Being Gay

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: Muslim men can marry cathliocs???

Not so - although this is certainly a possibility, it's not something I would assert as being indubitably true. All I'm saying is that if someone has homosexual inclinations and is then strongly (and successfully) advised against them, they will still have the same inclinations - the incliniations will just be repressed. They won't appear on the surface, but they will surely remain latent in the person's psyche.

So you don't think it is possible to remove such inclinations completely (or at least to the extent of heterosexuals, if you agree with the notion that we all have some level of homosexual inclinations).

I don't recall seeing any advice regarding negative social consequences.

It was in the discussion about a family with a mother and father.

Finally, what are the spiritual consequences besides hellfire?

The spiritual consequence is it weakens one's connection with God preventing their soul from attaining true peace.

A very good question. Can you provide me with any examples of this?

Aside from the local examples I know of, I recall reading some online stories of former homosexuals, which I will try to find for you.

Are we assuming that the punishment you speak of is execution?

For gays, yes and for lesbians it is not; instead it is a ta'zir (discretionary) punishment (fatwa).

Now that you mention public acts of homosexuality, I would have thought that changes the scope of the debate considerably. If you're referring to open displays of sodomy in the high street of your local town, I can see why you would find that offensive - I would too. It depends on what you mean by 'publically'.

What I mean by 'publically' is that the guilt must be established by witnesses [or by voluntary confession]. Circumstantial evidence would only be sufficient for a lesser punishment.

If someone is widely known to be a practising homosexual - like Elton John, for example - is he the kind of person you suggest should be punished by execution, or should he only be executed if he was still unrepentant after advice?

If it can be proven through witnesses or voluntary confession that he committed homosexual acts then he would be executed, because the duty of the state is to protect society, and in this case a punishment is given to prevent this immorality from spreading. Consequently, from a practical perspective, there is no way an Islamic state can punish someone commits these acts privately, but if it is known that he is a homosexual, he will be given guidance and advice against it.

Regards

 

[shanu]

homsexuality causes disease. By putting a severe punishment, ppl will think twice abt turning gay. Laws are brought to protect the society, and if homosexuality causes AIDs that may threathen the lives of many, then it should be totally eliminated. Severe punishment is a good start to get rid of this problem

 

[papa_smurf]

Let remember the time of lut (a.s), the people in that city was so indulged in their lust desiring men, that when lut (a.s) showed them the right way of satisfying their sexual desire, they said to him so insolently that they had no desire whatsoever in their women. Such disgusting acts started at the time of lut (a.s).

Lut (a.s) did try alot and asked them many times to go to their wives, and threatend them with severe consequences if they do "not" cease from their evil practice. But sadly they did carry on and Allah send his punishment and what a punishment it was, subhanAllah.

It's best to stay away from gay people. As it's said, God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.:grumbling

 

[akulion]

If anyone agrees to homosexuality what they are basically saying is that they dont mind it being done to them either.

Thats why its called "agreement on the issue"

so whoever supports it contact your YMCA today lol

As for me I disagree with it - i hate it - i despise it - it is haram haram haram

 

[Noor]

Please do not respond to this thread to simply give an opinion. Unless any significant new evidence is going to be brought, or a clarification on Shari'ah law, we don't need anymore posts stating, "It's just wrong" etc.

Reminder to All.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

If anyone agrees to homosexuality what they are basically saying is that they dont mind it being done to them either.

What gives you this idea? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

I'm not gay myself, and the idea of being raped by a gay man is horrifying to me - however, I support the rights of gay people to engage in consenting sexual relations if that's what they want to do.

Peace

 

[iqbal_ibn_adam]

Greetings,


What gives you this idea? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

I'm not gay myself, and the idea of being raped by a gay man is horrifying to me - however, I support the rights of gay people to engage in consenting sexual relations if that's what they want to do.

Peace

Allah (swt) forbid that your son/daughter say they are gay, will u support them?

 

[akulion]

Well since you support it so you say its right

so that means if you approve of a thing then you accept it for yourself as well

its simple logic

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Allah (swt) forbid that your son/daughter say they are gay, will u support them?

Sorry, I don't understand this question. I don't believe in Allah, so it makes no difference to me what he is said to have forbidden.

Well since you support it so you say its right

so that means if you approve of a thing then you accept it for yourself as well

its simple logic

Not so.

I support the right of people to be vegetarians if they want to be, but that doesn't mean I have to become a vegetarian myself.

Peace

 

[akulion]

No you dont have to become a vegetarian but you would not have a problem with eating vegetables only if you had to....can you say ths same about being gay?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings akulion,

No you dont have to become a vegetarian but you would not have a problem with eating vegetables only if you had to....can you say ths same about being gay?

I would have a problem with only eating vegetables, since I like eating meat so much. I would also have a problem with having sex with a man, because I find the idea disgusting. That doesn't mean I should tell others what they should or shouldn't do - if gay men like having sex with each other, that's up to them, not me.

Peace

 

[akulion]

lol come on now you are being stubborn

To support means To Agree - To agree means to believe in - and belief is only demonstrated through actions, not words alone

So how can you support a thing which you dont believe in your heart is right?

Would you support the right for people to have sex with animals?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings akulion,

To support means To Agree - To agree means to believe in - and belief is only demonstrated through actions, not words alone

I support the rights of homosexuals; I agree that they should have those rights; I believe they should have those rights. If I saw a group of people beating up a gay person because they were gay, I would attempt to stop them from doing so, thus indicating my support for the gay person's rights. Since most people in the UK don't have a problem with gay people, this is not a situation I've ever come across. I have stepped in to stop kids at school calling each other gay, which happens a lot, unfortunately.

The point is, just because I support the rights of gay people, it doesn't mean I have to participate in gay sex myself.

So how can you support a thing which you dont believe in your heart is right?

This is not an issue of right and wrong for me - morality doesn't enter into it.

Would you support the right for people to have sex with animals?

No, for many reasons - chief among them the fact that no animal can give consent to such an action, unlike a gay person, who can.

Peace

 

[akulion]

No, for many reasons - chief among them the fact that no animal can give consent to such an action, unlike a gay person, who can.

neither can animals give concent to be eaten or kept as pets or in zoos...

so where does that leave us?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

neither can animals give concent to be eaten or kept as pets or in zoos...

so where does that leave us?

Good point - however, sex with an animal can often cause the animal great harm, and while the same is true in some zoos, I think most of them look after their animals well.

As for animals being eaten - that's just survival of the fittest. I'd strongly object if people were to eat animals whose populations are very low.

Thinking about this zoophilia issue makes me feel pretty ill - it's surely very different from homosexuality. Gay people can get diseases from having sex with each other, but all of these can be caught from hetero-sex too. The same is not true for people who have sex with animals.

Peace

 

[akulion]

Well either ways - I think we can atleast agree to disagree on the topic of homosexuality

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

And on that note we will re-close the thread.



:threadclo

 

[Allahs_slave]

Homos

helloz ...

1- what does islam say about homosexuality? and what is the punishment (hadd) for two homosexuals cought in the act :|..? i always thought that it is to throw them from a high place ... like a mountain or somehting ... but my friend told me that they should be stoned, just like in adultry... it even takes 4 witnesses to accuse them!!

2- IF it was up to you... what punishment would you choose for homosexuals ... id personally choose to bury them alive lol ...


please answer 1 n 2 ...

thank you in advance ..

ur bro .. ahmad

 

[al-fateh]

Re: Homos

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[Umm Yoosuf]

Similar/ topic has been discussed here fully thus thread merged here

Please also refer to this thread:

http://www.islamicboard.com/cyber-counselling/5945-am-i-queer.html?highlight=gays