Boston bombings

[islamica]

Let's all stop dancing around it and just come right out and say it (although to give him credit Independent has come close to doing so):the real problem here is that the news media is almost never trustworthy, and the government's official story about anything will always be full of holes. So what difference does it make? If there is some conspiracy going on then we could hardly have any genuinely reliable way of picking up on it. It's the boy who cried wolf. Yet I'll remind you again that every single time there's a disaster which has a certain kind of emotional impact of the nation there's an anti-government conspiracy theory formed around it, and usually in short order. Pearl Harbor. JFK. Bay of Pigs. 9/11. The Ohio shooting. Even Columbine had a few people here and there doing it. And now this. At this point I saw it coming a mile away. I'm too used to it. In fact this seems to be so inevitable and so universal a psychological experience that the DSM may as well come up with an official "syndrome" name for it.

Polls show that 36% of Americans – roughly 100 million people – think it likely that 9/11 was an inside job. Many of these truth-seekers are highly-accomplished scientists, engineers, military and intelligence officers, and other experts. Though it is too early to know for sure, the Boston bombings featured the most important telltale sign of a false-flag op: A terror drill running simultaneously, mirroring the actual attack. As Webster Tarpley has explained in his book 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, false-flag attacks such as 9/11 and 7/7 are designed as drills that suddenly “go live.” This allows insiders to plot and execute the attacks under cover of the drills, with the “Team B” bad guys actually carrying out the attacks they were supposedly going to feign.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/boston...filtrating-mainstream-media-discourse/5331789

Good luck trying to find a "syndrome" for 100 million Americans and that's just the ones that answered the polls, also not counting millions of individuals worldwide. The number brainwashed and blinded individuals like you and indy grow less and less over time. There will always be two groups till the end of times, but don't worry, come J-Day, inshallah all will be revealed although it will be too late to help anyone.

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
- Hitler

 

[IAmZamzam]

Holy...tone it down a little, sister. Do my comments about the media and the government really sound to you like the product of someone who has been brainwashed?? I don't trust either one of them any further than I could bicycle kick the Chrysler Building. It seems, rather, like your definition of "brainwashed" is "in disagreement with me". My comment about syndromes was a joke. In actual fact I'm not at all sure that psychology is a science. But the pattern I spoke of holds true, and that "lots of respectable people believe this" argument has been used on all sorts of quackery and false teachings throughout history, including many things that go strictly against Islamic dogma. It's the reverse ad hominem fallacy and nothing more. I remember reading a book by Billy Graham in my grandmother's house which starts off the same way, citing all these respectable scientists and what not who believe in Christianity.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that my being skeptical of this conspiracy is going to d-a-m-n me somehow?

 

[islamica]

Are you seriously trying to suggest that my being skeptical of this conspiracy is going to d-a-m-n me somehow?

I'm not suggesting anything. Just reminding that come J-day, all will be revealed and no one one will be able to hide behind their lies. Allah commands us in the Quran to verify any news that comes our away, lest we start parroting it and then regret of the harm it will do. Allah gave us intellect to see for ourselves, if i see something fishy and smell something fishy then i'll believe something fishy is going on and no fancy talk or "debunking" of the liars will change that. I could care less for the kuffars as they are already d.amned, but it is the Muslims who need to be careful in their haste to condemn their fellow Muslims at the words of the kuffars, or to deny them their islamic right of a janaza such as the imams have done. These same Muslims you wrong by singing the tune of anti-islam bigots will hold you responsible on J-Day and demand justice from Allah against you.

 

[islamica]

The official story is full of more and more holes.
.

You know the saying, a liar changes his story every time while a truth person always tells same.


If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
- Mark Twain


Liar's motto: If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again.
- Duane Alan Hahn


I wonder how many times a flood of lies have been used to discredit one truth?
- Duane Alan Hahn


There is a great deal of hard lying in the world; especially among people whose characters are above suspicion.
- Benjamin Jowett

It is possible that many Islamic countries have resources that the capitalists want.

If you look at the Muslim world, the meddling is in the nations that have natural resources. It doesn't take a genius to figure out nor are the western politicians shy to say what they are willing to do in the name of "national interest".

Back to the Boston bombings, it is the same kind of a cultural war. They keep focusing on how this wife and mother both used to be "normal" people (i.e. drinking, smoking, partying, listening to lots of music, TV, etc.) wearing "normal" clothes (sexually provocative Western dress) but recently started "concerning friends" by wearing hijab, not going out much, etc. The Boston bombings were never about some big political move in my opinion. It is just another piece of the culture war against Islam.

You'd be surprised to see how these animals are treating the the wife of the dead brother.

 

[IAmZamzam]

Sister, all I did was express an opinion. Which is exactly the same thing you did. I would consider the possibility that come Judgment Day you'll have to be held responsible for hounding your brother over absolutely nothing when he's done nothing to you.

 

[Independent]

You know the saying, a liar changes his story every time while a truth person always tells same.

So why do you listen to Alex Jones?

Polls show that 36% of Americans – roughly 100 million people – think it likely that 9/11 was an inside job

Which poll? There have been many polls and i have seen some that give very different results - not least because the questions are often very ambiguous. Someone who agrees that the CIA might have had 'prior knowledge' of 9/11 is not the same as someone saying 'the government did it'.

Many of these truth-seekers are highly-accomplished scientists, engineers, military and intelligence officers, and other experts

And then you go on to quote Winston Tarpley, who is none of these things.

the Boston bombings featured the most important telltale sign of a false-flag op: A terror drill running simultaneously, mirroring the actual attack

Where is your proof for this? As I said above, this report stems from a single witness (Ali Stevenson) who saw some sniffer dogs (which is just about the last thing the authorities would want if they were planting the bombs themselves).

This allows insiders to plot and execute the attacks under cover of the drills, with the “Team B” bad guys actually carrying out the attacks they were supposedly going to feign.

What is the point of trying to explain away a bombing by saying that two guys pretend to plant a bomb, so that another bunch of guys can be planting the real thing? How does that explain anything? If Tamerlan is a normal guy, why is he pretending to plant bombs? This is not your average everyday behaviour.

We know that Tamerlan and his Mum were themselves fans of Alex Jones and conspiracy theories in general. His Mum seems obsessed by it. She obviously has a hatred of the FBI going back some time. Do you really think that Tamerlan or any other potential terrorist with half a brain can read this stuff AND STILL allow himself to be a patsy for anyone? Could he be that stupid?

Why would Tamerlan, whom his mum says has nothing to do with extremism, be prepared to go that far on a 'dummy run'? What possible excuse could they give him for doing it? And if they've got him to do that much, why not give him the real bomb anyway and save the trouble of involving a whole other set of operatives? It just doesn't make sense!

This is an explanation that solves nothing but adds on huge extra complexities and improbabilities. Please tell us how you think this operation worked.

 

[IAmZamzam]

I've never noticed the link before between capitalism and the phrase "national interest". There are so very many atrocious euphemisms in politics that you could probably create a nine-hundred page dictionary (with really tiny print) so I don't know if I could be blamed but all the same, well spotted.

 

[LauraS]

I agree with what Independent said previously, that if we were to believe all conspiracy theories then there would have been no acts of terrorism ever, all are just part of government set ups. We know there are Muslim hate preachers out there that advocate the killing of non-Muslims, so you are telling me there are those radical thinkers but no one ever acts upon what they say? What about all the suicide bombings that happen in the Middle East, Muslims are capable of killing each other but not Non-Muslims? Just the other day in the UK a group of men were charged with plotting to set off nail bombs- there are recorded phone conversations of them planning it, their families knew about it and were angry and I think the men actually admitted they were planning it. The Muslim community said something needs to be done to protect Muslims from the more radical elements. << This shows people have the capabilities and will to carry out these attacks and the more other Muslims are shown in the press to be speaking out against it the better.

I've heard the arguments stating 9/11 was a cover-up but I've heard even more convincing counter arguments and at the end of the day I think the sheer number who would need to be kept quiet means it's unlikely than it was anything other than a terrorist attack.

Also what in earth is the Sandy Hook killing meant to have to do with this? I don't see the connection. So the news posted a picture of the head teacher of the school instead of the Boston bombing victim, a stupid mistake but anything other than that? What's the suggestion that the whole incident was faked and none of those poor children died? Also what would be the motive for this, apparently the government have an anti-Muslim agenda so why are they setting up a white American? Conspiracies about this massacre are just the worst and scraping the barrel for controversy instead of showing respect for murdered children and their families.

Once again we are told to not blindly follow the media ask questions (and not being a Muslim I can't fully understand what a difficult period it is for you at the moment) but you close your mind to any possibility that these men are actually guilty. Put of interest- does any small part of you entertain the idea that they are?

 

[جوري]

I never shared any pictures unless you want to count the ones in the article I posted. In that case it was the New Yorker doing the editing, not myself. Maybe you would care to post the clear picture that was taken?

'Never' followed by the 'one' you posted and later commented on as being fuzzy renders this argument moot. Stick to a story for your own credibility!

I could say the same about folks who believe in a conspiracy that would have had to involve thousands of people killing thousands of their own citizens and yet 12 years later not a single one of them has stepped forward or let it slip, yet think that anything short of everything vaporizing on plane when it crashes is inconceivable.... those are the intelligent ones I guess?

adding 'thousands' involved is not only a faulty premise but concocted by you and the other individual. As for what you label conspiracy theory or conspiracy fact, it is your prerogative really. The U.S and NATO have been involved in many false flag operations that have entire documentaries dedicated to them even on the BBC if the only sources you accept as logical are main stream media and nothing at all to do with exercising reason!
here's a primal example:

unless you also desire to deny that there's such thing as central intelligence?

best,

 

[titus]

'Never' followed by the 'one'

Correct. I never posted any pictures. Not a single one.

I did post a link to an article that had pictures.

There is no contradiction there.

adding 'thousands' involved is not only a faulty premise but concocted by you and the other individual.

The other individual has a name.

If you can tell me your version of the events and the cover up that would not involve thousands of people please feel free to share. The versions I have heard on this forum all would need thousands of people involved and aware of the operation.

 

[~Zaria~]

Once again we are told to not blindly follow the media ask questions (and not being a Muslim I can't fully understand what a difficult period it is for you at the moment) but you close your mind to any possibility that these men are actually guilty. Put of interest- does any small part of you entertain the idea that they are?

Hi Laura,

Personally, I do see this as a possibility.

The problem is, that these young men have already been tried and convicted, and have not even had the chance to defend themselves as yet.

Attention was drawn to them from surveillance footage at the Boston marathon, simply because they had sachels on their backs?
There were hundreds of others at the event, who could also be held as suspects, based on this alone.

We already have one suspect killed, apparently by his brother running over him and dragging his body for a couple of metres
(even though the doctors who received him said that he appeared to have sustained gunshot and blast injuries, as well as the fact that his post mortem pics do not show any abrasive injuries).

We have another brother who apparently shot himself through his mouth (and then still managed to run with these serious injuries, and leave no blood imprints when getting into the boat, as seen on aerial footage), and hence, is currently unable to adequately defend himself.

And, we have the mysterious 'naked man': - who so happens to bear an uncanny resemblence to Tamerlan - in complexion, physique/ build, hair line, and just so happened to be at the scene at the time of the shoot-out.
If this happened to be you at the crime scene, would you not yell out: 'Its not the bomber. Heres my drivers license/ ID, etc'?
From the video, he seems to be making absolutely no protest to his arrest.
He has been positively identifed by his own family members (if it was our son/ brother, I am sure we would be able to identify him despite the video quality).
And he still remains nameless despite publics growing speculation.

Not to mention the other question marks that hang over this entire event....

Why would the brothers kill a security guard at MIT - and draw attention directly towards them, rather than go into hiding?
Why would they hijack somebody for their vehicle, when it is reported that Tamerlan had his own?......


Is this how the justice system works in Boston?
Where suspects are hunted down like animals, and dealt with without any chance for defense?

 

[جوري]

Correct. I never posted any pictures. Not a single one.
I did post a link to an article that had pictures.
There is no contradiction there.

You posted an article with a picture and commented on the fuzziness of it!

The other individual has a name.

Not really an SN is nothing but a smoke screen of any number of things including spambots!

If you can tell me your version of the events and the cover up that would not involve thousands of people please feel free to share. The versions I have heard on this forum all would need thousands of people involved and aware of the operation.

The forum is riddled with such versions. The onus is on your to establish why more than one or two people giving the orders are essential for your reasons to be valid!

best,

 

[titus]

Attention was drawn to them from surveillance footage at the Boston marathon, simply because they had sachels on their backs?

No, it wasn't simply because they had backpacks, but from the location they dropped the backpacks off and the location of the explosions, also the way they reacted when the bombs went off.

And, we have the mysterious 'naked man': - who so happens to bear an uncanny resemblence to Tamerlan - in complexion, physique/ build, hair line, and just so happened to be at the scene at the time of the shoot-out.

Actually a different scene, not the scene of the shootout. Also if this was a false flag operation then why would they arrest their patsy in public where there are obviously cameras in one place then stage a fake shootout at another public place?

(not the mention capturing the other brother alive)

Why not just shoot the guy on the street and say he had a weapon? Wouldn't that have been much much much easier than staging an entire shoot out in another place?

Is this how the justice system works in Boston?
Where suspects are hunted down like animals, and dealt with without any chance for defense?

The surviving brother is alive and in jail. He has an attorney and will be put on trial in front of a jury, and I am sure it will will be well publicized. He will have his day in court and be free to defend himself if he wishes in accordance with the law. That is how justice is done in Boston it seems.

He apparently has already confessed. What will you think of the conspiracy theory if he comes out and confesses publically?

Will you accept it?

 

[جوري]

He apparently has already confessed. What will you think of the conspiracy theory if he comes out and confesses publically?
Will you accept it?

Thanks for that hearty guffaw.. They never beat or coerce or force confessions out of anyone under some threat, body harm or duress? Of course they just shut the older one all together- so much for free speech ha?

 

[titus]

Not really an SN is nothing but a smoke screen of any number of things including spambots!

So who are you accusing of being a spambot and writing posts about conspiracy theories?

The onus is on your to establish why more than one or two people giving the orders are essential for your reasons to be valid!

You are the one making the claim of a cover up, therefore the onus is on you. If you can give a version of the events that does not require hundreds if not thousands of people to in on it then please share. If you don't then you may continue to keep evading the question.

 

[titus]

We already have one suspect killed, apparently by his brother running over him and dragging his body for a couple of metres
(even though the doctors who received him said that he appeared to have sustained gunshot and blast injuries, as well as the fact that his post mortem pics do not show any abrasive injuries).

Can you provide a source for this?

If it has been posted already I apologize, I must have missed it.

 

[جوري]

So who are you accusing of being a spambot and writing posts about conspiracy theories?

I haven't accused anyone of anything. I have merely pointed out that an SN doesn't a person make- the rest of that garble is another useless addition!

You are the one making the claim of a cover up, therefore the onus is on you. If you can give a version of the events that does not require hundreds if not thousands of people to in on it then please share. If you don't then you may continue to keep evading the question.

There's no cover up when things are obvious to the naked eyes. The thread is riddled with different versions, we can't be made responsible for what you choose to believe and what you choose to label conspiracy. I have already listed on the other page to the other fellow that the need for 'thousands of people' is just padding on his end, go back and read it.
And if doing the simply search is difficult then here it is again:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134319557-boston-bombings-3.html#post1579985

At least be original, don't hang on someone else's faults to make a point- if you've a point that is!

best,

 

[~Zaria~]

No, it wasn't simply because they had backpacks, but from the location they dropped the backpacks off and the location of the explosions, also the way they reacted when the bombs went off.

Theres no footage of the above.
If there was, why hasnt it been released as yet (only few seconds of a broken clip has been shown of these brothers at the marathon - and from the earlier videos that I posted, this too appears to be cut-and-pasted frames)

Actually a different scene, not the scene of the shootout. Also if this was a false flag operation then why would they arrest their patsy in public where there are obviously cameras in one place then stage a fake shootout at another public place?

One would indeed have expected more visual footage of the shoot-out, considering its great publicity and minute-to-minute updates by leading news networks.
Yet there are none.
Apart from poor quality footage, mainly from camera-phones.
The still-pics of the crime scene only show police either before/ after the key moments.
Interesting?

The surviving brother is alive and in jail. He has an attorney and will be put on trial in front of a jury, and I am sure it will will be well publicized. He will have his day in court and be free to defend himself if he wishes in accordance with the law. That is how justice is done in Boston it seems.

He apparently has already confessed. What will you think of the conspiracy theory if he comes out and confesses publically?

Will you accept it?

I would be open to his testiment.
As i mentioned, it still exists as a possibilty.
As exists the possibility of him being threatened into submission, by torture and other techniques.

 

[~Zaria~]

Can you provide a source for this?

If it has been posted already I apologize, I must have missed it.

[video=youtube;z5aPVfzczW4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z5aPVfzczW4#t=0s[/video]


The post-mortem pics can be found on-line.
For respect of the deceased, i do not wish to post it.

 

[titus]

As exists the possibility of him being threatened into submission, by torture and other techniques.

It seems that you are laying the groundwork to dismiss his confession if/when it comes.

I have merely pointed out that an SN doesn't a person make- the rest of that garble is another useless addition!

I am pretty sure it is a person, and using the name they give is usually a common courtesy. If you choose not to be courteous that is your right.