Cartoons worse than murder??

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"(is there a mosque in Portland btw? I lived there a while years ago and never saw one)"

I did a search, here is the main story that indicates that there indeed is a mosque in Southeast Portland:


PORTLAND - ABC News reports the FBI is investigating possible al Qaeda terror cells in several major U.S. cities, including Portland.
Agents are reportedly focusing on New York, Boston, Minneapolis, Houston, Detroit, Miami, Buffalo, Seattle and Portland.

The FBI is particularly interested in several dozen U.S. citizens believed to have trained in al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan during the late 90s. The news has piqued interest in Oregon as questions arise about certain members of a mosque in southwest Portland.

First there was the arrest last week of Mohamed Abdirahman Kariye, a leader of the mosque the Islamic Center of Portland.

Authorities said Kariye was discovered at Portland International Airport with a one way ticket, several thousand dollars in cash and a suitcase with traces of TNT inside. His fellow mosque members say there is no way he is a terrorist or even someone with terrorist ties.

However, a court document shows that in 1992, Kariye was one of five board of directors for a charity called the Global Relief Foundation. He is listed as Muhamed Abdirahman, a variation of one the several names he's used in the past.

Last December, the charity was shut down by federal authorities, and it's being investigated for possibly funding al Qaeda's terrorist activities.

There is also Fareed Adlouni, another Portland resident and a member of the same southwest Portland mosque.

He has not been charged, but his name surfaces on court documents as well.

A 1996 fax from Osama bin Laden's personal secretary, Wadih el Hage, asks Adlouni and other brothers at the Islamic Center of Portland for donations to an organization called "Help Africa People."

Earlier that year, el Hage sent a fax to a friend in Texas, asking him to transfer $1,000 to Adlouni's U.S. Bank account in Beaverton.

El Hage is serving a life sentence for his role in the U.S. embassy bombings in Africa that killed over 250 people.

A Lake Oswego Rotary group invited Adlouni and other members of his mosque to speak at one of their meetings last year to share their views on the September 11 attacks.

“The first thing that annoyed people was his refusal to stand and salute the flag,” Rotary member Phil Engstrom said. “We begin our meetings with a flag salute and that tipped people off to what they might expect.”

Engstrom says after a brief introduction about Islam, Adlouni went on to point out there was no direct proof Osama bin Laden was behind the September 11 attacks.

Engstrom says Adlouni also criticized U.S. policy in the Middle East, blaming American sanctions for the lack of food and death of a million children in Iraq.

“It was indeed shocking to the whole club, I think,” Engstrom said. “The reaction was quite uniform in one respect--that we didn't like what we heard.”"
 
See its that kind of ignorance, disrespect and lack of understanding that caused all this in the first place. look i could sit here and just chat a load of rubbish, but i dont wana spoil the things for the rest of the people using ths forum and the forums credibility. so please if your looking for someone to talk to or belittle go somehwere else, cos i aint in the mood.
As-salamu Alaykum Brother,

I don't know if I would call her response ignorant. The way I read it sounds as if she is saying that the reproduction of the cartoons wasn't necessarily allowed by the government of that country. I know that here in the U.S.( because of the constitution) certain magazines and news papers are able to write things that are morally wrong, anti-government, racist, etc. Alot of us here don't agree and the government might not agree either, but they can't step in because of freedom of speech. I think she might of been just trying to explain that point. :w: :sister:
 
I don't say that USA wants war. But I think they are prepared for precision strike on Iran. And conflict Europe-muslims is good only for USA and Israel.
 
Perhaps I can be of some assistance.

The reaction you have witnessed is related to what these caricatures really signify. Muslims feel that there has been an on-going campaign undertaken by many elements within the western media to malign and demonize Islam. Islam and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has been repeatedly attacked and at a time when we need to reach out and increase our understanding of different minority groups we find that instead misconceptions and slanderous comments are being propagated. When these cartoons were published, the Muslim community in Denmark and other western countries felt that the percieved attack on Islam had now become obvious. The cartoons represented a malicious attempt to malign Islam and incite more hatred towards the Muslim community. This is why the Muslims felt that they needed to voice loud protest and cause the world to realize that we cannot continue to propagate hatred towards others if we intend to promote peace.

First, let me thank you for your kind words of greeting, and the civility of your replies to me thus far. If all people of religion we so tolerant, the world would be a better place.

However, the most effective demonization if Islam, in my and many members of my culture's minds, is done by Muslims themselves. London and Madrid bombings. Disproportionate outbursts at silly little drawings. The list of apparantly deranged behaviour is getting longer all the time. And moderate Muslims seem to be unable to reign in the more fanatical elements of their religion. If I was a moderate muslim, I would not cease the denunciation of these acts of depravity until they stopped, for they tarnish your religion almost beyone hope in the minds now of many.

I think that many peaceful protests were successful in conveying this message.
I disagree. Many peaceful protests showed that, while many didn't fly into murderous rioting, a silly picture in a newspaper nevertheless seems to offend Muslims more than mass bombings done in the name of Islam. Letters to the editor, perhaps, or reasoned discourse in forums like this by people such as yourself, for example, are more appropriate outlets for your greviences.

Again, thank you. Wasaalam.
 
However, the most effective demonization if Islam, in my and many members of my culture's minds, is done by Muslims themselves. London and Madrid bombings.

Why do you people always associate these acts to Islam and Muslims?Nuclear weaons-Muslims, Suicide bombing-muslims, terrorists-muslims. Enough is enough.
This doesn not mean, that if these acts has been done by a bunch of people whose name are Abdullah or Muhammad, they are Muslims. They can have Muslim names but they must not neccessarily be Muslims. Do you know the meaning of Muslims? Muslims are those who have submited themselves to the only God;i.e Allah.
Some of these people are just using the name of Islam for their terrorists acts. Besides the medias controlled by Kuffars are seizing these opportunities to opportunities to throw mud at Muslims and Islam coz they dont want us. They are afraid of Islam. They are afraid of the fact htat Islam is the fastest growing religion.
 
aljawaad;179681 Why do you people always associate these acts to Islam and Muslims?[/QUOTE said:
Ummm lets see now.....because these acts were perpetrated by people who call themselves Muslims, who comit these atrocities in the name of Islam? Maybe that has something to do with it? Why aren't you out protesting these despicable acts? They tarnish the name of Islam, almost beyound the point of redemption in the minds of many.
 

Why do you people always associate these acts to Islam and Muslims?Nuclear weaons-Muslims, Suicide bombing-muslims, terrorists-muslims. Enough is enough.
This doesn not mean, that if these acts has been done by a bunch of people whose name are Abdullah or Muhammad, they are Muslims. They can have Muslim names but they must not neccessarily be Muslims. Do you know the meaning of Muslims? Muslims are those who have submited themselves to the only God;i.e Allah.
Some of these people are just using the name of Islam for their terrorists acts. Besides the medias controlled by Kuffars are seizing these opportunities to opportunities to throw mud at Muslims and Islam coz they dont want us. They are afraid of Islam. They are afraid of the fact htat Islam is the fastest growing religion.


You may not think those people were Muslims. You may convince me that they were not Muslims and so I may not think they were Muslims. But the suicide bombers left video tapes explaining what they did. They thought they were Muslims.

Some people are not just using the name "Muslim", they are trying to live a pious, upright, God-fearing life. Which has taken some of them into very bad acts indeed. Suicide bombings. Beheadings of schoolgirls in Indonesia. Even worse things in Algeria. Islam is not just an excuse, it is the motivation and the driving force. If you want to insist that this is not real Islam I am behind you one hundred percent. But you cannot deny that they think it is real Islam. Even we all agree they have not understood Islam properly and they are a tiny minority (which they are) it still remains true that a tiny minority has this particular understanding of Islam and that has driven them to kill.

With what should the kaffir media associate them? What other term is there?
 
With what should the kaffir media associate them? What other term is there?

I would like to see them use more careful words, 'terrorist claiming to be muslim' etc, since it is not the media's place to judge if or how good someone follows a religion they proclaim they are part of.

It would also be nice to see more evidence, like what part of the scripture have these people taken as inspiriation for their acts, and why others think this may have been a misguided interpretation.
 
First, let me thank you for your kind words of greeting, and the civility of your replies to me thus far. If all people of religion we so tolerant, the world would be a better place.
Thank you for this respectful dialogue.

However, the most effective demonization if Islam, in my and many members of my culture's minds, is done by Muslims themselves.
If one looks at the global situation today carefully, they will see that these actions have very little to do with Islam. Terrorists find easy support in the economically and politically disenfrachised citizens of many third world countries who see many agressions being committed against Muslims while the super powers of the world turn a blind eye. The west repeatedly underestimates the significance of many issues in creating anti-western sentiment across the world. Atrocites such as Abu Ghraib, or ignoring the acts of agression being committed against Muslims in many place that I listed earlier, these all contribute to the situation. The response you saw about the cartoon was merely the result of a build up of anger being finally triggered.

So the issue here is not about Islam's teachings, but about a growing crisis in many third world countries across the globe.

Some may argue that it is the nature of the media, but Muslims will naturally find it unfair when there are hundreds of scholars condemning acts of terror in one location and one person calling for acts of terror in another, and the media chooses to focus on the latter because it makes a more interesting story.

The list of apparantly deranged behaviour is getting longer all the time.
Because the list of the percieved injustices is likewise getting longer.

If I was a moderate muslim, I would not cease the denunciation of these acts of depravity until they stopped, for they tarnish your religion almost beyone hope in the minds now of many.
We have not and will never cease the denunciation of these acts of depravity and this is what all our scholars have said, yet naturally little of that comes through in the media to the wider western audience.

Thanks once again for your post.
 
Ahh, my brother. You are a breath of fresh air. I would love to be a spectator in a debate between yourself and some of your Muslim brethren here. Participants in the 'New Mujhaideen Pics' for example, or mizan_aliashraf. There are those on this board who seem to think that it is acceptable to comit acts of violence in the name of Islam, and to take pleasure in doing so.

You are among the very few here that give me hope that there can be meaningful dialogue between our two cultures. I hope and trust that your voice is not drowned out.

wasalam
 
Hi fedbear,
Thanks once again for your kind words.

To the best of my knowledge, the majority of Muslims on this forum share very similar views to mine. If you would like my comments in a particular thread, please feel free to send me the link.

Regards
 
I don't say that USA wants war. But I think they are prepared for precision strike on Iran. And conflict Europe-muslims is good only for USA and Israel.


I disagree brother I think if anyone is preparing to strike Iran its not the US is Isreal. I dont think the US will even put it self in that position it will be a huge blowed and People in the US will not approve of it. i dont think the idea is even going to make through congress.


:)
 
More and more immigrants are reacting violently to the foul treatment they recieve. Unless someone thinks of something soon, it's all going to go very wrong indeed.

Personally, I am terrified, and am looking for new ways to colonize the moon!

I think you are exagerating a lot. Things ain't that bad, at least not everywhere. The only two countries that are "lost" are France and Spain, and to be honest, we didn't like them that much anyway, did we? :)
 
What I don’t understand is why it is ok to paint all the Danish with the same brush.
What I mean is when the 7/7 bombings happened in London I never felt that the bombers represented all Muslims, There was no boycott of Muslims. No mass protest against Muslims (Although there were a few idiots who attacked Muslims because of the event).

It just seems a little hypocritical to call a boycott of Denmark because of a few people did something wrong. Would you think it was ok to boycott Muslims because they did something wrong, hope you know what I mean.
 
The riots had nothing to do with the cartoons. They just used it as an excuse. Both the danish and the norwegian newspapers apologised and still it just continues. Now we even know that the cartoons were printed in Egypt a long time ago with abolutely no reaction from muslims there. Obviously someone is using this story for what it's worth..
 
look mate.
1. could you please post your replies in one post rather than use so many short ones, it gets annoying.
2. i never said there was raping of thousands, but rather i said that various crimes, including the ones mentioned, were commited against them. but fair enough, i will make another adjustment to my first post for you.
3. Please do not argue this here as it is not the place for it. I did not start the thread for the purpose of disussing the 'greatness' of the american army. if you wish to persue such a debate, please find a more suitable thread.

and by the way, micheal jackon has no relievance to this topic!! just becuase he is a pop singer doesnt mean that his opinion is worthy or whatever. please, if you are trying to increase you post count, this is not the place to do it! you can get warnings for that. please be careful.
some1 is really pissed off :grumbling:grumbling:grumbling:grumbling:grumbling:grumbling:grumbling:grumbling:grumbling:grumbling:grumbling
 
Well Let Me Say ......''are Cartoons Worse Than Murder''.......they Sure Are, But By The Way Once You Disrespect The Prophet Of Islam, Thats Not A ''cartoon'' Anymore.....watta Bout The Flag Of Your Country, Is That Just A Flag Or Does It Have Meaning.......''remember We Are A People Who Love Death More Than Life''
 
The riots had nothing to do with the cartoons.
It certainly is true that the outrage stems deeper than just the cartoons as I pointed out earlier:
Ansar Al-'Adl said:
The reaction you have witnessed is related to what these caricatures really signify. Muslims feel that there has been an on-going campaign undertaken by many elements within the western media to malign and demonize Islam. Islam and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh has been repeatedly attacked and at a time when we need to reach out and increase our understanding of different minority groups we find that instead misconceptions and slanderous comments are being propagated. When these cartoons were published, the Muslim community in Denmark and other western countries felt that the percieved attack on Islam had now become obvious. The cartoons represented a malicious attempt to malign Islam and incite more hatred towards the Muslim community. This is why the Muslims felt that they needed to voice loud protest and cause the world to realize that we cannot continue to propagate hatred towards others if we intend to promote peace.

Regards
 

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