We are sorry

[Sis786]

Well they were not. They were attacked for sheltering Osama Bin Laden and refusing to hand him over. The US, to my knowledge, never said that the Afghans were guilty of 9-11, just that they helped OBL, they knowingly hid him from justice, and they would not hand him over.

No what most people get wrong is that the Taliban asked for proof that Osama Bin Laden was behind the attacks in America and that they would assist with the case. Even today many many people are confused as to what happened in America on 9/11 i dont need to run though the conspiracies im sure your aware of them. I mean most importantly we need to note the fact that some American Soldiers were already deployed to Afghanistan prior to the 9/11 attacks.

No I am not. I am saying it is best that people behave in a decent and peaceful manner. Which means those cartoons should not have been published. But even more importantly those embassies should not have been burnt. However, now the cartoons have been published, and the Danes cannot afford to let foreign radicals determine what is or is not acceptable in Danish society.

I agree with you dont get me wrong im not saying that the burning of those embassy’s are right BUT i as a Muslim can understand the frustration and anger of my fellow Muslims. Unfortunately those attacks have happen in countries where people are only use to seeing violence and their Government dont represent them fully. However i still feel that the Danish Government have not handled this situation the best they could have. I mean the France Newspaper sacked the Editor and apologised formally and i believe the Government have also taken these steps. The Danish Government need to put their peoples safety first.

Well I think that some Muslims have suffered hurt feelings, but the only people to have suffered in a material sense are Danes. And it has been for the Freedom of Speech but also it has become a defence of Danish rights and sovereignty. It is worth defending and, frankly, it is worth paying the price. Non-Muslims cannot let Muslims, especially foreign Muslims, determine what is or is not acceptable in their own countries. After all what is the next step - will Danish embassies burn if Denmark does not include Quranic lessons in every school? If Denmark agrees to trade with Israel? In your home you can do whatever you like. In my home what I do is none of your business. That is an important principle.

Ok well if this freedom of speech then those Protestors in London on Friday with there billboards are also right in what they were saying. Is that what you are trying to say.

We live in a society that we must respect each other IM NOT SAYING that Freedom of Speech should be banned BUT PLEASE TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT WAS THE MEANING BEHIND THOSE CARTOONS! You will come to the conclusion that these CARTOONS WERE ONLY MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEGRADING A WHOLE RELIGION.

 

[HeiGou]

No what most people get wrong is that the Taliban asked for proof that Osama Bin Laden was behind the attacks in America and that they would assist with the case. Even today many many people are confused as to what happened in America on 9/11 i dont need to run though the conspiracies im sure your aware of them. I mean most importantly we need to note the fact that some American Soldiers were already deployed to Afghanistan prior to the 9/11 attacks.

I do not deny that they asked for proof. There was no sign they would have handed him over to the Americans anyway. They did talk about handing him over to the Saudis. But it does not matter. The Americans were very angry, they knew he did it, he did do it, the Taliban refused to hand him over. It may not have been right, but there was no other options apart from invasion or co-operation from the Taliban. The Taliban chose the wrong option.

The fact that many people are confused is not an excuse for not pursuing those responsible. Anyone can invent some lies. OBL has admitted it.

Really? Where were they deployed and who says so?

I agree with you dont get me wrong im not saying that the burning of those embassy’s are right BUT i as a Muslim can understand the frustration and anger of my fellow Muslims. Unfortunately those attacks have happen in countries where people are only use to seeing violence and their Government dont represent them fully. However i still feel that the Danish Government have not handled this situation the best they could have. I mean the France Newspaper sacked the Editor and apologised formally and i believe the Government have also taken these steps. The Danish Government need to put their peoples safety first.

I am not saying you are saying it is right. I feel pity for the Muslims of the Middle East given their governments. And probably the Danish government has not handled the situation as well as they could have. But now the cartoons have been published. The French government did not sack that editor and it was wrong of the owner, in my opinion, to have done so. I am unaware that the French government has apologised. The Danish government does not need to put the safety of its civilians first - that would only create a situation where anyone could make the Danes do whatever they like by holding a Danish person hostage or threatening to kill one. They need to defend their rights, their freedom and their way of life. If Danes die, so be it. The blame belongs to the murderers and the murderers alone. The issues are much larger now.

Ok well if this freedom of speech then those Protestors in London on Friday with there billboards are also right in what they were saying. Is that what you are trying to say.

Umm, no. You may not incite murder. Free speech stops at the killing of living people. Generally speaking I am all in favor of people protesting, but they may not urge others to commit violent crimes if there is a chance that such crimes will be carried out.

We live in a society that we must respect each other IM NOT SAYING that Freedom of Speech should be banned BUT PLEASE TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT WAS THE MEANING BEHIND THOSE CARTOONS! You will come to the conclusion that these CARTOONS WERE ONLY MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEGRADING A WHOLE RELIGION.

I do not know what the meaning was apart from what has been said - that the newspaper was determined to test the limits of free speech and to see if the Danish people would be intimidated by threats. I understand that you do not want free speech banned, but you must be able to see that if you let foreigners tell you what you can and cannot say, you will not have any free speech in the end. If the rioters get their way what else will they demand stopped? Free discussion of Islam? Danish foreign policy in Afghanistan and Iraq? Where do you draw the line? The issue is now the existence of any sort of freedom in Denmark. Either the Danes determine what Danes can and cannot do in Denmark or rioters in Egypt do. Which do you think the Danes ought to choose?

 

[Sis786]

I do not deny that they asked for proof. There was no sign they would have handed him over to the Americans anyway. They did talk about handing him over to the Saudis. But it does not matter. The Americans were very angry, they knew he did it, he did do it, the Taliban refused to hand him over. It may not have been right, but there was no other options apart from invasion or co-operation from the Taliban. The Taliban chose the wrong option.

The fact that many people are confused is not an excuse for not pursuing those responsible. Anyone can invent some lies. OBL has admitted it.

Really? Where were they deployed and who says so??

AFGHANISTAN
The prime objective of the war on Afghanistan was supposedly to capture Osama bin Laden, the man allegedly responsible for the attacks on 11 September 2001, and destroy his militant network, al-Qaeda. In reality, the US and UK launched a full scale military deployment to the region a few months before the attacks on America, and the allies began the invasion of Afghanistan a few weeks before 9/11. The true sequence of events is freely available to anybody who bothers to check the relevent media coverage or official records. The cause-effect relationship between the US/UK attacks on the Middle East and the retaliatory attacks of 9/11 has been reversed in the minds of the public by the greatest campaign of political and media propaganda in the history of Western democracy. Osama bin Laden was not found, al-Qaeda remains operational, and the Afghan warlords are as powerful as ever. The main benefit was the massive US-led oil pipeline project, planned since 1998, which was immediately approved by the new regime installed by the US government.
This is a section taken out of a AMERCIAN newspaper.
Ok the Taliban were willing to comprimise with the Saudis. Surely this was the better move than sending Hundreds and Thousands of Troops into Afghanistan Killing Hundreds and Thousands of civillians and risking the lives of your Soliders. Surely!

You have to bear in mind that America 3 weeks after the attack in Amercia were ready for War. This is no small scale War. How an earth did they get ready within 3 weeks!

I am not saying you are saying it is right. I feel pity for the Muslims of the Middle East given their governments. And probably the Danish government has not handled the situation as well as they could have. But now the cartoons have been published. The French government did not sack that editor and it was wrong of the owner, in my opinion, to have done so. I am unaware that the French government has apologised. The Danish government does not need to put the safety of its civilians first - that would only create a situation where anyone could make the Danes do whatever they like by holding a Danish person hostage or threatening to kill one. They need to defend their rights, their freedom and their way of life. If Danes die, so be it. The blame belongs to the murderers and the murderers alone. The issues are much larger now.?

I agree! Completley.

Umm, no. You may not incite murder. Free speech stops at the killing of living people. Generally speaking I am all in favor of people protesting, but they may not urge others to commit violent crimes if there is a chance that such crimes will be carried out.?

You feel that calling every single Muslim a terroist by showing our Prophet SAW as one is Freedom of Speech YET when we carry out Terroism we are inciting Murder!Hmmmmm

You see many Muslims will come to the throery that By showing the Prophet SAW as a Murderer and Terroist its attack on all Muslims as we follow the teachings of the Prophet SAW. Sooo if thats what you think THEN thats what you will get.

The Cartoons were wrong FULL STOP, the Danish Goverment need to acknoledge that this TYPE of Freedom of Speech would have only led them to this situation where people around the world would take the Law into thier own hands. You cant do an act and then NOT accept reponsibilty. The Goverment have given the PRESS Freedom of Speech and this has no boudaries. Well then in that case what they will get is a clash and the people on the other side will also take the law in thier hands and not use diplomatic means.

I do not know what the meaning was apart from what has been said - that the newspaper was determined to test the limits of free speech and to see if the Danish people would be intimidated by threats. I understand that you do not want free speech banned, but you must be able to see that if you let foreigners tell you what you can and cannot say, you will not have any free speech in the end. If the rioters get their way what else will they demand stopped? Free discussion of Islam? Danish foreign policy in Afghanistan and Iraq? Where do you draw the line? The issue is now the existence of any sort of freedom in Denmark. Either the Danes determine what Danes can and cannot do in Denmark or rioters in Egypt do. Which do you think the Danes ought to choose?

Hmm well then they got what they wanted THREATS AND VIOLENCE. Surely there must be another way to do this. Instead of Stoooping so low and diplicting a man whom we regard MORE than our lives. With 87% of the Danish people being against the Cartoons I wonder which "Danish People" they were testing and representing?

 

[HeiGou]

Ok the Taliban were willing to comprimise with the Saudis. Surely this was the better move than sending Hundreds and Thousands of Troops into Afghanistan Killing Hundreds and Thousands of civillians and risking the lives of your Soliders. Surely!

Well no. At least I do not think so. Someone attacked America. Something had to be done. This was something. In the circumstances what else could have been done?

The propaganda effects of the invasion of Afghanistan are still not certain. It is clear that the Afghans have voted in free-ish and fair-ish elections. It is clear that the Afghans have not risen against the Americans as they did against the British and the Russia. It is clear that they have not risen as the Iraqis have. I think America is winning the propaganda war in Afghanistan.

You have to bear in mind that America 3 weeks after the attack in Amercia were ready for War. This is no small scale War. How an earth did they get ready within 3 weeks!

They did not send many soldiers - just airplanes. It does not surprise me.

You feel that calling every single Muslim a terroist by showing our Prophet SAW as one is Freedom of Speech YET when we carry out Terroism we are inciting Murder!Hmmmmm

I don't think that it was calling every single Muslim a terrorist. It was calling Muhammed one - at least that does seem to be the meaning of the bomb in the turban one. And that was wrong. But it has been done now and there is no changing that.

As for terrorism, well, when people carry out terrorism it is a little more than incitement to murder. And yet there is a vast difference between insulting Muhammed and calling for a living breathing person to be beheaded. One is insulting to a person who died 1400 years ago, but the other is calling for a crime to be committed against the living.

You see many Muslims will come to the throery that By showing the Prophet SAW as a Murderer and Terroist its attack on all Muslims as we follow the teachings of the Prophet SAW. Sooo if thats what you think THEN thats what you will get.

I do not think that was the implication of the cartoon and if that is what Muslims think, well, what can be done? It was wrong to insult someone else's deepest religious feelings. But it has been done. The Danes cannot allow their laws to be determined by angry Egyptians.

The Cartoons were wrong FULL STOP, the Danish Goverment need to acknoledge that this TYPE of Freedom of Speech would have only led them to this situation where people around the world would take the Law into thier own hands.

They may well do so, but they cannot legitimate people around the world taking the law into their own hands. The Danish government only needs to acknowledge that the law must be obeyed. Which it has - except by a few who have killed a priest in Turkey and burnt some buildings.

You cant do an act and then NOT accept reponsibilty. The Goverment have given the PRESS Freedom of Speech and this has no boudaries. Well then in that case what they will get is a clash and the people on the other side will also take the law in thier hands and not use diplomatic means.

Well you can, but you should not do so. I agree. The press does have boundaries. There is no unlimited freedom of speech. But those boundaries must be determined by Danish people and not Syrians. If people break the law it is their fault for which they will have to account in this world and the next. If the Danes are obeying the law, they bear no responsibility for what other people do.

Hmm well then they got what they wanted THREATS AND VIOLENCE. Surely there must be another way to do this. Instead of Stoooping so low and diplicting a man whom we regard MORE than our lives. With 87% of the Danish people being against the Cartoons I wonder which "Danish People" they were testing and representing?

There must be a better way. But in the end it is a question of who determines Danish freedoms - the Danes or the population of the Middle East. Those cartoons were offensive, but the Danes have every right to do what they like in their own country.

 

[aamirsaab]

Free speach huh?
Ok, now if from what I have heard is true, I should have the right to say: "all (insert followers of certain religion here) are all (insert expletive content here)". However, I don't. for three reasons:
A) I respect all religions - yes even scientology
B) I'm not stupid
C) If I did, i'd get shot. Or worse, shot twice. In simpler terms: i'd expect to get some retaliation and I would have no right to complain, if i did i'd get shot...again

I'm not saying I am against freedom of speech. I am saying, you have to use it carefully and think of the consequences. e.g. I don't go bad-mouthing my mother because I know it will offend her and she probably won't cook my chapatis.

 

[Sis786]

Well no. At least I do not think so. Someone attacked America. Something had to be done. This was something. In the circumstances what else could have been done?

The propaganda effects of the invasion of Afghanistan are still not certain. It is clear that the Afghans have voted in free-ish and fair-ish elections. It is clear that the Afghans have not risen against the Americans as they did against the British and the Russia. It is clear that they have not risen as the Iraqis have. I think America is winning the propaganda war in Afghanistan.

Thats what the media might be stating HOW CAN YOU WIN A WAR WHEN THE PERSON YOU STARTED THE WAR FOR HAS NOT BEEN CAPTURED. Has the War on Afghanistan helped resolve problems of Terrosim NO and a very big NO. Instead it has led more people to think that Amercia has othe rmotives and a complete hate for ISLAM. Why have more people been pulled into Terroism since 9/11 THAT question needs to be asked. COme on before 9/11 had we really heard abour Terroism.

How can you say Afghanistan has benefited. Do you think the Mother that lost her son cares about THE FREE ELECTIONS. Do you think the Orphan whos parents died CARES ABOUT FREE ELECTIONS.

They did not send many soldiers - just airplanes. It does not surprise me.

I think you need to re-check your information they send troops, made allies with a certain group in Afghanistan. This couldnt have been done in 3 weeks

I don't think that it was calling every single Muslim a terrorist. It was calling Muhammed one - at least that does seem to be the meaning of the bomb in the turban one. And that was wrong. But it has been done now and there is no changing that.

Muhammed SAW is a perfect example of a Muslim. We follow the Quran the word of God and the Sunnah of Muhammed Saw. Meaning the example of the Prophet SAW. So this was a very clever way of saying that ALL and i repeat ALL Muslims are terroist. The Danish people knew exactly what they were doing. Why not just say a Muslim is a terroist. This Cartoon wouldnt have caused soo much offence if it was JUST of a Muslim. Why choose a Man that lived 1400 years ago. Like i said this was done with ONE intention and that was to OFFEND ALL muslims.

As for terrorism, well, when people carry out terrorism it is a little more than incitement to murder. And yet there is a vast difference between insulting Muhammed and calling for a living breathing person to be beheaded. One is insulting to a person who died 1400 years ago, but the other is calling for a crime to be committed against the living.

Well ok so whats the point of any justice. I mean soo what if a man killed a child. the Child is dead FULL Stop why punish the living. Let Rapist and Murders walk free i mean what they done has been done. :?

Well you can, but you should not do so. I agree. The press does have boundaries. There is no unlimited freedom of speech. But those boundaries must be determined by Danish people and not Syrians. If people break the law it is their fault for which they will have to account in this world and the next. If the Danes are obeying the law, they bear no responsibility for what other people do.

Yes then if this is the case then the DANISH should only offend the DANISH and not do an act that they KNEW would offend a man in Syria and a women in britain and a man from Pakistan BASICALLY ALL MUSLIMS.

 

[Ghazi]

Salaam

With The U.S. and U.K stated that they're in a war with terror, shouldn't america and the uk look into their own country, for example here in the uk you got 'yobs' who terrorise their neighbours their terrorists cause people are terrified of them, I don't see scotland yard doing nothing to them.

 

[mizan_aliashraf]

Salam
That was a very good point. While the UK have been busy fighting with the US, they have let their own backyard go down the drain. Their own people are sick to death of the policies of this government and they want to see a change sooner rather than later.
We have seen ASBOs, robbery, gun?knife crime go up, as well as racist, homophobic and arsonist attacks increase. When will this government sort out its own mess?
Wassalam

 

[Sis786]

Perfect example was Katrina. Americans were busy "Building" other states and countries YET couldnt deal with the situation that effected them.

 

[HeiGou]

Free speach huh?
Ok, now if from what I have heard is true, I should have the right to say: "all (insert followers of certain religion here) are all (insert expletive content here)". However, I don't. for three reasons:
A) I respect all religions - yes even scientology
B) I'm not stupid
C) If I did, i'd get shot. Or worse, shot twice. In simpler terms: i'd expect to get some retaliation and I would have no right to complain, if i did i'd get shot...again

I'm not saying I am against freedom of speech. I am saying, you have to use it carefully and think of the consequences. e.g. I don't go bad-mouthing my mother because I know it will offend her and she probably won't cook my chapatis.

As I understand it you do have a right to say "all (insert followers of certain religion here) are all (insert expletive content here)" unless it so happens that all followers of a certain religion are also of a certain race - the Europeans having compromised enough to ban racial vilification. You shouldn't say it, anymore than the Danish papers should have said it, but you do have the right to do so in the West.

It is a good thing you respect all religions. I expect it is difficult to do so for Muslims because they tend to think all other religions are wrong to varying degrees. It is hard to respect Hinduism if you think Hindus are fools for worshipping idols and will all go to Hell. It is hard to respect Judaism and Christianity if you think they are founded on lies. But it is not important.

Who would shoot you if you said something bad about Buddha?

I agree you should think carefully about what you say before you say it. And it is wrong to go around insulting other peoples' religions. But it has been said now and the issue is much bigger for the Danes. It comes down to who is going to make the law in Denmark - the Danes or the Pakistanis.

 

[HeiGou]

Thats what the media might be stating HOW CAN YOU WIN A WAR WHEN THE PERSON YOU STARTED THE WAR FOR HAS NOT BEEN CAPTURED. Has the War on Afghanistan helped resolve problems of Terrosim NO and a very big NO. Instead it has led more people to think that Amercia has othe rmotives and a complete hate for ISLAM. Why have more people been pulled into Terroism since 9/11 THAT question needs to be asked. COme on before 9/11 had we really heard abour Terroism.

I said the propaganda war. And as it happens America seems to be winning the other sort of war too - OBL called for a ceasefire the other day. Maybe he is tired of living in caves and is scared. Maybe not. I agree that the war in Afghanistan has not helped resolve the problem of terrorism, but it has probably made the problem smaller. OBL said the West was weak. If he was still sitting in Kabul in a nice big office demanding "proof" still the Americans would look weak. There was a crime and there was a response. All the people who think the Americans have other motive thought so beforehand. All the people who think the Americans hate Islam would have anyway. I am unconvinced more people have been pulled into terrorism since 9-11, at least in Afghanistan. Maybe in Iraq.

How can you say Afghanistan has benefited. Do you think the Mother that lost her son cares about THE FREE ELECTIONS. Do you think the Orphan whos parents died CARES ABOUT FREE ELECTIONS.

I am not sure I said Afghanistan has benefited. But yes, I think the Mother who has lost her son cares about elections. I think the orphan also cares about elections. Anyone who wants the violence to end, and the victims probably do, would want to resolve all problems in a peaceful way. Whatever else has happened Afghanistan is relatively peaceful.

I think you need to re-check your information they send troops, made allies with a certain group in Afghanistan. This couldnt have been done in 3 weeks

I am sure they were talking to the Northern Alliance beforehand - they were the legal government of Afghanistan after all. And they did not send many troops. I do not see it would have been hard.

Muhammed SAW is a perfect example of a Muslim. We follow the Quran the word of God and the Sunnah of Muhammed Saw. Meaning the example of the Prophet SAW. So this was a very clever way of saying that ALL and i repeat ALL Muslims are terroist. The Danish people knew exactly what they were doing. Why not just say a Muslim is a terroist. This Cartoon wouldnt have caused soo much offence if it was JUST of a Muslim. Why choose a Man that lived 1400 years ago. Like i said this was done with ONE intention and that was to OFFEND ALL muslims.

You have gone from a picture about one man, to a claim about all Muslims. From a claim about the intentions of twelve men to the intentions of all Danes. How is this possible? How do you know such things? I doubt that anyone saw this result much less intended it.

Well ok so whats the point of any justice. I mean soo what if a man killed a child. the Child is dead FULL Stop why punish the living. Let Rapist and Murders walk free i mean what they done has been done. :?

To deter others. To achieve a rough sort of justice.

Yes then if this is the case then the DANISH should only offend the DANISH and not do an act that they KNEW would offend a man in Syria and a women in britain and a man from Pakistan BASICALLY ALL MUSLIMS.

How did the man from Syria and the woman in Britain and the man from Pakistan even hear about these cartoons? If Danish radicals had not taken these twelve - and a few more that they produced from somewhere - to the Middle East, no one would have heard of them. The paper was not printed in Syria, nor in Britain, nor in Pakistan. They did, as it happens, do something for Danes, and Danes alone. But the problem remains - where do you draw the line? Do the Danes want to teach evolution? Should they stop if that offends some American Christians? Do the Danes want to support the Peace Process? Should they stop if that offends some Jews? Those cartoons were rude. But the Danes cannot give in to bullying.

 

[HeiGou]

That was a very good point. While the UK have been busy fighting with the US, they have let their own backyard go down the drain. Their own people are sick to death of the policies of this government and they want to see a change sooner rather than later.
We have seen ASBOs, robbery, gun?knife crime go up, as well as racist, homophobic and arsonist attacks increase. When will this government sort out its own mess?

I agree that life in most of Britain is fairly grim. The present government has done something about it with ASBOs (that I hear have worked). But that is all beside the point. That makes life miserable for many people, but it is random and unco-ordinated. Terrorism is aimed at the British way of life. It is highly organised and it is aimed at a specific political purpose. If Britain opposes that purpose it must fight the terror. One is unfortunate but in the long run meaningless. The other is far more dangerous.

As for people being sick to death of the government's policies, I do not know if that is true. I expect they are. But from what I hear what people are most sick to death of is the weakness of the British government - see the outrage over those protests. People are demanding a tougher line against terror, and to be honest, Muslims. You can see this in the BNP leader's trial. A jury of twelve people could not agree he was a dangerous racist. And why? He is smart. He picks on Muslims now, not on Black people as a whole. He said that one day Britain would be attacked by home-born Muslim radicals. That is what he was arrested for. Well Britain has been. Go figure. The BNP is slowly becoming mainstream. I think this is a bad thing and it ought to be stopped. How is it going to be stopped?

 

[Sis786]

I said the propaganda war. And as it happens America seems to be winning the other sort of war too - OBL called for a ceasefire the other day. Maybe he is tired of living in caves and is scared. Maybe not. I agree that the war in Afghanistan has not helped resolve the problem of terrorism, but it has probably made the problem smaller. OBL said the West was weak. If he was still sitting in Kabul in a nice big office demanding "proof" still the Americans would look weak. There was a crime and there was a response. All the people who think the Americans have other motive thought so beforehand. All the people who think the Americans hate Islam would have anyway. I am unconvinced more people have been pulled into terrorism since 9-11, at least in Afghanistan. Maybe in Iraq.

You think that America are winning the war. They have caused havoic all over the world. I have not seen ONE muslim who thinks good of the Amercian Goverment NOT ONE! They have spent sooo much money on War that there own people are suffering i.e THE PEOPLE THAT SUFFERED DURING KATRINA

I am not sure I said Afghanistan has benefited. But yes, I think the Mother who has lost her son cares about elections. I think the orphan also cares about elections. Anyone who wants the violence to end, and the victims probably do, would want to resolve all problems in a peaceful way. Whatever else has happened Afghanistan is relatively peaceful.

Whats the point of voting THE GOVERMENT IS AMERCIA. You might believe that they are THERE for the Afghans i Dont. So America spent all there money and effort to start a war JUST so the Afghans can have independent ELECTIONS. :X

I am sure they were talking to the Northern Alliance beforehand - they were the legal government of Afghanistan after all. And they did not send many troops. I do not see it would have been hard.

Hmm i will leave that For you to decide. Dont forget When Yvonne Riddley was captured by the Taliban SOOO many stories were around the press she was raped she was treated badly so on and so on. When she came out and said Well NO in fact i was called Sister and she reverted to ISLAM. The Press didnt wanna know!

You have gone from a picture about one man, to a claim about all Muslims. From a claim about the intentions of twelve men to the intentions of all Danes. How is this possible? How do you know such things? I doubt that anyone saw this result much less intended it.

AGAIN you are wrong dont you think there was a reason the DANES chose to show a picture of a man that walked the earth 1400 years ago. WHY not just make a pic of any muslim one that is living one that IS a terroist WHY Muhammed PBHU

To deter others. To achieve a rough sort of justice.

Well then WHY dont you feel that the Men that CROSS the line of Freedom of Speech should be punished WORDS can lead to bloodshed as it has done in this instance

How did the man from Syria and the woman in Britain and the man from Pakistan even hear about these cartoons? If Danish radicals had not taken these twelve - and a few more that they produced from somewhere - to the Middle East, no one would have heard of them. The paper was not printed in Syria, nor in Britain, nor in Pakistan. They did, as it happens, do something for Danes, and Danes alone. But the problem remains - where do you draw the line? Do the Danes want to teach evolution? Should they stop if that offends some American Christians? Do the Danes want to support the Peace Process? Should they stop if that offends some Jews? Those cartoons were rude. But the Danes cannot give in to bullying.

They heard about it because LIKE i said ONE person WHOM we ALL regard MORE than OUR life is Muhammed PBHU. Every Muslim heard about it as WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE THE PROPHET PBHU.

 

[HeiGou]

You think that America are winning the war. They have caused havoic all over the world. I have not seen ONE muslim who thinks good of the Amercian Goverment NOT ONE! They have spent sooo much money on War that there own people are suffering i.e THE PEOPLE THAT SUFFERED DURING KATRINA

I think arguing about the war is off topic. America has reserves of support in Afghanistan and even in Iraq. As I said it is noticeable that the Afghans, who fought the Soviets, have not yet fought the Americans in any real way. You think the war has anything to do with Katrina? Well that is even more off topic.

Whats the point of voting THE GOVERMENT IS AMERCIA. You might believe that they are THERE for the Afghans i Dont. So America spent all there money and effort to start a war JUST so the Afghans can have independent ELECTIONS.

I never said they were there for the Afghans. The Americans clearly did not start the war for that purpose. It is a side effect. The Afghans think there is a point because they voted. And they have not yet risen in force against the Americans. They have about ten thousand soldiers in Afghanistan. The Soviets had many more and still lost. No one is even shooting much at the Americans.

AGAIN you are wrong dont you think there was a reason the DANES chose to show a picture of a man that walked the earth 1400 years ago. WHY not just make a pic of any muslim one that is living one that IS a terroist WHY Muhammed PBHU

Yes - some woman could not get any illustrator for her book on Muhammed because they were all too scared of fatwas. So the newspaper decided to see how scared people were.

Well then WHY dont you feel that the Men that CROSS the line of Freedom of Speech should be punished WORDS can lead to bloodshed as it has done in this instance

There is no law in Denmark making this illegal and I do not think there ought to be. It is rude, not criminal. Words may lead to bloodshed, but that would be a sin and a crime in my opinion and the guilt would lie with the guilty, not the Danes. What line has any Dane crossed? They have not broken the law, they have not gone to the Middle East and offended people. They have stayed at home and people have disrespected their right to live their own lives their own way.

They heard about it because LIKE i said ONE person WHOM we ALL regard MORE than OUR life is Muhammed PBHU. Every Muslim heard about it as WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE THE PROPHET PBHU.

You all may know and love Muhammed, but you do not know and love Danish newspapers. Someone, a few Danish radicals it seems, decided to make trouble by taking these pictures and showing them around. The Egyptian government decided to make an issue of it. If they had not no one would have heard of it.

THe bottom line remains - the Danes have a right to be respected in their own country. It was rude to publish such pictures, but now the Danes cannot allow themselves to be bullied.

 

[Sis786]

Ok we going around in circles MY POINT is THOSE who published these pictures KNEW the outcome like you said this was a test to see how far they can push thier FREEDOM OF SPEECH! Its clear that they went tooo far. I also agree that some of the Demonstrations went too far too and dont agree with that. HOWEVER i dont believe that those that did these acts DID not predict this outcome I CAN NEVER BELIIVE THAT. They chose Muahmmed pbhu FOR ONE REASON, And that was to OFFEND ALL Muslims and not just those in Denmark.

As for the Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Speech has to have boundries.

As for the bullying part! These Protestors are NOT SAYING BANN FREEDOM of Speech, But why is it that WHEN WE MUSLIMS use Freedom of Speech we are seen as TERROIST AND INCITING MURDER?

This clearly is another attack on Muslims and THIS time they TOOK a Step TOO FAR!

 

[TSpot]

They heard about it because LIKE i said ONE person WHOM we ALL regard MORE than OUR life is Muhammed PBHU. Every Muslim heard about it as WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE THE PROPHET PBHU.

Then why did your violence not start when they were published? It was a relatively small incident--hugely insensitive, but small. It was blown up (and to a degree falsified) by radical Muslims for their own POLITICAL purposes. You can continue to support violence all day long and continue your feeble attempt to relate everything back to the United States, but it is silly. The violence is wrong.

 

[TSpot]

These Protestors are NOT SAYING BANN FREEDOM of Speech, But why is it that WHEN WE MUSLIMS use Freedom of Speech we are seen as TERROIST AND INCITING MURDER?

There is no problems with Muslims using freedom of speech. There was a large, peaceful demonstration in Denmark yesterday. However, burning and looting embassies is violence, not speech.

 

[Sis786]

There is no problems with Muslims using freedom of speech. There was a large, peaceful demonstration in Denmark yesterday. However, burning and looting embassies is violence, not speech.

I totally agree with you BUT when genrally you say something about Terroism or show support for the Palestine people you are tainted with the same brush. Example Tony Blairs Sister on Law, was on the Islam Channel that day when they were doing a fundraising for Palestine she said that when she went with "Interpal" The Charity to Palestine she had a call from the Israel saying that they did NOT like her helping the "Terrosit". She went to help children.

Another is Hamas or the Iran President. Both have been tainted BUT all they have done is exercise THIER FREEDOM SPEECH!

As for the violence not starting when they were published to be honest at the time many did not know. WE all have the right to know what is being said anout our Beloved Prophet PBHU and when we did hear we re-acted SOME worse then others.

 

[Christian_dove]

The fact is that these cartoons have been published earlier by several other norwegian newspapers. But noone could care less, it happened a long time ago, and norwegian muslims, moderate and collected as they may be, didn't bother to react. Until the danish imams went to egypt to tell their lies. This is one of the images they showed other imams, claiming it is a man offending Muhammad:

http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=301971

The fact is, this is a french man in a squeel-like-a-pig contest, and has nothing to do with Muhammad.

«Franskmannen Jacques Barrot var neppe klar over at han ville bli forvekslet med en profet, da han sist sommer spente et lyserødt grisetryne rundt ansiktet og hylte som et svin»

"The frenchman Jaques Barrot was probably unaware of the fact that he would be mistaken for being a prophet when he last summer put a pinkish hog mask on and squeeled like a pig."

The story says nothing in regards to how he did in the competition...

 

[HeiGou]

Ok we going around in circles MY POINT is THOSE who published these pictures KNEW the outcome like you said this was a test to see how far they can push thier FREEDOM OF SPEECH! Its clear that they went tooo far. I also agree that some of the Demonstrations went too far too and dont agree with that. HOWEVER i dont believe that those that did these acts DID not predict this outcome I CAN NEVER BELIIVE THAT. They chose Muahmmed pbhu FOR ONE REASON, And that was to OFFEND ALL Muslims and not just those in Denmark.

Who could have forseen this? And much worse is published on line and elsewhere every day. I would direct you to some websites, but perhaps that is not a good idea.

As for the Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Speech has to have boundries.

I accept that, but I think it is important that in Denmark it is the Danes that determine those boundaries.

As for the bullying part! These Protestors are NOT SAYING BANN FREEDOM of Speech, But why is it that WHEN WE MUSLIMS use Freedom of Speech we are seen as TERROIST AND INCITING MURDER?

Well when you use your freedom of speech in a way that does not incite murder or terrorism I see nothing wrong. So far you have put your case strongly but have not called for my head to be cut off. I have no problem with that and would expect no less.

As for what the protestors are saying, what they are demanding is that they ought to be the ones that determine what Denmark does or does not publish. And as long as they do so peacefully that is fine with me. But in the end it is important that the Danes are the ones that determine what Danes can and cannot do. Not Egyptians. If the Danes cannot publish anything that upsets some foreigners, essentially they cannot publish anything at all. What if the Chinese insist that they censor the film "Memoirs of a Geisha"? If the Israelis demand that the supporters of the Oslo Accords be jailed? Where does it end? Respect is a two way street.

This clearly is another attack on Muslims and THIS time they TOOK a Step TOO FAR!

Perhaps, but where will it end? People have been telling me for over a year now that there are too many Muslims in the West and they need to go. All of them. Even from sensible people as a general rule, not extremists. The tide of public opinion is slowly turning and it is not turning towards your end of society. I have said, any number of times, that it is not like it was 50 years ago. It is like it was in 1491. And what happened in 1492? Even the Guardian was shocked by these protests.

So my question to you is simple - to live together as Muslims and non-Muslims there needs to be mutual respect. Or not. I accept these cartoons were offensive, but there are rules in any society you should obey. Calling for more 7-7 attacks is unacceptable. As is dressing as a suicide bomber. Muslims have offended and scared the majority of the population in the West. There need to be efforts made to repair those bridges and restore relations. These protests, through their violence and rejection of the West, are not helping. If you choose the "or not" option, be aware of what that might mean. I would prefer a peaceful, tolerant, multicultural West.