Moving to an Islamic Country

[Ali_008]

Just from fiqh standard of point, Dawa is Fard Kifaya , practing our deen as avoiding Haram and do the mandatory is Fard, so if somebody cant practice their deen in any place then it is Fard to move.

I read this somewhere else as well that dawah is fard kifayah. I don't think I could agree with it, because a direct commandment of Rasoolullah :saws: was

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

The Prophet said, "Convey (my teachings) to the people even if it were a single sentence, and tell others the stories of Bani Israel (which have been taught to you), for it is not sinful to do so. And whoever tells a lie on me intentionally, will surely take his place in the (Hell) Fire."
[Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 667]

The commandment of dawah has been plainly mentioned in the Qur'an as well:

Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.
Surah # 16 - Surah An-Nahl - Verse 125

I'm no scholar, but when I read that dawah is fard kifayah, this hadeeth and ayah came to my mind, and it didn't feel right.

 

[facethetruth]

Convey (my teachings) to the people even if it were a single sentence

Brother thats why you need always to ask the scholars, but ask the right ones. This hadeeth for teaching and delivering knowledge not Dawa to non Muslim. You just delivered a hadeeth to Muslims, Jazak Allah Khair.

Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.

This aya is specfically to our prophet prayers and peace be upon him because he was sent to all people.

I hope it feels right now.

 

[Ahmad H]

the most sanest" "Muslim" head of state that i can see is Pres. Ahmadinejad of Iran. but it isn't an Islamic country, it is Shii'a.

Don't call others who claim to be Muslim non-Muslim altogether. You might have just called Muslims Kafir and incurred a heap of sin on yourself by doing so. I am advising you sincerely to not judge people's intentions, since as Muslims we aren't allowed to do that - no matter what the situation.

 

[Ali_008]

Don't call others who claim to be Muslim non-Muslim altogether. You might have just called Muslims Kafir and incurred a heap of sin on yourself by doing so. I am advising you sincerely to not judge people's intentions, since as Muslims we aren't allowed to do that - no matter what the situation.

I don't get it. What the brother said is the truth. Iran is a Shia majority country, and Ahmadinejad is a shi'ite, but even I admire his guts.

 

[Ahmad H]

I don't get it. What the brother said is the truth. Iran is a Shia majority country, and Ahmadinejad is a shi'ite, but even I admire his guts.

Shi'i or not, when someone calls them self a Muslim, we cannot say otherwise and judge what is in their hearts. If they are clearly Kafir then that is another thing. But don't group a whole group of people into the same category. It is dangerous to call that many people Kafir at once when the opposite can still be true.

 

[Abz2000]

The past thing we need right now is to divide ourselves politically, since we have a common political purpose.
They'd find it easier to fight us. I believe we should try to unite slowly on the truth via compassion and understanding.
However we must also be clear on what we know to be the truth, and encourage each other to understand that it's harmful to call sahabah who were promised paradise "kafirs and deviants".
Even wives of the prophet pbuh are not spared by some ignorant ones.

Grouping and ganging up on each other will only make the situation deteriorate though,
I'd rather go with understanding and explaining view points mercifully.
Hell we're prepared to do that with kuffar who even call the prophets liars.
Can't we do that with those astray amongst us?

Anyways, let's not go off topic and start royal rumble v, sectarian threads get messy and can be counterproductive..
Peace

 

[ardianto]

Is not "where we live" but "how we live" which will strengthen our iman.

 

[Ahmad H]

However we must also be clear on what we know to be the truth, and encourage each other to understand that it's harmful to call sahabah who were promised paradise "kafirs and deviants".
Even wives of the prophet pbuh are not spared by some ignorant ones.

Yeah, this is a serious issue. One narration of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) says that near the end of times, people from this Ummah who are the later ones will curse the earlier ones (the first generations, including Sahaba (ra)). So this is in fact a very serious sign of the close proximity of the Day of Judgment.

What is sad is that I find many Muslims mentioning things sometimes that refer to certain issues which are foretold by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw), which I would never think would have occurred in my time. And here we are discussing its occurrence in our lives. We should all reflect on this a bit. I am glad you brought this up because every time I notice another sign fulfilled about the coming of the Day of Judgment, I realize how much of a better Muslim I should become. May Allah reward you immensely.

 

[YusufNoor]

Don't call others who claim to be Muslim non-Muslim altogether. You might have just called Muslims Kafir and incurred a heap of sin on yourself by doing so. I am advising you sincerely to not judge people's intentions, since as Muslims we aren't allowed to do that - no matter what the situation.

no one is called a non-Muslim in that post. "Islamic" is in quotes because having a country chock full of Muslims, doesn't mean they are following Shariah Law. they may follow some, but not all. Shii'ism isn't Islam, period. but we don't call Shii'ites kafrs.

to put another way, Saudi Arabia is NOT an "Islamic" country, in my opinion, it is a "Muslim country". (which is probably why you don't see me going there. i'd either be dead or in jail.) (and i have nicer things to say about former President Ahmadinejad than i do about the Saudi royals.) (though i'd prefer a lot Saudi Scholars over Iranian clerics) tough choices in tough times.

:wa:

 

[Ahmad H]

no one is called a non-Muslim in that post. "Islamic" is in quotes because having a country chock full of Muslims, doesn't mean they are following Shariah Law. they may follow some, but not all. Shii'ism isn't Islam, period. but we don't call Shii'ites kafrs.

to put another way, Saudi Arabia is NOT an "Islamic" country, in my opinion, it is a "Muslim country". (which is probably why you don't see me going there. i'd either be dead or in jail.) (and i have nicer things to say about former President Ahmadinejad than i do about the Saudi royals.) (though i'd prefer a lot Saudi Scholars over Iranian clerics) tough choices in tough times.

I appreciate the clarification.

 

[facethetruth]

former President Ahmadinejad than i do about the Saudi royals.

Ahmadinejad is a good actor who did nothing except talking, just like Nasrallah and all of the Sheeies. Also add to that not every person who hate Israel is a good person. Russia and China for example, it is just politics things and thats why they are friends with Iran. Alhamdolilah Allah revealed them after Syria and I was just talking to a Lebaneese who told me how everybody hated them after their hypocrite stance.

lot Saudi Scholars over Iranian clerics

This is not a prefer thing. The Iranian "clerics" are one of the callers on the gate of hell fires, no way to compare them unless you add beside them priests, Kidyanies and so on . For example al Kumaini Kafir. Any person who pray (dua) in the meaning of asking anybody other than Allah is a Mushrik even he prays and fast. The hypocrite at the time of the prophet prayers and peace be upon him used to pray but Allah said they are hypocrite in many ayat and ahadeeth.


It is also where you can practice your deen and everybody will be held accountable for not moving to a place where they can practice their deen, as it is mentioned clearly in the Quran.

 

[ArmoredRunner]

I would love to live in Oman.

 

[Snel]

Ahmadinejad is a good actor who did nothing except talking, just like Nasrallah and all of the Sheeies. Also add to that not every person who hate Israel is a good person. Russia and China for example, it is just politics things and thats why they are friends with Iran. Alhamdolilah Allah revealed them after Syria and I was just talking to a Lebaneese who told me how everybody hated them after their hypocrite stance.


This is not a prefer thing. The Iranian "clerics" are one of the callers on the gate of hell fires, no way to compare them unless you add beside them priests, Kidyanies and so on . For example al Kumaini Kafir. Any person who pray (dua) in the meaning of asking anybody other than Allah is a Mushrik even he prays and fast. The hypocrite at the time of the prophet prayers and peace be upon him used to pray but Allah said they are hypocrite in many ayat and ahadeeth.


It is also where you can practice your deen and everybody will be held accountable for not moving to a place where they can practice their deen, as it is mentioned clearly in the Quran.

Well spoken sir!

 

[facethetruth]

This is the aya.

[SIZE=2.2]Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say: We were oppressed in the land. (The angels) will say: Was not Allah's earth spacious that ye could have migrated therein? As for such, their habitation will be hell, an evil journey's end; (97)[/SIZE][SIZE=2.2]Except the feeble among men, and the women, and the children, who are unable to devise a plan and are not shown a way. (98)[/SIZE]

 

[Ahmad H]

I don't know of any country where Muslims are kept from practicing their faith by any of the Kafirs. There may be certain practices like the Hijab which they keep trying to eradicate, but even that can be averted by fighting for our rights.

Also, give me a reason why you are saying that the Iranian clerics are calling people to the Fire. Are they denying anything from the five pillars of Islam, the six articles of faith, or anything from the Qur'an or Sunnah? I do not accept any such statements unless there is a very good reason. Just be clear too, Allah throws people into the Fire. Is you misjudge anyone, it could be you who Allah decides to throw into the Fire. So be very careful in what you say.

 

[facethetruth]

I don't know of any country where Muslims are kept from practicing their faith by any of the Kafirs. There may be certain practices like the Hijab which they keep trying to eradicate, but even that can be averted by fighting for our rights.

Also, give me a reason why you are saying that the Iranian clerics are calling people to the Fire. Are they denying anything from the five pillars of Islam, the six articles of faith, or anything from the Qur'an or Sunnah? I do not accept any such statements unless there is a very good reason. Just be clear too, Allah throws people into the Fire. Is you misjudge anyone, it could be you who Allah decides to throw into the Fire. So be very careful in what you say.

Brother I think you have no Idea what Sheas are. Go and research it yourself and let us know. Research what they say about Aisha the most beloved person to our beloved prophet prayers and peace be upon him. Go search what the devil Khumainy says about marrying an infant, what about what they say about Abu Bakir and Omar our prophet's prayers and peace be upon him ministers. OK check what they say about Ahadeeth. Look for what they say about Mahdi and how the prophet prayers and peace be upon him failed in his mission (A clear Kufur). Not enough what about making Dua to Al Albait. Check what are Nusariehy, What Alawai, What is Rafida...etc pls brother dont defend people that you dont know who they are. Your words shows that you have no Idea about their teachings. We dislike ununity more than you do and it is not our hobby to call people that they are misguided or Kafirs but there are stuff that if we agreed on we are going to be like them wa Atho bil Allah from this. Pls share what you have learned afterwards.

 

[Ahmad H]

I'm not defending them if they are doing wrong. But I will look into it and see what their ideas are about. Until then, all I know is that whoever calls themselves Muslims, must have their statements taken at face value. Allah will decide their fate later on.

 

[facethetruth]

Until then, all I know is that whoever calls themselves Muslims, must have their statements taken at face value. Allah will decide their fate later on.

First I did not say all of them are non Muslims. Second thing Allah told us whoever pray to some one else other than his mighty is a Mushrik and not Muslim, the same thing the disbelievers used to do at the time of the prophet prayers and peace be upon him. These are not my words they are the words of Allah.

Pls if you dont know, you better be silent because you could deceive some people. I know many reverts who were captured with these people and misguided them.

 

[YusufNoor]

Ahmadinejad is a good actor who did nothing except talking, just like Nasrallah and all of the Sheeies. Also add to that not every person who hate Israel is a good person. Russia and China for example, it is just politics things and thats why they are friends with Iran. Alhamdolilah Allah revealed them after Syria and I was just talking to a Lebaneese who told me how everybody hated them after their hypocrite stance.



This is not a prefer thing. The Iranian "clerics" are one of the callers on the gate of hell fires, no way to compare them unless you add beside them priests, Kidyanies and so on . For example al Kumaini Kafir. Any person who pray (dua) in the meaning of asking anybody other than Allah is a Mushrik even he prays and fast. The hypocrite at the time of the prophet prayers and peace be upon him used to pray but Allah said they are hypocrite in many ayat and ahadeeth.

i didn't know we were allowed to write that. i was being super uber polite.


It is also where you can practice your deen and everybody will be held accountable for not moving to a place where they can practice their deen, as it is mentioned clearly in the Quran.

i'm the one who wrote the other stuff. my point is kinda like this:

Muslims are oppressed everywhere! by Muslims, kafirs alike. where a brother may be able to practice, the sisters are oppressed.

when i see a non-straight path Muslim and kafirs do/say something stupid, I DON'T CARE! they are misguided, thus their thoughts, speech and action will be too. I EXPECT IT! (not to say that i don't care about those that they do things to)

when i see the rulers in OUR Holy Land assist in oppressing and murdering Muslims, i want to to totally go "ape", so to speak.

we are brothers, we can handle a little oppression, but to see our Sisters oppressed BY MUSLIMS is just maddening! WHY? we are supposed to know better! when did Sisters become property? when did it become vogue for Sisters to be NOT the most highly educated highly regarded people in the Ummah!

when we start treating our Sisters as they are supposed to be treated, THEN we will have the Mothers we need to help raise the children we need to stop being the proverbial "scum on the water."

rant over, have a nice day.

ma salaama

 

[facethetruth]

i'm the one who wrote the other stuff.

What other stuff??