We are sorry

[aamirsaab]

Salaam

Why haven't you done something about people Talking about 'Isa'(Jesues) in a bad way, this is a question I should be asking my self and the rest of the muslims on this fourm.

Perhaps if we were told of the specific "flaming" of prophet Isa.

 

[Ken Nielsen]

Salaam

Why haven't you done something about people Talking about 'Isa'(Jesues) in a bad way, this is a question I should be asking my self and the rest of the muslims on this fourm.

What do suggest that I do?

 

[Curious girl2]

Hi all,

I've been following this thread with interest. The overall impression I am getting from certain members is that Muslims, as a whole, are not responsible for the recent violent protests regarding those cartoons. Well I agree, totally, it is only certain individuals, who are giving Islam a bad name by protesting, violently, in the name of Islam.

However, another impression I am getting is one that I feel I must respond to. The impression I am getting is that certain members are of the opinion that the *west* as a whole, is responsible, is a bad thing, is an evil thing that must be avoided at all costs and that the west, being non muslim, is something that can never be on the same level morally as followers of Islam.

I find this quite astonishing that on one hand the posters can dismiss the violent protesters as not being representative of Islam as whole (which by the way I agree with) but on the other condemns the west as a whole as evil and filthy. How can this be?

Islam is not one person, neither is western society. There are very many people out there who proclaim to be muslims and to live a pious life who in reality do much damage to the reputation of Islam by their day to day actions. I see it every day in the community I live in. Young men, from muslim backgrounds, dating and having relationships in the same way that non muslims do. Drinking, behaving violently, taking drugs, its not just westerners you know, the guy who dressed up as a suicide bomber in the London protests was a convicted drug dealer who was out from prison on licence. I do wonder what the prophet (pbuh) would have made of that individual. These are the people that are, sadly, representing Islam. However I KNOW that is not a true representation of Islam. Islam is a religion of peace, however I know that because I have taken it onto myself to remain open minded and to learn.

Its the same with Jews too. Some of them are responsible for the atrocities in Palestine, and other repressions too. But not the Israeli nation as a whole.

The west isnt perfect either, it never will be. However please do not beleive that every non muslim in the west is a *dirty, filthy, kuffar*. That isnt the case. There are many people, by far the majority in fact, who are decent people. Some of them are religious, some of them are not. So please, I ask you, as a western-ex-christian-soon-to-be-muslim-revert, be open minded. There is good in every society if you look for it.

Curious Girl

 

[Ghazi]

What do suggest that I do?

Salaam

Made your voiced here, got together with church leaders ect, The really should be a law against this type of hate.

 

[Curious girl2]

so! bros! i'm proposing that we hav PEACE CAMPAIGN or sumtin to promote islam to the world... hence we r tellin them that we r a peaceful religion!!![/QUOTE]



Couldnt agree more.

Curious Girl

 

[Halima]

so! bros! i'm proposing that we hav PEACE CAMPAIGN or sumtin to promote islam to the world... hence we r tellin them that we r a peaceful religion!!!

There is a campaign section here if anyone would like to protest..or something


http://www.islamicboard.com/campaigns/

 

[Ken Nielsen]

Perhaps if we were told of the specific "flaming" of prophet Isa.

Is is as I mentioned above. The name of Jesus is used as a substitute word for a swear word, as in cursing. This happens often with people who are unthinking, so much so that it becomes a habit. I am more aware of it than most who do not have any faith. I hear 'Oh God' on television used as a way of exclaiming 'wow, I'm impressed' but even that is like an unthinking and improper way of using the name of one that is owed the deepest respect.

I excuse people as I cannot speak to all in passing during a day, but if I am near someone and I can confide in them in a personal way, and not to call attention to them or embarrass them in front of others, I will let them know that what they have just said hurts me and it is defaming the name of one that I love.

This should make them think, and maybe stop speaking without thinking.


Ken

 

[aamirsaab]

Is is as I mentioned above. The name of Jesus is used as a substitute word for a swear word, as in cursing. This happens often with people who are unthinking, so much so that it becomes a habit. I am more aware of it than most who do not have any faith. I hear 'Oh God' on television used as a way of exclaiming 'wow, I'm impressed' but even that is like an unthinking and improper way of using the name of one that is owed the deepest respect.

I excuse people as I cannot speak to all in passing during a day, but if I am near someone and I can confide in them in a personal way, and not to call attention to them or embarrass them in front of others, I will let them know that what they have just said hurts me and it is defaming the name of one that I love.

This should make them think, and maybe stop speaking without thinking.


Ken

I know what your saying but unfortunately, the world we live in is dominated by the ignorant

 

[Ken Nielsen]

Salaam

Made your voiced here, got together with church leaders ect, The really should be a law against this type of hate.

This is off topic from the original subject so I will answer briefly and get back to the original thread topic. There is a law already against this type of hate. It is called the third commandment and it is the law of God. It is readily apparent to me that just because there is a law against something doesn't mean that people will not still go ahead and break that law.

What puts power behind the law is judgement and penalty. These people also do not realize that there will be this too as a result of their disrespect.

Back to the original topic.

Oh, I am Danish too.


Ken Nielsen

 

[Ken Nielsen]

so! bros! i'm proposing that we hav PEACE CAMPAIGN or sumtin to promote islam to the world... hence we r tellin them that we r a peaceful religion!!!



Couldnt agree more.

Curious Girl

I think all people would have to do is come here and see what is being posted. I'm more impressed by the people here, and I know it is posting from real Muslim believers. Much respect for you all,


Ken

 

[Ken Nielsen]

I know what your saying but unfortunately, the world we live in is dominated by the ignorant

Well, doesn't this say something for the sad shape of the world today? Those who want to live in peace, and enjoy the higher purpose of our lives, yet we are swept along by the viciousness of the ignorant who dominate the world?

I think that is the root of the problem right there.


Ken

 

[Wahid]

Please, get your facts straight. They've been producing opium at least since 1980s. The production was peaking under the Taliban rule. And the people are almost all muslims so I don't think it's too wrong to say it's a muslim country.

hahahhahahhahahha
the opium trade was peaking during taliban times?? u got it 100% back ward, the opium trade was reduced next to nothing in taliban years and only picked up hugly after the americans occupied it
dont cliam you know something when you dont
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http://opioids.com/afghanistan/opium-economy.html


Opium production spreading in Afghanistan
First-time growers lured by high prices
amid weak oversight, economy




by
Robyn Dixon
KABUL, Afghanistan - Mohammad Ashrafy waited for the death of the family figurehead, a respected mullah, before he finally planted opium poppies this year for the first time.

And sometimes, when he gazed out over the huge stretch of poppies he grew in the Ghor province of central Afghanistan this spring and summer, he felt guilty, recalling the admonishments of his late uncle, Mullah Mortaza Kahn.

"We know growing opium is against Islam, but we have to do it," said Ashrafy, 38. "I was the only person left here not growing it, and there was no mullah telling me to stop."

The United Nations estimates that half of Ghor's farmers don't earn enough to cover basic needs. So exhortations to plant alternatives seem doomed when a grower can make about $5,200 from an acre of opium but $121 from an acre of wheat.

Ashrafy and his brother support 35 relatives, including the widows and children of two other brothers killed in the country's long wars.

Last year, Ashrafy grew wheat, but it provided only half of what the family needed. "If I don't grow [opium]," he said, "I'm sure we'll die because we cannot grow enough wheat for ourselves."

So he prays to make peace with Allah.

Throughout Afghanistan, thousands who never grew opium began harvesting their crops in May, taught by experienced poppy farmers who have been traveling to new areas to share their skills.

Afghanistan regained its position as the largest opium country last year, producing 3,750 tons, and this year, production is expected to be as high, according to the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime. Seventy-five percent of the world's heroin, obtained from opium poppies, comes from Afghanistan.

At a congressional hearing in Washington in June, Bernard Farhi, chief of the operations branch of the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime, said opium brought Afghanistan $1.2 billion last year - equal to the international aid to Afghanistan in that period. In a recent report, the International Monetary Fund said opium accounted for up to half of Afghanistan's gross domestic product, amounting to $2.5 billion in exports.

Early in the era of the Taliban, the radical Islamic regime that allowed the al-Qaida terror network to flourish in Afghanistan, opium cultivation was permitted. But in July 2000, more than a year before the United States knocked it out of power, the Taliban banned the crop and introduced the death penalty for opium crimes, leading to a sharp decline in production.

Now, the regions outside Kabul are under the control of warlords, many of whom benefit from the trade. Last year's production was nine times higher than during the final year of Taliban rule.

Without a national police force or army, President Hamid Karzai's interim government cannot enforce its poppy ban, leaving drug-eradication workers exposed to retaliation. In June, seven of them were mobbed and killed by enraged poppy farmers in Oruzgan province, 250 miles southwest of Kabul, where authorities were making a major effort to reduce the poppy crops.

Security in Afghanistan has deteriorated sharply in recent months with an increase in attacks by anti-government militants. Many argue that without better security in the provinces, efforts to control poppy-growing will fail.

"The fact of the matter is you can't stop opium production when the warlords control the regions and when we don't expand security beyond Kabul," Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., a Delaware Democrat, said at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee on drugs and terrorism in May. "It was a power vacuum created by warlords and drug-traffickers that enabled the Taliban and al-Qaida to turn Afghanistan into an international swamp. ... And now we're back in the same situation again."

Even before the death of his uncle, who had not been involved with the Taliban, Ashrafy learned to harvest poppies by helping with his neighbor's poppy harvest last year.

Ashrafy and his surviving brother are large landowners. In the past four years of devastating drought, many smaller farmers went into debt. This year, many of them were given loans and seeds by drug traders, to be repaid upon harvest.

The political fate of the governor of Ghor province, Ebrahim Malakzada, is a telling example of what can happen to those who try to stop farmers from growing poppies.

"This year, the only person who said not to grow opium was the governor," said Ashrafy, the Ghor poppy farmer. "He met with the elders and told them not to let people grow poppies. Then a commander chased him out, and he had to flee."

The deputy governor, Mulladin Mohammad Azimy, seized the official governor's residence, and Malakzada, an ally of Karzai's, was forced to live in Kabul for a time.

An expert on the international drug trade, Rensselaer Lee, told the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing that the control of drugs has taken a back seat to fighting terrorism, building consensus and strengthening alliances.

"To build these alliances, unfortunately, we've had to make some arrangements, compromises with people who, frankly, may have some history of involvement with the drug trade and may be even currently protecting the drug trade," said Lee, president of Global Advisory Services, a Virginia-based research group.

In early June, Karzai called for $20 billion in foreign aid, warning that without an economic boost, people would have to live on the opium trade.

Afghan Finance Minister Ghani Ahmadzai has also warned that without more international aid, Afghanistan could become reliant on the drug trade and crime - a problem that would be more expensive to fix than giving short-term aid.

 

[Wahid]

You are right brother..there are many places where its talked about, how Mohammed PBUH was moked, and many things done to him,,and not once did he retalate..But always spoke, and did things in a peaceful manner...thank u for reminding us of this..

salam
he didnt have the power to retaliate then.. and like Allah(swt) says in the quran, repay an equal evil to an evil done to you but you have the choice to forgive as well

i dont have an online Quran perhaps some of the bros/sis can post that iyah

 

[_salam_]

why should we wait for them to apologise first? shouldnt we be better than them?

just because they are too proud and blinded to apologise that doesnt mean that we should be too

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the riots and protests and other things that Muslims have been doing, but if an apology is to be expected for those things it should be coming from the ones who did it not from me or other people that weren't involved. Thats like somebody asking me to apologize for 9/11 just because I'm a Muslim. I didn't do anythig so I have nothing to apologize for.

 

[anis_z24]

Salam
The Danes must know that what they did is wrong.
But who will they listen to when one Muslim country boycots and another doesn't.
The Muslim Ummah is not orginized.
So Enemies of Islam are now laughing at the Muslims. They have now assured themselves that we are unorginized.
And this can be a decoy. Mabe there is something else coming, and they have this cartoon scandal to take our attention.

 

[anis_z24]

Salam
I have question. But how can we make fun of something that was a myth.

 

[songinwind]

salam
he didnt have the power to retaliate then.. and like Allah(swt) says in the quran, repay an equal evil to an evil done to you but you have the choice to forgive as well

i dont have an online Quran perhaps some of the bros/sis can post that iyah

first..are you muslim?? as u mentioned online needed online quran,,

http://www.equran.org/qurantranslation.html.

I have posted u one ...
One of the bro/sisters will have to answer this, as even tho I have read the quran 2 times, and on my 3rd...I don't know just where all the certin verses are ...

 

[martina]

is there any prrof that muslims were responsible for 9/11

I'm thinking MOHAMMED ATTA was Jewish....? That would be my guess anyway. What do you think?

 

[Malsidabym]

anis_z24

I have question. But how can we make fun of something that was a myth.

Terrible, terrible thing to say....shame..I have seen old Jews wuth numbers tatooed on thier arms, they can reassure you there is no myth. Shame.

 

[north_malaysian]

I've seen male Muslims being naked and asked to do many kind of acts, as a joke or fun by Americans (remembereing Abu Ghuraib), it's not a myth too.