Cartoons in Europe, whats your opinion....

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This is exactly why westerners tend to be anti-Muslim. There is no way that I, or anyone I know will willingly submit to Islam.

I expect that but at the end of the day, the whole world will be muslim
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I might add that as a non-Muslim I find the label "Kafr" to be blasphemous. I am not going to launch street protests and burn embassies but I think you should know that I and many other non-Muslims find it offensive.

A true Muslim is able to accept all people's for their different beliefs. I would judge your comments LI Oldtime as being "un-Muslim". Islam is a religion of peace and has existed alongside communities of Christians and Hindus for centuries. Your kind of comment simply alienates Muslims from non-Muslims and contributes to the current conflict. I, as a believer in humanity accept you for your belief in Islam, and I respect Islam as a great religion.
 
Greetings,

sumay28 said:
I saw a movie a while back ago where Alanis Moressette played a God who didn't speak!
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That's Dogma, a film by the great Kevin Smith. Brilliant flick!

Peace
 
wysiwyg said:
This is exactly why westerners tend to be anti-Muslim. There is no way that I, or anyone I know will willingly submit to Islam.



I might add that as a non-Muslim I find the label "Kafr" to be blasphemous. I am not going to launch street protests and burn embassies but I think you should know that I and many other non-Muslims find it offensive.

A true Muslim is able to accept all people's for their different beliefs. I would judge your comments LI Oldtime as being "un-Muslim". Islam is a religion of peace and has existed alongside communities of Christians and Hindus for centuries. Your kind of comment simply alienates Muslims from non-Muslims and contributes to the current conflict. I, as a believer in humanity accept you for your belief in Islam, and I respect Islam as a great religion.
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Peace and blessings upon you

The friend brothers and sisters said 1 good thing and 1 bad thing heh,

1st) Every non muslim will be named a kafir

2nd) All religions even though they are a kafir should live in harmony with Muslims

If anyone had ever paid attention to muslim history under salahuddin and other muslim empires, jews and christians were allowed to live with Muslims no problem. Until the Lionheart of England thought differently.
 
Greetings,
wysiwyg said:
I might add that as a non-Muslim I find the label "Kafr" to be blasphemous. I am not going to launch street protests and burn embassies but I think you should know that I and many other non-Muslims find it offensive.
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Kaffir is a word that can be used in a nasty way, but essentially it just means 'non-Muslim', so I wouldn't get too worried about it.

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


Kaffir is a word that can be used in a nasty way, but essentially it just means 'non-Muslim', so I wouldn't get too worried about it.

Peace
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Actually Kuffir means a person

Who knows about islam and THEN rejects it...

Thts what a kaffir is

SaLaMz
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


Kaffir is a word that can be used in a nasty way, but essentially it just means 'non-Muslim', so I wouldn't get too worried about it.

Peace
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I'm not worried about it, however, I am aware of the power of labels. No other religion that I know of uses them to apply to non-believers. Christians used to refer to them as Philistines, but that is no longer used that I know of. Creating a label for non-believers creates an atmosphere of "us and them" and contributes to the current conflict between us and them. In line with 21st century efforts at non-discriminatory non-racist practice I think that Muslims who are keen for westerners not to blaspheme their religion need to start thinking of changing the way they they represent non-Muslims, starting with removal of labels such as kafr and infidel from polite conversation.
 
Greetings wysiwyg,

That's an excellent point, and I concur. It'd be interesting to hear some thoughts from others on this.

Tasneem said:
Actually Kuffir means a person

Who knows about islam and THEN rejects it...
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I think you'd be hard pushed to find someone who doesn't know about Islam these days.

Peace
 
wysiwyg said:
I'm not worried about it, however, I am aware of the power of labels. No other religion that I know of uses them to apply to non-believers. Christians used to refer to them as Philistines, but that is no longer used that I know of. Creating a label for non-believers creates an atmosphere of "us and them" and contributes to the current conflict between us and them. In line with 21st century efforts at non-discriminatory non-racist practice I think that Muslims who are keen for westerners not to blaspheme their religion need to start thinking of changing the way they they represent non-Muslims, starting with removal of labels such as kafr and infidel from polite conversation.
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:offended: :rant: :rollseyes :offended:

SaLaMz
 
Tasneem, you're offended!!? Do we have to start thinking that all Muslims are made of Dresden China (ie very fragile)?:?

Should I have not said that? Do I now have to apologise in the name of Allah?

Saleem
 
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I think you have misunderstood, The word Kafir means disbeliever (of Islam). Sadly, it is common nowadays to be used as an insult e.g. "oi you effin kafir."
 
wysiwyg said:
Tasneem, you're offended!!? Do we have to start thinking that all Muslims are made of Dresden China (ie very fragile)?:?

Should I have not said that? Do I now have to apologise in the name of Allah?

Saleem
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[MAD]OFF TOPIC!!!![/MAD]
 
"Kaffir" in the English dictionary is a historical term referring to the Bantu people. In South Africa it is a derogatory term for a black African. The English dictionary is a book, like the Koran is to Muslims, that English people revere.

I'm beginning to wonder, Tasneen, that it is alright for Muslims to be offended by cartoons or words but not for non-Muslims. If so then I think that everyone should know so that then there will be peace.

Saleem
 
wysiwyg said:
"Kaffir" in the English dictionary is a historical term referring to the Bantu people. In South Africa it is a derogatory term for a black African. The English dictionary is a book, like the Koran is to Muslims, that English people revere.
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That is a completely different word to Kafir. Although the spelling is very similar.
 
aamirsaab said:
That is a completely different word to Kafir. Although the spelling is very similar.
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Actually it is the same word. Dutch settlers picked it up from Muslims in the region who referred to Black Africans and kaffirs. They use it in a strictly racial sense, but it comes from Arabic.
 
Islam is a great way of life. If the whole world were Muslim we'd live in a near-perfect world.
 
So if the English or Dutch or whoever took an arabic word and altered or misinterpreted the meaning in their dictionary, does that mean those who speak arabic should stop using the word??? I think not... to me the word means non beliver and Im sure I'll continue to use it.
 
sumay28 said:
Islam is a great way of life. If the whole world were Muslim we'd live in a near-perfect world.
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I agree, but this also applies to all religions, edit Islam and put any religion and anyone from edited religion would agree with your post.
 
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HeiGou said:
Actually it is the same word. Dutch settlers picked it up from Muslims in the region who referred to Black Africans and kaffirs. They use it in a strictly racial sense, but it comes from Arabic.
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The meaning is different - the word kafir, like i said before, means disbeliever. However, it has been used in the wrong sense for a long time and so is now a derogatory term as people use it for the wrong reasons. Take for example the number two. On the internet and in text messages, the number 2 is used as a substitute for the word "to" and/or "too". This doesn't mean that 2 means too or to :).
 
Back to Topic, - I think that these Pictures are degrading and an insult to a religion of peace,

Further i fail to believe that the Authors did not know that they would cause offence and were testing the "Boundries of free speech" My reponse is the same as Dr Azim Tamimi "Who are you bull s****ing"
 

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