort to obtain medical help and attention for their children, then their priorities were wrong.

Very good point.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Psygo: If man or woman has the right to do whatever they wish with their sperm or egg, they also then have the right to do whatever they wish with the product that forms from the union of their sperm and egg. Only if you were more logical and rational and kept emotion at bay.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Why don't you accuse all the religious of being trolls just because they are not on the same page in their beliefs to you?

Very very few will claim a right to abuse and endanger, and kill their children.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Very very few will claim a right to abuse and endanger, and kill their children.

their not claiming then is from their ignorance.

you have not refuted my argument.

Red herrings wont help you.

 

[ardianto]

but my offspring belong to me!

Our offsprings are not belong to us but belong to Allah.

We live in the world because Allah. We can reproduce descendants because Allah. If Allah did not create us, if Allah did not give life to us and our offsprings, we would not exist.

 

[ardianto]

If man or woman has the right to do whatever they wish with their sperm or egg, they also then have the right to do whatever they wish with the product that forms from the union of their sperm and egg.

Who create your kids?. You or Allah?

 

[Pygoscelis]

you have not refuted my argument.

Red herrings wont help you.

Because I wasn't addressing your argument. I was directly addressing the text I quoted. Perhaps you could try that too. Perhaps you could also try speaking with some civility.

Psygo: If man or woman has the right to do whatever they wish with their sperm or egg, they also then have the right to do whatever they wish with the product that forms from the union of their sperm and egg. Only if you were more logical and rational and kept emotion at bay.

You regard the death of a sperm cell and the death of your neighbours as equally tragic? You somehow think this follows so obviously (it doesn't) that you give no explanation for the link, and just say ", they also ...." ?

And you seriously endorse murder so long as it is of your own descendents? Would you be ok with grandparents butchering entire families of children and grandchildren?

I still think this defending of child abuse and murder has got to be trolling.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Because I wasn't addressing your argument. I was directly addressing the text I quoted. Perhaps you could try that too. Perhaps you could also try speaking with some civility.



You regard the death of a sperm cell and the death of your neighbours as equally tragic? You somehow think this follows so obviously (it doesn't) that you give no explanation for the link, and just say ", they also ...." ?

And you seriously endorse murder so long as it is of your own descendents? Would you be ok with grandparents butchering entire families of children and grandchildren?

I still think this defending of child abuse and murder has got to be trolling.

I go where ever truth leads me to.

You still have not refuted my argument. Except that you have used words like "butcher" to taint my position so that people begin to hate me based on their knee jerk reaction.

This is the max you can do. Ad hominems. I feel pity for your mental impotence.