Is it wrong to hate Adam and Eve?

[Omar12345]

It's wrong to hat anybody


Peace

 

[BeTheChange]

Why hate Adam and Eve?

If you are going to use your emotional energy hating someone - hate the devil.

Pointless topic. Your in this world. It's a test. Deal with it.

Just being direct and honest here. No harsh feelings. Noone can change the situation. Noone can change the past so why discuss it? Focus on present and furture. Concentrate on building your emaan.

That's my advice.

 

[greenhill]

One of the things I have learnt here in this forum recently was something a new member said (if I am not mistaken, a new convert/revert, too) about a Jeffrey Lang talk on the Purpose of Life on youtube.

His 'peeling' of the layers in the surah Al Baqarah verse 30 to 38 or something like that talks about the creation of Adam. What he goes on to say and explain really hits home to me and solidified my belief in the deen even more. How it all cosmically makes sense. And what he concludes in terms of the 'real' message is somehow reiterated as I read the tafsir of the Qur'an.

Anyway, the youtube video will definitely answer the question of this thread (imho) and perhaps even clear the head of the uncertainties how to 'get close' to Allah.

I am so glad I watched that video.


eace:

 

[Karl]

Adam and Eve is just a story. You can't take it literally. It is mainly to explain not to be tempted by evil as it will ruin your life. But the difficult part is knowing if the tempter is evil or not, as evil reassures you that it will be good for you and so does the good.

 

[greenhill]

Adam and Eve is just a story. You can't take it literally. It is mainly to explain not to be tempted by evil as it will ruin your life.

That is it! I don't believe it is just a story and it is definitely not just about temptation of evil where most people have misunderstood. It is about human being's making their choice (their first ever based on their 'rational' thinking)....and it was against Allah's explicit command, they realised it and asked for forgiveness.

There are plenty of surahs in the Qur'an to tell us of good and bad without the need for the Adam and Eve story for this explicit purpose.


eace:

 

[InToTheRain]

1) There is no reason to blame Adam(AS) for us being on earth nor can he be blamed because Allah Most High already decreed this before the complete creation of Adam(AS). As Allah Almighty states in the Qur'an:

"And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: Wilt thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not.(al-Baqarah 2:30)"

So even if the forbidden fruit were left alone we still would've ended up on earth.

2) It's futile to have hatred for matters that already been decided and over which you have no control. Better to reconcile those feelings before you get devoured in them. What point is there in brooding over them?

3) iblis/shaytan misguided Adam(AS). iblis had many things but he didn't have love for Allah Azza Wa Jal; he had
a) `Aql (intellect),
b) `Ilm (knowledge), and
c) `Irfan (awareness of Allah Most High)for even when being thrown out by Allah, Most High, he was sufficiently aware that anger does not overcome Allah and that He answers those who call upon Him and thus asked for respite until the Day of Judgement.

I also heard there was no place left from where iblis hadn't prostrated to Allah and so he asked for respite using the good he had done before; such was his hatred for Adam(AS) and his progeny. And as stated by others in the post he led Adam(AS) astray. If you should hate anyone then hate iblis for wispering into the heart of Adam(AS) and exploiting his innocence. Even Allah Most High tells us Adam(AS) was led astray by iblis:

"So he (Satan) misled them with deception." (Ch 7:22) Allah said: "Thus did Adam disobey his Lord so he went astray." (Ch 20:121)

[PIE]
Then Satan whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts before, he said:" Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals." Satan swore by Allah to them both saying: "Verily I am one of the sincere well wishers for you both."

He started to whisper to him day after day, coaxing him: "Shall I guide you to thTree of Immortality and the Eternal Kingdom?" He said to them: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals." He (Satan) swore by Allah to them both saying: "Verily I am one of the sincere well wishers for you both." (Ch 7:20-21)

Adam asked himself: "What will happen if I eat from this tree? It might truly be the Tree of Immortality." His dream was to live forever in the pure innocence of Paradise."
Years went by, and Adam and Eve were preoccupied with thoughts of that tree. Then one day they decided to eat of its fruit. They forgot that Allah had warned them not to approach it and that Iblis was their sworn enemy. Adam stretched out his hand, picked one of the fruits and offered it to Eve. They both ate of the forbidden tree.

Allah the Almighty addressed him: "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily Satan is an open enemy unto you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have
wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers."(7:22-).[/PIE]

What wonderful words of Adam(AS)! He doesn't seek to blame others lnor does he claim that he wronged Allah Most High but rather says that he has wronged himself by disobeying Allah Most High!

shaytan is an open enemy to us as Allah, Most High, Himself states this in the verses above and know that shaytan continues to whisper into the hearts of mankind so that we be are led astray. This is is sole objective.

4) Adam(AS) was exemplary in showing the greatness of men for he was immediately repentant. Contrast this with iblis the accursed who made pathetic excuses for his shameless disobedience towards his Creator; claiming he is better for he is made out of fire when he failed to prostrate to Adam(AS). iblis new very well what made Adam(AS) special was not the material used to make him but rather the the way in which he was made for Allah Most High says He created Adam (AS) with His Own Hands and Spirit denoting how much Allah, Most High, honored Adam(AS) (Not that Allah Most High use 2 hands to create something like we do or breathed in a part of him into Adam(AS); Allah Most High is far from being similiar in any way to His creation)


From the clay Allah created Adam. he molded his form with His own hands and blew His spirit into him. Adam's body quivered as life was imbued into it. Verily His Command, when He intends a thing is only that He says to it, "BE!" and it is! (Ch 37:82 Quran).

Allah the Almighty declared: Verily the likeness of Jesus, in Allah's Sight is the likeness of Adam, He created him from the dust then He said to him. "Be!" --and he was. (Ch 3:59 Quran)


5) We can't imagine the excruciating pain Adam(AS) felt after having been exiled right after being acquainted with Allah Most High and being accustomed to greater abodes with the Angels. How home sick he must have been; the greatest form of homesickness! The duration of this exile was at least 1000 years which ended after his death. The Stature of men were far greater and the duration for which they lived were far longer before:


"Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. When He created him, He said to him, "Go and greet that group of angels, and listen to their reply, for it will be your greeting (salutation) and the greeting (salutations of your offspring." So, Adam said (to the angels),
As-Salamu Alaikum (i.e. Peace be upon you). The angels said, "As-salamu Alaika wa Rahmatu-l-lahi" (i.e. Peace and Allah's Mercy be upon you). Thus the angels added to Adam's salutation the expression, 'Wa Rahmatu-l-lahi,' Any person who will enter Paradise will resemble Adam (in appearance and figure). People have been decreasing in stature since Adam's creation.
(Sahih Al Bukahri 4:55:543)

How he wept!
Abdul Rahman Ibn Amru AL Awza iy said that Adam spent 100 years in Paradise. In another narration it was said he spent 60 years. Ibn Asaker reported that Adam wept for 60 years for his loss of Paradise and 70 years for his mistake, and he wept for another 70 years when his son was killed.

6) The Prophets are Sinless; see post #34 on this thread.: http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...uh-character-influence-his-prophethood-3.html

7) Remember Adam(AS) for one of the greatest act ever performed by men, tawba/repentance.

Surely Allah loves those who turn much (to Him), and He loves those who purify themselves.
—Quran , Sura 02 (Al-Baqara), ayah 222[5]

Anas ibn Malik narrates: Allah's Apostle said, "Allah is more pleased with the repentance of His slave than anyone of you is pleased with finding his camel which he had lost in the desert."
—Sahih al-Bukhari, 8:75:321

Conditions of a Sincere Repentance:
-The conditions for repentance are well known:
-Leaving the sin;
-Remorse over having committed the sin;
-Resolve never to return to the sin;
(If it relates to the rights of another person, then to) Return the rights or property one wrongly took. [al-Bariqa fi Sharh al-Tariqa; Riyad al-Salihin]


8)This life is a wonderful opportunity and one too short to waste brooding over the decree. Ali(RA) once said "this life is but a dream from which you awake after death"; he was trying to make a parable that the eternal life which comes after this one will make this life appear as if it was a dream. It's actually less then that. Even in the next life there will come a time where we completely forget this life paying no importance to it like one forgets a dream or a nightmare. The Believer pleasure of the believer is the Pleasure of Allah Almighty. Here is an example from the story of a Sahabah of how much one should love Allah Most High:
http://storiesofthesahabah.tumblr.com/post/36456955470/abdullahra

 

[MustafaMc]

Adam and Eve is just a story. You can't take it literally.

I agree with Brother greenhill in disagreeing with this statement.

 

[MustafaMc]

From Jami' At-Tirmidhi, Book of Al-Qadar, Hadith #2134:

Abu Hurairah narrated that the Prophet(S.A.W) said:
"Adam and Musa argued, Musa said: "O Adam! You are the one that Allah created with His Hand, and blew into you of His Spirit, and you misled the people and caused them to be expelled from Paradise.' So Adam said: 'You are Musa, the one Allah selected with His Speech! Are you blaming me for something I did which Allah had decreed for me, before creating the heavens and the earth?'" He said: " So Adam confuted Musa." (Sahih)

As also posted by Brothers Muhammad and Sur, this hadith is what came to my mind upon reading the opening post.

 

[Karl]

I agree with Brother greenhill in disagreeing with this statement.

You are a scientist. If Adam and Eve are the mother and father of everybody then why are there so many different genetic differences in different people? Why is incest a sin if we are all from incest?

God and Gods are universal but the Adam and Eve story was restricted to a very small area. It is a Bible story, a myth or legend. Allah made all life from "Adam" meaning earth. The black clay or carbon as the Greeks would call it. All life on this planet is carbon based. The ancients believed that everything on this world was made from the four elements of earth, fire, water and air. Life has the fifth element, a soul. Scientifically speaking this is very crude and simplistic but it is a beginning to understanding.

 

[Scimitar]

yes its wrong to hate Adam and Eve, most people just assume that they got thrown out of heaven because they ate from the tree. That's absolutely wrong.

The truth, to anyone who actually contemplates the account, quickly realises that Adam and Eve were destined to be sent to earth in order to populate it and the angels during the creation of Adam were aware of this, so was Iblees.

Allah the Almighty revealed:
"Remember when your Lord said to the angels: 'Verily, I am going to place
mankind generations after generations on earth.' They said: 'Will You place
therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood, while we glorify
You with praises and thanks (exalted be You above all that they associate with
You as partners) and sanctify You.' Allah said: 'I know that which you do not
know.'

So, it would be wrong to hate predestiny. Adam and Eve were predestined to live and die on earth, further - to populate it, of which, you were/are also part of a plan.

Cool isn't it? Why the hate?

Scimi

 

[Muhammad]

brother Karl,

Describing the story of Adam and Hawwa as being merely a myth is denying explicit verses of the Qur'an, hadeeth, and the consensus of Muslim scholars. Please read the following article which gives many evidences that Allaah

created Adam

directly and explains how there is a methodology in understanding the divine texts: http://www.islam21c.com/theology/2127-the-prophet-adam-and-human-evolution/

Another key principle that must be established when dealing with scripture is the inter-contextualisation of the entire divine text – in order to correctly interpret the Qur’an and ahadith we must approach them, not as solitary verses, but as one coherent and homogeneous unit that affords a holistic interpretation, and not an interpretation based on preconceived ideas that singles out isolated verses so as to misconstrue them. Indeed, to approach the divine scriptures having already decided the matter is an insincere attempt to justify one’s belief, and to approach them enquiring into what Allah has ordained, in an open an unbiased way, is to demonstrate the sincere intention to receive guidance.

The Qur’an clearly states that Adam was created by Allah, and with His own hands, “He said, ‘Iblis, what prevented you prostrating to what I created with My own two hands?”[SUP][4][/SUP] In addition, the famous Companion, Abdullah ibn Umar, said, “Allah created four things with His hand: the Throne, the Pen, the Garden of Eden and Adam. To the rest of His creation He said, ‘Be!’ and it was.”[SUP][5][/SUP] This narration clearly shows that the Companions believed that these four things, Adam included, were created in a way different to other animals and creatures. The authenticated ahadith furnish us with further examples that leave no doubt whatsoever that this was an actual act performed by Allah. For example, the Messenger of Allah said that on the Last Day, mankind would go from Prophet to Prophet requesting intercession; they would go to Adam and say, “You are the father of mankind, Allah created you with His hands, had the angels prostrate to you, and taught you the names of all things.”[SUP][6][/SUP] If Adam was created from a ‘despised drop’ and like all other human beings, then what is the point of singling him out as being created by Allah’s hands?

The Qur’an informs us that Allah “taught Adam the names of all things”[SUP][8][/SUP] and so, we resolutely know that Allah engaged Adam directly. Allah also says,

“O mankind! Be mindful of your Lord who created you from a single soul and created its mate from it and then disseminated many men and women from the two of them.”[SUP][9][/SUP]

“It is He who created you from a single soul and made from him his spouse so that he might find repose in her.”[SUP][10][/SUP]

“O mankind! We created you from a male and female, and made you into peoples and tribes so that you might come to know each other.”[SUP][11][/SUP]​

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There are countless texts that can be analysed, but to do so would make this article voluminous. However, even light analysis of the Qur’an and Sunnah makes it exceedingly evident that such heretical beliefs have no place within Islamic thought – the Companions and early Muslims all understood the manner in which Adam was created by Allah and it is preposterous to claim that Allah revealed scripture that was misunderstood by all of the aforementioned, yet the Most High did not rectify their misreading!

Is the creation of Adam a scientific or religious matter?

In reality, there is no disparity between religious creed and science, and if there seems to be so, it inevitably implies that there has been some form of misunderstanding, either in terms of our religious or scientific knowledge. However, a decisive part of being Muslim is to acknowledge that the information related by way of the Qur’an and Sunnah entails certainty, whereas any other knowledge that we acquire is prone to human error. Thus, if the scriptures posit anything related to science and the overwhelming majority of scholars affirm its meaning, then we have to believe in it accordingly as such knowledge is fact-based and not merely human perception. The Qur’an and Sunnah address various disciplines such as science, history, geography, anthropology, politics and others. Whatever is mentioned there should be adopted as an aspect of our faith, “they say: we believe in it, all of it is from our Lord.”[SUP][15][/SUP] Failing to do so suggests either one’s negation of more than half of the Qur’an, or accepting a text which is essentially devoid of meaning as it ends up meaning anything we desire it to, and this is how many of the obdurate fall into disbelief. For example, it has been repeatedly argued that the Qur’an is not a book of history, and so, the heretics argue that we are not obligated to believe historical details which Allah has revealed. Of course, the Qur’an is not a book of many things, but that is not to suggest that various topics are touched upon. Indeed, Allah says,

“There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, and then to their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.”[SUP][16] [/SUP]​

 

[MustafaMc]

If Adam and Eve are the mother and father of everybody then why are there so many different genetic differences in different people?

I do not know the details for how the genetic variation among humans came about. For one thing we know that Allah (swt) is the author of the genetic code and we can assume that Allah (swt) built in the means for variation and differences among individuals, else we would all be clones to look, think and act exactly the same. There are many different genes and for each gene there are multiple alleles that each confer a slightly different effect. It would make sense that Adam would be heterozygous (2 different alleles). I am not sure for how Eve was created, but perhaps she was heterozygous for all genes, but with a different set of alleles for each gene. If this had been the case then there would be 4 alleles for each gene between Adam and Eve.

Over time genetic changes come about through mutations, but interestingly nearly almost mutations are deleterious. Fortunately, these mutation are also recessive - meaning they are not expressed in heterozygous condition. Also, fortunately, mutations are quite rare - except among relatives of individuals who are carriers of the gene. Matings among closely related people have a much greater chance of giving rise to offspring who have genetic birth defects than matings among unrelated people. Allah (swt) knows best, but these are some thoughts from a scientific perspective.

 

[Karl]

If the Adam and Eve story is absolute fact, I can only believe that either a) the definition of "mankind" refers to a very small regional group in the Holy Lands or b) there were many Adams and Eves around the world to insure huge physical differences among the vast number of races.

 

[syed_z]

The only thing that comes to my mind is this tradition of the Prophet (saw) that explains why mankind is divided in to different types and races...

Sayyidina Abu Musa al-Ash’ari (RA) reported that Allah’s Messenger (SAW) said, “Indeed, Allah created Adam (AS) from a fistful (of dust) which he took from all over the earth. Thus, there are among them (children of Adam), the red (coloured), the white, the black and those between these (colours) and the mild and the rugged, and the evil and the good.”


The different races or different physical features and colours I believe have stemmed really from the descendants of Noah (a.s) and not from the direct descendants of Adam (a.s)...Allah (swt) knows best.