I am sick of seeing these disgusting magazines right in front of my nose whenever I go to the supermarket. They say they aren't pornographic, but as far as I'm concerned if they're meant for arousing sexual desire then they are the same. Also, the women in them are all disgraceful *****s, just like in porn. What is your opinions of them? Is there anything I can do to try and get them off the shelves of my local supermarket? I thinks its disgusting that they are in plain site for kids to see. :raging:
'Lads mags' and the disgraceful women in them
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Join these guys maybe - http://nomorepage3.org/ - they seem to be making headway. Based around the Sun newspaper but they have broadened out. Write to your local MP to complain. There is already a pretty strong campaign to reclassify these mags.
I don't agree with your assessment of the women in them, I don't see that insults and being offensive is useful at all here.
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You can't do much about it aside from lowering your gaze and not looking at them, i doubt talking to the staff of the supermarket will help especially when it is from a big branch. We live in a non-muslim country bro, and i dont think they will change much of their policies according to what we want. Famous magazines are made by big companies/media and ofcourse they want profit. The easiest way is to sell them in a supermarket and yes their intent is to sexually arouse you and to make you buy it.
I'm not insulting them I am stating the facts. Those women serve themselves up as objects for men to masturbate over. As far as I am concerned that is no different to being a prostitute. The have no spiritual worth, and have a negative effect on society. They are worse than worthless.
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That's an outrageously judgmental comment, if you don't mind me saying so.
Who are you to assume you know who these women are and why they do what they do? Have you seen their lives and situations and troubles?
Do you know how many women are forced to resort to prostitution as a means for providing for their family?
Do you think they all do it "for the kicks"?? :heated:
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Late of 90's I saw a tabloid with cover a young woman wore bikini. Her initials is EA. Now I still see EA in magazines, but with different appearance. She wear hijab, and active as speaker in Muslimah events.
So, rather than judge those women as worse than worthless, it's better if we make du'a, wish Allah make them be better women in the future.
So, rather than judge those women as worse than worthless, it's better if we make du'a, wish Allah make them be better women in the future.
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it would help if the OP started off by making a few dozen posts in other "regular" threads so we can get to know him a little better. But starting off like this, in your first few posts is gonna get the wrong reactions out of members here.
You know, just because this is a forum, we should not forget there are real people sitting behind screens. Everyone has walked separate paths - we all come from all walks of life, and we all have a chance to make right. Even those women in the magazines, even prostitutes... as for prostitution, since the OP bought this up, I'd like for him to get educated on the subject before he starts a rant here again.
Now I miss bro Pyrrhic, bigtime... anyway, he made this series, I believe he had you in mind when he did:
series playlist:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL34F8A3C93CF9133E <playlist
part 5:
it's not as clear as black and white brother, this series shows you that the prostitute is always the victim - rarely is she the victor. They do not choose to do this, they end up "there" because they had no choices left for them. There are many levels of desperation in this world, and many dark avenues which present themselves as the only option available, and to someone who doesn't know any better - what choice is left?
If you really want to help, then stop the accusations, and the chauvinistic attitude - and get real about it.
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You know, just because this is a forum, we should not forget there are real people sitting behind screens. Everyone has walked separate paths - we all come from all walks of life, and we all have a chance to make right. Even those women in the magazines, even prostitutes... as for prostitution, since the OP bought this up, I'd like for him to get educated on the subject before he starts a rant here again.
Now I miss bro Pyrrhic, bigtime... anyway, he made this series, I believe he had you in mind when he did:
series playlist:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL34F8A3C93CF9133E <playlist
part 5:
it's not as clear as black and white brother, this series shows you that the prostitute is always the victim - rarely is she the victor. They do not choose to do this, they end up "there" because they had no choices left for them. There are many levels of desperation in this world, and many dark avenues which present themselves as the only option available, and to someone who doesn't know any better - what choice is left?
If you really want to help, then stop the accusations, and the chauvinistic attitude - and get real about it.
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True, you're right I shouldn't have compared them to prostitutes. Prostitutes, as you say, may have been forced into the work. These models are worse than that. They actually desire to do what they do and enjoy it. How can you defend them? They are completely haram. As for adianto's response: that maybe so, but its extremely unlikely that any of these women will go on to find Alllah. Most of them will go straight into the blazing fire.
If it was your daughter modelling for these magazines, would you really still consider her your daughter? I would not let one of these women step foot in my house, and if a sister or daughter became one I would never speak to them again.
If you believe that the models in lads magazines are 'victims' who did not choose their profession you are extremely out of touch. These women may have worked hard to get where they are. They are not comparable to women in pornography or prostitution in that sense. They want men to ogle them and they enjoy it and make a lot of money out of it. Some of them even achieve fame and go on to be on TV or films.
Qu'ran 4:34 "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
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Yes, I agree that on the whole the two are quite different.
How do you know what drives women into such professions? How many do you know? Do you know any?
Its like saying "all Muslims are terrorists" and "all Jews are Zionists" and "all men are sexual predators" and "all Americans are anti-Islam".
Stereotypes like that never help and actually prevent us from getting to know each other and understand each other better.
That's sad.
If my daughter became a stripper or a model, I would be very upset and worried about her. But I cannot think of anything my children could do that would stop me looking at them as my children and loving them.
Sometimes I think what this world needs a bit more of is COMPASSION.
As for these magazines, I don't think you are responsible for what these women do. You are responsible for your own actions only.
Look away, walk away, do whatever you have to do.
But it might help to think about those women as fellow human beings rather than subhumans. They are somebody's daughter, mother, sister, friend ...
How do I know? I don't. But I can be pretty certain. Women don't get forced into being in lads mags, they are mainstream. They aren't easy to get into. Its not like anyone decides to be in one because they have no other option. The women in them have aspired to be in them. Many women do. Look at Jordan... do you think she didn't want to be in those magazines, posing as Allah himself designed her and with nothing to conceal his sacred design, for men to simply leer at? Look up an interview with one of these women. I can't post links yet but I just found a video interview now with some girl named 'Rosie Jones'. Look her up on youtube, she's the only one I could find who does an interview where she is clothed. Do you think she seems like a respectable, modest girl? She clearly is happy with herself and her disgraceful choices.
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True.jedi_mindset said:
Sensible.observer said:
I'm making 70 excuses for why you just said you're looking up interviews with models on YouTube.
Because I wanted to prove people wrong and show that these women are very happy about the lives they live. It didn't take me long to find an interview. This was the first one that came up: /watch?v=hlNne1RTv4o (put it at the end of youtube.com).
Does she really seem like she's been forced into being a model? Does she seem ashamed with herself? No, she seems perfectly happy and content. I very much doubt she will stop what she's doing or ever feel regret about it. She is a disgraceful person.
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I'd say it's a symptom of the larger problem of the sexualisation of women in the Western world.
A symptom of a larger problem? It's not a symptom, it is part of the problem. If there weren't women who aspired to be nothing more than masturbation material for perverts, then there would not be such a problem. You would just be left with the women who went into business out of necessity.
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salaam
I don't believe the women that do this type of work do it by choice - Its the social and economic environment that usually pushes women to pursue that line of work. You should not judge people so harshly.
peace.
I don't believe the women that do this type of work do it by choice - Its the social and economic environment that usually pushes women to pursue that line of work. You should not judge people so harshly.
peace.
Are my feelings in the wrong?
I posted in the 'general' forum about my dislike of 'lads mags' and my disdain for the women in them. I think what they do is disgusting and I think they are disgusting people who could not be much more haram. But I have received many responses that support these women and say that that I am wrong for feeling this way. Am I?
I can understand that in pornographic magazines the women in them may have gone into them because of necessity, for desperate need of money or whatever, but the women in the likes of Nuts and FHM are usually in them because they aspired to be and worked hard to be. What's worse is they often seem happy about themselves and what they do, despite the fact they do nothing more than exploit their bodies for men to leer at and masturbate over.
So I am looking for advice. Am I wrong to see these women with disdain? There are many passages in the Quran and Hadith that would suggest these women are evil and should be punished.
I posted in the 'general' forum about my dislike of 'lads mags' and my disdain for the women in them. I think what they do is disgusting and I think they are disgusting people who could not be much more haram. But I have received many responses that support these women and say that that I am wrong for feeling this way. Am I?
I can understand that in pornographic magazines the women in them may have gone into them because of necessity, for desperate need of money or whatever, but the women in the likes of Nuts and FHM are usually in them because they aspired to be and worked hard to be. What's worse is they often seem happy about themselves and what they do, despite the fact they do nothing more than exploit their bodies for men to leer at and masturbate over.
So I am looking for advice. Am I wrong to see these women with disdain? There are many passages in the Quran and Hadith that would suggest these women are evil and should be punished.
You know, probably not everybody in any society is going to have exactly the same mindset as you. Can you not live and let live? I don't agree with people dedicating themselves to religion but you know what - if they're happy, who am I to argue? They're not hurting me.
Now, reclassifying lads' mags as pornography I think is a fair point. At the moment the material is available to be seen by minors.
But if someone chooses to work in pornography (an adult industry) then so what? Do I like it? No. Would I want my daughter doing it? No. But hey, who are you to judge?
Because this site is a great resource for people to learn. I joined the site because I started to work with a lot of muslim students and wanted to know a bit more about where they were coming from. This site helped me do that. I don't work with muslims anymore, but it's still a really interesting to site with a lot of interesting discussions that makes me think about things in a different way.
Search for this site on Google and the introduction says "Islamic Forum for the Muslim and non-Muslim community."
If it were muslim only, I wouldn't post.