Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes

[GuestFellow]

Guess he doesn't know the history or what it's like in Turkey, where women who wear black hijab's (where allowed) are called "kara Fatma" (black fatima), a word used to describe cockroaches.

:wa:

I'm surprised to read this.

 

[the_stranger]

Guess he doesn't know the history or what it's like in Turkey, where women who wear black hijab's (where allowed) are called "kara Fatma" (black fatima), a word used to describe cockroaches.

I don't know these things. I never claimed to know these things. In fact, I said repeatedly that I am ignorant of much of Turkish history. All I am guilty of is questioning the motivations of a politician who is attempting to give himself more power.

 

[Independent]

I have no idea about Erdogan's personal sincerity or motives - however, what is beyond question is that he is seeking to change the constitution in order to prolong his personal power. His party, the AKP, is in a strong position to win the next election. However, AKP rules forbid the leader from being Prime Minister 3 terms in succession so Erdogan can't stand.

So, he is seeking to change the constitution in order to hugely increase the power of the presidency (currently more or less a ceremonial position) to make it like the US presidency. Whereas now the Prime Minister appoints ministers under parliamentary scrutiny, with Erdogan's new constitution the President would choose his own ministers and in effect rule by presidential decree.

It's the exact strategy employed by Putin, for the same reasons.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/world/2013/05/25/Do-we-want-a-President-Erdogan-.html

 

[Signor]

Why is Ergodan attempting to alter the nation's constitution in a way that would increase his personal power?

I think this article would help you to find your answer:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/opinion/protests-in-turkey.html?_r=0

In short,he want to make better amendments only to give extension to his own power.Really??Is this how he should do it in a Islamic way.Isn't this smell something fishy?

 

[جوري]

btw alarbia is just another name for al3brya.. It is basically Zionist news, the fox news in Arabic, a most vile paper along with Elaph if you've heard of it.
Always consider the source of your knowledge!

 

[the_stranger]

In short,he want to make better amendments only to give extension to his own power.Really??Is this how he should do it in a Islamic way.Isn't this smell something fishy?

My point exactly. But be careful, brother, you will be labeled a heretic by the brothers and sisters on this forum.

 

[جوري]

I think you missed the point of what br. Signor was trying to say. Also no one is calling anyone a heretic here, we simply point out what isn't compatible with Islam. No one here knows who you're, you can be anyone or anything.

best,

 

[the_stranger]

I think you missed the point of what br. Signor was trying to say.

I think brother Signor was expressing concern that Ergodan seems to be attempting to give himself more power.

Did I miss the point, Signor?

 

[Signor]

Let me clear my point.....Its not about being on any sides,I am talking about Eradogan actions in line with his intention.

Seemingly Intention:Makes President seat more stronger by empowering him.

Possible Effect:Amend constitution and bring more Islamic favor laws.

Question arises,this man is on this seat for so long where he have been since?if he loves Islam in such a way why he is siding with Zionists?These things puts a big question mark on future and this is the reason I uses it smells "fishy".

Does it makes sense?

 

[Signor]

I think brother Signor was expressing concern that Ergodan seems to be attempting to give himself more power.

For sure,this is my concern and this is big one considering Syria as neighboring country dealing with civil war and outside enemies.

 

[the_stranger]

Seemingly Intention:Makes President seat more stronger by empowering him.

This is the point I have been trying to address. Signor has succeeded in making this point clearly, where I seem to have failed.

Possible Effect:Amend constitution and bring more Islamic favor laws.

Yes, this could have favorable results for the Muslim majority of Turkey.

Question arises,this man is on this seat for so long where her have been to?if he loves Islam in such a way why he is siding with Zionists?These things puts a big question mark on future and this is the reason I uses it smells "fishy".

This is a perfect example of being critical of our leaders. I think Muslims all over the world would like to ask Erdogan about his stance on Israel, and how an increase in his power would affect his decisions regarding Israel.

Does it makes sense?

Makes sense to me. But this is a forum, and by definition multiple views and ideas need to be exchanged.

 

[Silent Peace]

The protestors are mostly Left-Wing and Communist, They think that Erdogan is Islamizing the country but the protests are started for the "cutting of the Trees and building a Mall" then turned into anti-government protests, one of the reasons for the protest was because Erdogan said: "2 drunk people created the constitution law" referring to ataturk and his friend. They were also protesting for the alcohol ban at night, but alcohol is also banned for the night in some european countries. I dont get the people who show him as "Muslim Hero" or Pious, while he added some Islamic Law, that was one of the things he did good but i dont think Hes implementing Shariah Law or bringing back Khalifa, Hes just making it more Democratic and a litlle bit of Islamic Law. I dont like the allience with the NATO. Hes not pious but Hes the best leader in Turkey for now.

 

[Perseveranze]

I think this article would help you to find your answer:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/opinion/protests-in-turkey.html?_r=0

In short,he want to make better amendments only to give extension to his own power.Really??Is this how he should do it in a Islamic way.Isn't this smell something fishy?

Alhamdulillah if this is true. If he can get more power, he can make Islamic reforms like completely removing the Hijab ban (he's tried before, but Secular/Kemalist courts kept overturning his decision, and thus became powerless).

May Allah make him successful this time around.

 

[Silent Peace]

Alhamdulillah if this is true. If he can get more power, he can make Islamic reforms like completely removing the Hijab ban (he's tried before, but Secular/Kemalist courts kept overturning his decision, and thus became powerless).

May Allah make him successful this time around.

Hijab ban is removed completely already long time ago.

 

[GuestFellow]

I thought the Turkish government wanted to join the EU. If the current leader wants to introduce elements of Sharia then would this not be a conflict of interest?

Or am I getting this wrong?

 

[Silent Peace]

I thought the Turkish government wanted to join the EU. If the current leader wants to introduce elements of Sharia then would this not be a conflict of interest?

Or am I getting this wrong?

Well Turkish Government still wants to join EU for now. We cant know if the current leader wants to introduce Main elements of Shariah until He does so. You can read about Egemen Bagis. Here is a little information about Him:

Egemen Bağış (born April 23, 1970) is a Turkish politician,
member of the Turkish parliament since November 2002,
current minister for EU Affairs and chief negotiator of Turkey in accession talks with the European Union.
His Political Party: Justice and Development Party

There was members from JaD Party at the meeting of bilderberg group in Istanbul, they held a meeting at Istanbul in 2007 after 32 years later.

http://www.bilderberg.org/2007.htm#Maximus

Foreign Minister Abdullah Gül arranged a special dinner for the participants at the Bilderberg conference who are meeting in Istanbul this year. The Foreign Ministry protocol organized the dinner for about 150 people at Muayede, the biggest hall in Dolmabahçe Palace on Friday.

 

[GuestFellow]

Well Turkish Government still wants to join EU for now. We cant know if the current leader wants to introduce Main elements of Shariah until He does so. You can read about Egemen Bagis. Here is a little information about Him:

Egemen Bağış (born April 23, 1970) is a Turkish politician,
member of the Turkish parliament since November 2002,
current minister for EU Affairs and chief negotiator of Turkey in accession talks with the European Union.
His Political Party: Justice and Development Party

There was members from JaD Party at the meeting of bilderberg group in Istanbul, they held a meeting at Istanbul in 2007 after 32 years later.

http://www.bilderberg.org/2007.htm#Maximus

:wa:

Thanks for the response

Why are there protests? What is going on exactly?

 

[Perseveranze]

Hijab ban is removed completely already long time ago.

Not according to this;

Attempts at lifting ban

Prime Minister Erdogan campaigned in his victorious 2007 campaign with a promise of lifting the longstanding ban on headscarves in public institutions. However, as the Turkish deputies voted in Parliament, tens of thousands protested outside in favour of the ban.[SUP][20][/SUP]

On February 7, 2008, the Turkish Parliament passed an amendment to the constitution, allowing women to wear the headscarf in Turkish universities, arguing that many women would not seek an education if they could not wear the head scarf. The main political party, the Justice and Development Party and a key opposition party, the Nationalist Movement Party claimed that it was an issue of human rights and freedoms.[SUP][21][/SUP][SUP][22][/SUP][SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][24][/SUP] The Parliament voted 403-107 (a majority of 79 per cent) in favour of the first amendment, which was inserted into the constitution stating that everyone has the right to equal treatment from state institutions. However the move resulted in opposition throughout Turkey. The country's educational board and numerous universities vowed to defy the new law. In addition, the main pro-secular, opposition party of the Republican People's Party asked the constitutional court to block the new law passed, and viewed it is a move towards an Islamic state.[SUP][25][/SUP] Thousands of demonstrators supporting the ban also gathered near the Parliament against the move by the government.[SUP][26]

[/SUP]Lifting of ban annulled

On 5 June 2008, Turkey's Constitutional Court annulled the parliament's proposed amendment intended to lift the headscarf ban, ruling that removing the ban was against the founding principles of the constitution. The highest court's decision to uphold the headscarf ban cannot be appealed (AP 7 June 2008).[SUP][27][/SUP]

Hes not pious but Hes the best leader in Turkey for now.

Exactly, so people shouldn't support the protesters who are out with the communist, Kemalist, Islamophobic banners.

 

[the_stranger]

Why are there protests? What is going on exactly?

I have the same questions. It is good to have someone who is actually there.

 

[Silent Peace]

:wa:

Thanks for the response

Why are there protests? What is going on exactly?

They protest because:

They think that Erdogan is Islamizing the country.
There was a law that allows the cutting of the Trees and Making a Shopping Mall.
Erdogan said: "2 drunk people created the constitution law" referring to ataturk and his friend.
Erdogan wanted to remove culture center and build an opera house.
He banned alcohol at night around 22:00 and 6:00.