UK troops brutally abuse Iraqi teens

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Salam Alaikam

THE ONLY PEOPLE TO USE ATOMIC BOMBS, USA!
crUSAders!

THE ONLY SOCIETY THATS DECAYING, USA!

CORRUPT GOVT OVER $$$, USA!

Dont get wrong i like the US people, i live in NYC lol but the govt eh nonono

Well it is true that the US is the only country to use atomic bombs. They are, after all, very clever people and have invented many things first before anyone else. It is noticeable that they have not used them for 60 years or so despite having them. Would Muslim (that is to say, Muslim, not Islamic) countries have done any different? Well they did not invent the Bomb. And they have not managed to make one (except for Pakistan). But they have managed to make chemical weapons. Have they been happy to use those WMDs on each other? Well Egypt used them in Yemen. Iraq used them in Iraqi Kurdistan and Iran.

As for the US decaying, that may be true in some general term. But I would give money that the US, which has been stable for a long time, will go on being stable for longer. Rebellion is not what the US does because of the system, as imperfect as it is, works. Does anyone think there is a single Muslim regime that will outlast the US? Saudi Arabia? Iran? Syria?

As for corruption, let me point you to the figures from your site, count the Muslim (not Islamic) countries ahead of the US.

#1 Bangladesh 8.7
#2 Nigeria 8.6
#3 Haiti 8.5
#4 Burma 8.4
#5 Paraguay 8.4
#6 Azerbaijan 8.2
#7 Cameroon 8.2
#8 Tajikistan 8.2
#9 Angola 8.2
#10 Georgia 8.2
#11 Indonesia 8.1
#12 Kenya 8.1
#13 Papua New Guinea 7.9
#14 Kyrgyzstan 7.9
#15 Libya 7.9
#16 Iraq 7.8
#17 Congo, Republic of the 7.8
#18 Ecuador 7.8
#19 Sierra Leone 7.8
#20 Uganda 7.8
#21 Bolivia 7.7
#22 Ukraine 7.7
#23 Zimbabwe 7.7
#24 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of 7.7
#25 Sudan 7.7
#26 Honduras 7.7
#27 Moldova 7.6
#28 Uzbekistan 7.6
#29 Vietnam 7.6
#30 Kazakhstan 7.6
#31 Venezuela 7.6
#32 Guatemala 7.6
#33 Argentina 7.5
#34 Ethiopia 7.5
#35 Philippines 7.5
#36 Albania 7.5
#37 Pakistan 7.5
#38 Tanzania 7.5
#39 Zambia 7.5
#40 Gambia, The 7.5
#41 Algeria 7.4
#42 Yemen 7.4
#43 Madagascar 7.4
#44 Nicaragua 7.4
#45 Mozambique 7.3
#46 Russia 7.3
#47 India 7.2
#48 Malawi 7.2
#49 Romania 7.2
#50 Mali 7
#51 Armenia 7
#52 Iran 7
#53 Lebanon 7
#54 Turkey 6.9
#55 Senegal 6.8
#56 Thailand 6.7
#57 Dominican Republic 6.7
#58 Ghana 6.7
#59 Egypt 6.7
#60 Morocco 6.7
#61 Bosnia and Herzegovina 6.7
#62 Sri Lanka 6.6
#63 China 6.6
#64 Syria 6.6
#65 Panama 6.6
#66 Poland 6.4
#67 Mexico 6.4
#68 Croatia 6.3
#69 El Salvador 6.3
#70 Peru 6.3
#71 Slovakia 6.3
#72 Colombia 6.3
#73 Latvia 6.2
#74 Jamaica 6.2
#75 Czech Republic 6.1
#76 Bulgaria 6.1
#77 Brazil 6.1
#78 Belarus 5.8
#79 Korea, South 5.7
#80 Greece 5.7
#81 Costa Rica 5.7
#82 Mauritius 5.6
#83 South Africa 5.6
#84 Saudi Arabia 5.5
#85 Belize 5.5
#86 Cuba 5.4
#87 Jordan 5.4
#88 Trinidad and Tobago 5.4
#89 Namibia 5.3
#90 Lithuania 5.3
#91 Hungary 5.2
#92 Tunisia 5.1
#93 United Arab Emirates 4.8
#94 Malaysia 4.8
#95 Kuwait 4.7
#96 Italy 4.7
#97 Estonia 4.5
#98 Uruguay 4.5
#99 Qatar 4.4
#100 Taiwan 4.3
#101 Botswana 4.3
#102 Slovenia 4.1
#103 Bahrain 3.9
#104 Cyprus 3.9
#105 Oman 3.7
#106 Portugal 3.4
#107 France 3.1
#108 Spain 3.1
#109 Japan 3
#110 Israel 3
#111 Chile 2.6
#112 United States 2.5
#113 Ireland 2.5
#114 Belgium 2.4
#115 Germany 2.3
#116 Hong Kong 2
#117 Austria 2
#118 United Kingdom 1.3
#119 Canada 1.3
#120 Luxembourg 1.3
#121 Switzerland 1.2
#122 Australia 1.2
#123 Norway 1.2
#124 Netherlands 1.1
#125 Sweden 0.7
#126 Singapore 0.6
#127 New Zealand 0.5
#128 Denmark 0.5
#129 Iceland 0.4
#130 Finland 0.3
 
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Video Of Soldiers beating Little Kids

You won't see this happening in Islamic states because their governments censor the media, yet we all know that it does. What this video depicts is disgusting, and Muslim viewers should learn from this that one should never let too much power get in the hands of government, through any kind of law, including sharia law. That is why we have freedom of the press in the west, to help us to stop these kinds of actions against citizens. There will be consequences as a result of these videos for which we have only the press to thank. Those consequences will mean that it is less likely to happen again. No such checks and balances exist in Muslim countries.

Salaam
 
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If any christian or athiest on this board still tries to degrade Islam in the manner of accusing it of being horrible religion of hate violence or intolerance watch this video.

I have never accused Islam of being a religion of hate, but out of curiousity, why does this video, whatever it shows, proof anything either way? Are you saying, I take it there are Westerners beating children in said pictures, that this is unique to the Western world? That Muslims never do such things? That no child has been beating on a regular basis in Pakistani madrassas? That this somehow proves that Islam is something and the West is something else?
 
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Video Of Soldiers beating Little Kids

You won't see this happening in Islamic states because their governments censor the media, yet we all know that it does. What this video depicts is disgusting, and Muslim viewers should learn from this that one should never let too much power get in the hands of government, through any kind of law, including sharia law. That is why we have freedom of the press in the west, to help us to stop these kinds of actions against citizens. There will be consequences as a result of these videos for which we have only the press to thank. Those consequences will mean that it is less likely to happen again. No such checks and balances exist in Muslim countries.

Salaam


Oh yeah you help stop these things you stop them right?

Guantamano bay? What happen the media the soldiers OH THATS RIGHT THE SOLDIERS GOT ONLY A FEW MONTHS

Oh These soldiers im sure they will be contragadulated by other prison mates.
Dont give me that trying to justify your way.

The women that are being raped and beaten in Abu ghraib? Thats the western media right there for ya?

OHHH WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!! your talking about the western media that never showed the bin laden tape where he denied the 9/11 attacks Oh that Media!

Uh oh wait a minute you forgot to add my friend the media that states its true.

First of all you if you live in the west know the Media never gives the true story of things in majority of cases?
 
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As for you, I will fix you abit

First of all, Saudia arabia and iran have been monarchies for thousands of years. America what 250+ years and what decaying ?
 
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Guantamano bay? What happen the media the soldiers OH THATS RIGHT THE SOLDIERS GOT ONLY A FEW MONTHS

Well that was not good. But perhaps you could tell me when anyone in any Islamic or Muslim country got even two weeks for abusing detainees in their prisons? Iran operated death squads that killed liberal journalists. How long did they get in prison?

And incidentally, here are the sentences of the convicted so far,

* Specialist Charles Graner was found guilty on January 14, 2005 of all charges, including conspiracy to maltreat detainees, failing to protect detainees from abuse, cruelty, and maltreatment, as well as charges of assault, indecency, adultery, and obstruction of justice. On January 15, 2005, he was sentenced to ten years in federal prison.
* Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick pled guilty on October 20, 2004 to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault and committing an indecent act in exchange for other charges being dropped. His abuses included making three prisoners masturbate. He also punched one prisoner so hard in the chest that he needed resuscitation. He was sentenced to eight years in prison, forfeiture of pay, a dishonorable discharge and a reduction in rank to private.
* Jeremy Sivits was sentenced on May 19, 2004 by a special court-martial (less severe than "general"; confinement sentence limited to one year) to the maximum one-year sentence, in addition to being discharged for bad conduct and demoted, upon his plea of guilty.
* Specialist Armin Cruz of the 325th Military Intelligence Battalion was sentenced on September 11, 2004 to eight months confinement, reduction in rank to private and a bad conduct discharge in exchange for his testimony against other soldiers.[20]
* Sabrina Harman was sentenced on May 17, 2005 to six months in prison and a bad conduct discharge after being convicted on six of the seven counts. She had faced a maximum sentence of 5 years.
* Megan Ambuhl was convicted on October 30, 2004, of dereliction of duty and sentenced to reduction in rank to private and loss of a half-month’s pay.
* Lynndie England was convicted on September 26, 2005, of one count of conspiracy, four counts of maltreating detainees and one count of committing an indecent act. She was acquitted on a second conspiracy count. England had faced a maximum sentence of ten years, but was sentenced on September 27, 2005, to just 3 years. She received a dishonorable discharge.

The women that are being raped and beaten in Abu ghraib? Thats the western media right there for ya?

What women?
 
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Salam Alaikam

So some say Oh Look what they did cutting the Heads off, Did they not say leave their land for they did not do anything to hurt anyone else?

Why is the head cutting off only occuring In IraQ?


BECAUSE USA BRITISH INVADED THE LAND WITH NO JUSTIFCATION

Weapons of Mass destruction?
Nothing Found

What else is there need to be said?

Well there is something else. Three Indonesian school girls had their heads cut off the other month.

Odd that head cutting does not take place only in Iraq.

Perhaps you might like to tell me why you think these girls were attacked by men who appear to have considered themselves good Muslims?
 
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Assalama Alaikam

Well those are very nice figures, i wonder what happens when their lawyers appeal for good conduct in prison of these soldiers they will get a mere few years. OH And i forgot to mention i went to a federal Prison, For soldiers its heaven, they get congradulated by other prisoners for being heros except the Sheikhs, and imams think otherwise.

Ok what women hmmm i think you should read up on this to be honest im not going to search deep in this. But after a friend of mine who was in iraq noted to me that mistreatment of women and how they were beaten, some raped id take his word for it. thats just Me you can think otherwise
 
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Well there is something else. Three Indonesian school girls had their heads cut off the other month.

Odd that head cutting does not take place only in Iraq.

Perhaps you might like to tell me why you think these girls were attacked by men who appear to have considered themselves good Muslims?


Note me where it says Good Muslim Men Attacked Indonesian Girl,

Like in Afghanistan that women who got shot in the head by the taliban that was bad right? very harsh ya think>?
 
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As for you, I will fix you abit

Hmmm, perhaps you might like to expand on that in case anyone misunderstands your words?

First of all, Saudia arabia and iran have been monarchies for thousands of years. America what 250+ years and what decaying ?

Saudi Arabia dates to the 1920s. Iran is not a monarchy and when it was, its ruling dynasty produced all of two, yep two, Shahs before being overthrown.

I await news of the corruption of US society.
 
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Hmmm, perhaps you might like to expand on that in case anyone misunderstands your words?



Saudi Arabia dates to the 1920s. Iran is not a monarchy and when it was, its ruling dynasty produced all of two, yep two, Shahs before being overthrown.

I await news of the corruption of US society.

I dont know you understood me but my defination of Monarchy is Kingdom,

If you know your history on saudi arabia and Iran they have been kingdoms for hundreds if not thousands and still are in power.

You await the news of the corruption of US Society?
What exactly do you want and where do you want it? I dont know what your asking here?
 
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:sl:
I'm still waiting for condemnation of the mass-murder of innocent civillians.

If you believe that the bombings are justified, I can respect that. I respect honesty. It means that you are strong enough to stand up for what you believe even if it isn't popular. But calling Islam a religion of peace is a stretch if you feel that the London bombings are justifiable. Is it not a sin to Islam to lie?
The london bombings was a bad thing that happened, and sadly they were caused by people who happened to be muslim - this don't mean diddly squat my friend: not every muslim has to now apologise for those few idiots. Same can be said for the denmark issue.

If you wanna talk about justification, how bout nagisaki and hiroshima. Cus they sure as hell weren't justified.

p.s. I am against mass-murder of innocent civilians, I believe that there are more effective ways of dealing with these kinds of situations, a little thing I like to call: negotiations. That being said, do not try and fight me in the middle of the streets, I have stated before, I'll whoop your butt good - I aint no pacifist, push me and you gonna get pushed back.
 
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The truth is that I could not even force my self to look at this. Neither did I forced myself watching the slicing throats of hostages that was everywhere on the Internet at that time. I do not want to see evilness that close I know it is out there in the world but I do not want to watch it. It has nothing to do with not seeing the truth.

Beating up someone, especially a child/youth in hate, is always wrong. How can anyone defend that kind of behaviour? Not me anyway. There is no sane human that can tell you this is all right so I certainly not will tell you that. Evilness is never a thing to defend. Evilness has nothing to do with religion.


Yous should watch itto see how disgusting it is...:heated: :heated: the sick and twisted camraman was shouting "oh yess" loadly as the kids were been beaten... AstagfrAllah Sickening...
 
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:sl:
I didnt like the video btw, crap quality. From what I did understand of it, it's really bad - soldiers hitting civilians - CIVILIANS. Jeez can't even play by the rules properly.
 
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I didnt like the video btw, crap quality. From what I did understand of it, it's really bad - soldiers hitting civilians - CIVILIANS. Jeez can't even play by the rules properly.

According to the media I have seen it shows British soldiers beating four young rioters they had arrested.

That is pretty bad. But let's keep things in perspective. A teacher fled Pakistan the other day after being caught chaining boys up and flogging them if they did not study. He is not the only one either.
 
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Thts terrible

Who would do that to kidz?

Im telling you,those soldiers have problems

SaLaMz
 
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Anyone who brutalises another like that is a bastard. An illegitimate child, if that word doesn't get through the censors.
 
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:sl:
I didnt like the video btw, crap quality. From what I did understand of it, it's really bad - soldiers hitting civilians - CIVILIANS. Jeez can't even play by the rules properly.

i agree....:grumbling
but the quality wasnt bad... maybe u got real slow interenet
 
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:sl:
According to the media I have seen it shows British soldiers beating four young rioters they had arrested.

That is pretty bad. But let's keep things in perspective. A teacher fled Pakistan the other day after being caught chaining boys up and flogging them if they did not study. He is not the only one either.
That guy is a moron and way out of line, just like the soldiers in the vid.

vahid said:
but the quality wasnt bad... maybe u got real slow interenet
I'm on NTL 1 mb. Crap quality as in shakey camera and considerably far away.
 

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