Syria - Please Do What You Can Now to Halt this Rush to War

[MartyrX]

The whole thing is a mess and the only ones really losing are the refugees and the innocents who have already died. May Allah take care of them.

 

[جوري]

What would you like to see the west do here? Looking at it, it seems that anything the west did would be seen in a negative light, so what would you like to see happen?

butt out for a change, that's what I'd like to see happen!
but they're busy of course calling Jabhat an'nusra 'terrorists' and tightining in on them for Bashar the non-terrorist and hizbuallah the other non-terrorist.. when they kill it is for the good of mankind!

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

The FSA are split, most of them have allied to groups who are more seeking for a more islamic approach like the islamic front, they actually seized the SMC buildings at a border crossing between turkey and syria last week. The only FSA brigades are the ones fighting alongside the islamist groups or fighting against the islamists. Thats why the US has pulled out of syria since their stooge salim idriss isnt respected anymore. They are now creating new fronts to fight against the ones who want a islamic state. These fronts are led by warlords, criminals and by intelligence officers of the Assad regime.

Its a complicated situation.


Right now most children are dying because of freezing tempratures, i have seen pictures of babies litteraly frozen because they arent getting help. Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raijoon.

Most of the opposition groups in syria actually dont want the US to invade syria, the US will place their stooge anyway. Luckily syrians are sick of the SMC and their inaction.

The video is posted by someone who supports regime however the vid doesnt lie since it is posted by many islamist groups.

here is complete interview:

 

[observer]

butt out for a change, that's what I'd like to see happen!

I tend to agree, we should do nothing. But when the west does nothing, it gets accused of being complicit in atrocities. When it intervenes, it gets accused of causing atrocities. Why is there not more condemnation of muslim nations here? What is Qatar, Saudi, Kuwait doing to help? The west seems to get blamed a lot but "muslim" countries barely get mentioned.

 

[dcalling]

May God help the Syrian people. I still remember when I first saw the Arab spring in Syria, I was happy, and thinking another dictator will go. The situation has proven me wrong, and now I wish it never happened. So many people died for ... nothing?

And it has been so chaotic, Hezbollah fighting rebels alone side Assad, in my mind they fight against Israel and noting else. Initially Assad is the bad guy, then the rebels come in and started chopping heads and kidnaping nulls. The world (espically the rich Arab oil states) should step in, but not militarily, just setup a safe zone so all the refuges can flee there, let the factions due out and God will pick a winner (but let the people flee to the zone).

 

[جوري]

should step in

No one should step in and Bashar would be out in no time. The only reason he has lasted so long is because of all the mercenaries.
If Mercenaries don't want to lose their head perhaps they shouldn't stand on the side of a tyrant. War is a ***** like that and no one is gonna ride on it once they've liberated ashaam :ia: it is just a matter of time and unfortunately there will be casualties and will count them as martyrs.

P.S I didn't reply to the other guy simply because I find his posts sophomoric, undereducated and silly.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

^Indeed

I tend to agree, we should do nothing. But when the west does nothing, it gets accused of being complicit in atrocities. When it intervenes, it gets accused of causing atrocities. Why is there not more condemnation of muslim nations here? What is Qatar, Saudi, Kuwait doing to help? The west seems to get blamed a lot but "muslim" countries barely get mentioned.

We even dont want 'help' from the west as they're killing muslims in yemen, somalia, pakistan and afghanistan. If the west helps it will be for colonial purposes and for the security of the zionist state.

 

[~Zaria~]

December 15, 2013 - Aleppo, Syria

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May Allah (subhanawataála) bring this war to an end soon.
Ameen

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

Ameen. I have heard another story that the top airforce commander in damascus said that he wants to raise dumeir(Damascus suburb) from the ground (due to many opposition supporters there, not just fighters)

Other news, shaykh zahir mahmood went to syrian refugee camps and is holding a talk about it on the 31th of december.

http://www.as-suffa.org/item/syria.html

However, alot of dua, prayers are needed, and if able to: action, donate. I regret my previous stances on this conflict.

 

[dcalling]

If you read my message, you would have seen I meant step in for aid of the refugees, not weapons (In fact I said not militarily).
And it is not only the guys who are helping Assad are losing their heads, the rebels just beheaded one of their own by mistake.

And only God decides who wins, and who are martyrs.

No one should step in and Bashar would be out in no time. The only reason he has lasted so long is because of all the mercenaries.
If Mercenaries don't want to lose their head perhaps they shouldn't stand on the side of a tyrant. War is a ***** like that and no one is gonna ride on it once they've liberated ashaam :ia: it is just a matter of time and unfortunately there will be casualties and will count them as martyrs.

P.S I didn't reply to the other guy simply because I find his posts sophomoric, undereducated and silly.

 

[dcalling]

However, alot of dua, prayers are needed, and if able to action, donate. I regret my previous stances on this conflict.

Agreed, a lot of prayers are needed. Just wondering what was your previous stance on this? It seems all of you are against Assad (I WAS too, I still like the Kurds, the FSA, but those who chops heads really turned me off).
I think there were verses in Quran about Muslims not killing Muslims (I only heard of it, have not read the full Quran yet so I might be wrong). Is that considered a lesser surah that can be trumped or abrogated by other verses?

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

I dont like the beheadings too, but you have to understand that this is because of the enormous anger residing in the heart of the rebels because of Assad's torture, scorched earth tactics and killing of protestors.

I am certainly not pro-execution, infact i think the best way is to convince them that they are wrong, it works in yemen with ansar al shariah.

^

This how prophet muhammed(Saw) and the sahabah(Ra) took care of their captives, i assure you , there are very few people or groups who do this! Are these the acts of murderers, terrorists? Do terrorists provide electricity to their populations, set up courts, schools?

Subhan'Allah

Note for the moderation staff of IB: I didnt post this to promote this group, just to show a example of real life situation where prisoners get treated the same way as the sahabah(Ra) had done.

 

[dcalling]

Assad setup courts and schools as well, and the rebels torture and even more. Just read a story on Yahoo, rebel claims Assad fire bomb a neighbor that killed women/children, Assad claimed rebels killed 70 by roasting them in ovens..

Remind me a story in WWII, when Nazis invaded Russia, the Russians were happy because how ruthless Stalin was. Then they found the Nazis are even worse....

May God help the Syria refugees.

Another thought, since any moves by West is not welcome (I suggested humanitarian help and someone rejected), the near by Muslim countries should take it on. Setup safe zones where refugees can flee to. epically Saudis and Turkey, they are rich countries (and Iran, not rich but resourceful).

I hope the Muslim community can take up the pressure on those countries. Setup safe zones so people between the war zones can flee to, there is no need for civilian causalities.

I dont like the beheadings too, but you have to understand that this is because of the enormous anger residing in the heart of the rebels because of Assad's torture, scorched earth tactics and killing of protestors.
I am certainly not pro-execution, infact i think the best way is to convince them that they are wrong, it works in yemen with ansar al shariah

This how prophet muhammed(Saw) and the sahabah(Ra) took care of their captives, i assure you , there are very few people or groups who do this! Are these the acts of murderers, terrorists? Do terrorists provide electricity to their populations, set up courts, schools?
Subhan'Allah

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

The humantarian help should be accepted, there are however alot of independent organizations who are working on this. The world leaders, not so much and if they want to help it will be because of their own interests/influences. Understand the power play going on.

 

[~Zaria~]

Its important to realize that there are many rebel groups in Syria - whose ideologies, methods, support systems, etc differ from each other.
This makes it even more difficult to discern who is committing a particular defense, attack, atrocity, etc:



Understanding Syria’s rebel groups – Who’s who?

Azhar Vadi | Cii Analysis


Originally made up of citizen volunteers who took up arms against their government and called the Free Syrian Army (FSA), the anti-government military formations in Syria have mushroomed into several hundred groupings numbering a few dozen to over 10 000 fighters.

Many of these groups have common ideas and backgrounds while some are diametrically opposed to each other in every respect other than their opposition to the regime of Bashar Al Assad.

At times these groups may carry out joint operations only to attack each other in isolated incidents.

Several broad categories of fighting groups are identifiable and these have within themselves formed further, splits, coalitions and alliances.

1) SUPREME MILITARY COUNCIL (SMC) OF THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY

Lead by Brigadier General Salim Idris, the SMC has purported itself to be the military representative of the Syrian people and was formed in December 2012 when the various groups flying the flag of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) came together. The FSA was initially formed by military generals who had deserted the ranks of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA). The SMC initially had 30 members and seeks to create a new Syria based on mainly western democratic principles. The West has viewed the SMC as a moderate force that they would prefer to take control of the country if Bashar al Assad were to fall. However the SMC has not been able to unite the various groups on the ground in Syria, particularly those with a more Islamic reference. The SMC decision makers and its political leadership have been accused of not bearing the brunt of the violence in Syria as they are based in Turkey and other countries.


Groups aligned to the SMC include the Martyrs of Syria Brigades with approximately 7000 fighters and no particular religious ideology, the Brigade of the Northern Storm who are described as moderate Islamists and the Ahrar Souriya Brigade.

The Northern Storm Brigade, headed by former Syrian colonel, Abdul Jabbar Ogaidi, has recently clashed with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), an Al Qaeda offshoot with its own strict interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence.
The Northern Storm Brigade has however in September 2013 expressed support for the formation of Islamic Alliance that has denounced the SMC.

2. SYRIAN ISLAMIC LIBERATION FRONT (SILF)

The Syrian Islamic Liberation Front (SILF) is a loose alliance of various groups that have based their fight on an Islamic platform. They are largely made up of Syrian fighters filling the ranks of some 20 groups. Some of the groups, while being members of SILF, also hold positions on the SMC. They have however grown increasingly weary of Western interference in the SMC and attempts by the Americans to direct their revolt. In September 2013, key member groups of SILF joined a coalition that has publicly renounced the SMC and rejected its representation of the Syrian people.

Farouq Brigades

The Farouq Brigades are amongst the larger groups within the SILF. Originating from Homs, it has also fractured, with some of the leadership taking a more conservative Islamic approach while others have opted for a more moderate outlook. They however remain a powerful force particularly along the Syrian-Turkish border.

Suqour al-Sham and Liwa al Tawhid

Suqour al-Sham (Falcons of Syria) and Liwa al Tawhid have based their struggle squarely on Islamic principles and hold influence in Damascus and Aleppo. Liwa al Tawhid was called in recently to negotiate between the Northern Storm Brigade and ISIS when they clashed in Azaaz, north of Aleppo.

Liwa al Tawhid – BBC

Liwa al-Tawhid (Battalion of Monotheism) was formed in July 2012 to unite many separate fighting groups around Aleppo as the city joined the revolt against the government. Although they were originally part of the SMC, they have now joined the coalition of groups denouncing the SMC as a tool for western interference in Syrian affairs.

3. JAYSH AL-ISLAM

Jaysh al-Islam (Army of Islam) was formed by some 50 groups operating in and around Damascus in September 2013. Its most influential constituent is Liwa al Islam headed by Zahran Alloush. Jaysh al Islam seek to unify various groups and has the support of other key groups like the Liwa Fath al-Sham, Liwa Tawhid al-Islam and Liwa al-Ansar.

The united front was seen as a blow to the Western backed SMC.

The Army of Islam is located in the Damascus area, it but also includes brigades in Homs, Latakia, Deir Ezzor and Aleppo.

Liwa al-Islam as an individual group, was founded two years earlier by Zahran Alloush and has around 9000 fighters. It is the leading rebel group in the east of the Ghouta agricultural belt around Damascus.

4. SYRIAN ISLAMIC FRONT (SIF)

At the helm of the Syrian Islamic Front is the Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiyya (Ahrar al Sham). Along with it comes another 10 groups all espousing an Islamic ideology that is not comfortable by most western standards and has rattled the regime in its encounters on the battlefield.

The SIF takes its lead from Hassan Abboud of Ahrar al Sham and is said to have at least 30 000 fighters covering most of Syria. Some of the battalions that contribute to this enormous and disciplined fighting force include the al-Haqq Brigade, the Ansar al Sham Battalions from Idlib, the Jaysh al Tawhid from Deir al-Zour and the Hama based Mujahidi al Sham Brigade. SIF has never agreed to work under the auspices of the Supreme Military Council (SMC) and has a close relationship with the various other Islamic groupings operating in Syria.

At the height of the US threat to attack Syria in the chemical weapons debacle, the group issued a statement on its Facebook page stating that it rejected “Western military intervention in Syria and considered it a new aggression against Muslims”, saying that the intervention would only serve American interests and not the cause of those seeking to topple al-Assad.

5. GROUPS LABELED AS JIHADIST BY WESTERN MEDIA AND ANALYSTS

Nusra Front – Aljazeera

Jabhat un Nusra or Al-Nusra Front

Lead by Abu Mohammed al-Julani the group is believed to have anywhere between 5000 and 7000 fighters.

It is reported that this group has emerged from the belly of Iraq, staffed by fighters initially part of Al Qaeda in Iraq and the Islamic State of Iraq. The fighters are particularly well trained, disciplined and have been responsible or played key roles in some of the major victories against the regime.

The Nusra front was officially classified as a terrorist organisation by the US as of December 2012. They have worked well with other rebel groups including those regarded as moderate Islamists.

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant/Shaam (ISIS)

BBC

Lead by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ISIS, broke away from the Nusra Front in April 2013 and although the split has been rejected by Nusra, ISIS has taken part in several joint operations. Their ranks are mainly filled by foreign fighters who espouse their own very strict interpretation of Islam. ISIS has not been afraid to clash with rebel formations including the Northern Storm Brigade in Azaaz.


A senior leader of Ahrar al Shaam was also reportedly shot and died as a result of ISIS intercepting a humanitarian convoy said to be from Malaysia September 2013. Their efforts have however earned them respect as daring fighters and they have been key in carrying out human bombings that helped capture two military bases.

ISIS also has the support of the Jaysh al-Muhajirin wa al-Ansar headed by a Chechen, Abu Omar al-Shishani.

6. ISLAMIC ALLIANCE

On 24 September 2013, 13 groups issued a statement condemning the Western-backed Syrian National Coalition (SNC) who effectively are the political leadership of the Supreme Military Council (SMC).

The 13 included, Jabhat al-Nusra, Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiyya, Liwa al-Tawhid, Liwa al-Islam, Suquor al-Sham, Liwa al-Haq, Harakat Fajr al-Sham al-Islamiyya, Harakat al-Nour al-Islamiyya, Kataib Nour al-Din al-Zinki, Liwa al-Furqan, Liwa al-Ansar, Tajamu Fastaqm Kamr Umrat and Forqat al-Tisaa Ashr

They condemned the SNC as being “unrepresentative” of the Syrian people inside Syria and called explicitly for “an Islamic framework based on sharia (Islamic law).”

The Brigade of the Northern Storm did not sign but expressed support for the new formation.

The Islamic State in Iraq and Shaam (ISIS) did not sign and was not part of the pact.

The move to divorce the SNC from the armed groups effectively crippled the influence of the Syrian Military Council (SMC), the Americans closest ally. It has also weakened Saudi influence as they have been the major backers of the SNC thus far.

The SNC/SMC has been accused of not sharing the reality of the situation on the ground and of being a tool of the US to interfere in the Syrian affair.

The US has thus lost favour and now risks having any supplies it sends to Syria landing in the hands of groups categorically opposed to its ideals.

Three groups whose signatures initially appeared on the Islamic Coalition list have since been removed. Liwa al-Furqan and Liwa al-Haq have given support for the statement but have not signed it and Jabhat al Nusra said that while they condemned the SNC and its foreign-based leadership it was not part of the coalition.

7. INDEPENDENT GROUPS

Ahfad al-Rasoul Brigades

This alliance of groups has been accused of having links to Western intelligence agencies and Qatar and has clashed with ISIS in the town of Raqqa. Despite comprising of about 40 smaller groups, ISIS managed to kick them out.

Several other independent alliances and groups exists.

The Asala wa al-Tanmiya Front has a particular presence in Aleppo and in the tribal areas of the eastern province of Deir al-Zour.

The Durou al-Thawra Commission is linked to the SMC-linked and was set up in 2012 with the help of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood

The Yarmouk Martyrs’ Brigade operates close to Jordan and the Golan Heights.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

True,


SIF&SILF have already merged into the 'islamic front' group which contains another blow towards the western/israeli backed SMC. There are more than 1000 groups and you cant say which one is right which one is wrong, remember there are also alot of groups infiltrated.

 

[Karl]

Very messy, also the Russians believe the terrorist attacks there are a spin off of this Syrian civil war. They are eyeing up Saudi Arabia and Qatar as well as the Western intelligence meddlers. They said Russia should be more like the Americans in rooting out terrorism. If Saudi Arabia and Qatar are financing terrorist attacks in Russia this is an act of war and they would have the right to crush those terrorist funding regimes. They couldn't crush the West for it's involvement, that's in the too hard basket. Assad is backed by Russia as they have a military base there and a lot of Russians also live there. Israel wants Assad out so the Western stooges want Assad out. The Saudi's and Qatar and all those other little oil states are apostates and crawl on their bellies to the West want Assad out. The Russians will follow the money trail. A possible scenario is that this Syrian civil war is a set up for the Russians and USA to grab the oil states by luring Saudi Arabia and the other little oil states into funding terrorism. But this is unlikely because the USA wants it all and the power stalemate between the East and West is protecting the Middle East from conquest. This civil war could go on for ever as it is good for arms dealers, as the saying goes "money is the root of all evil".

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

I dont think the west wants Assad out at all, they're purposely enflaming this conflict so both sides keep fighting each other so that it will spread in lebanon and iraq and more people will be killed. See it as just like the iraq - iran war.

infact we see that the west is currently cooperating with iran and iraq's dictator to attack sunni tribes and a major insurgent group. Alliances have shifted and probably indeed russia will attack saudi-arabia sooner or later.


2014/1435 will be much worse.

 

[RedGuard]

1. Russia will not attack Saudi Arabia. At best they'll try to pull off assassination attempts against some Saudi jihadists or members of the house of Saud.

2. Israel does not want Assad out. The current draw (no side being able to win decisively) suits their interests just perfectly.

3. I agree that 2014-15 will be much worse. But if Muslims can't live without fighting each other, then is it any surprise that other political powers are trying to use this enmity for the sake of their own agendas?

 

[RedGuard]

Seems that the war in Iraq has reignited. ISIS has taken over Ramadi and Fallujah. In Falliujah they took over all arms storages, freeing more than 100 prisoners (prison guards fled without giving a fight)