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I think that annoying muslims will now be a common activity in the west.

Muhammed will soon be one of the most parodied names on the internet. And everyone will be trying to top the response from the Danes.

By doing so, all of the violent idiots will get so worked up into such a frenzy that they will do something crazy enough to justify killing them. After all, the only people that have died from this have been muslims.
 
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if the west is that bad and evil why do muslims emmigrate there why not stay in your own country and let us get on with it. No one asked us whether we wanted to be a multicultural society
 
Why have I just got a warning, its the truth though, there has never been a referendum on whether we should be a multicultural society. Maybe it would be better if we lived in seperate countries and mind our own business. As for leaving muslim countries alone I presume you mean afghanistan and iraq. Its already been mention that Iraq was worse off under sadams rule, if the west didnt get involved sadam would still be in power now and you'd all be begging the west for help. As for afghanistan, growing poppies to supply the world with opium, again the west had to get involved, it has been mentioned under taliban rule this never happened until the US/UN got involved, for such a peace teaching religion, even if it were because of the US/UN, why would a peace keeping muslim farmer grow a drug that kills thousands, abit contradictory. Thats our excuse for being in muslim countries, whats muslims excuse for being in ours. FOR A BETTER WAY OF LIFE !!! if not why else would muslims be here.
 
Why have I just got a warning, its the truth though, there has never been a referendum on whether we should be a multicultural society. Maybe it would be better if we lived in seperate countries and mind our own business. As for leaving muslim countries alone I presume you mean afghanistan and iraq. Its already been mention that Iraq was worse off under sadams rule, if the west didnt get involved sadam would still be in power now and you'd all be begging the west for help.
Ironically enough, several weeks ago some of the Iraqi people actually wanted him back.

As for afghanistan, growing poppies to supply the world with opium, again the west had to get involved, it has been mentioned under taliban rule this never happened until the US/UN got involved, for such a peace teaching religion, even if it were because of the US/UN, why would a peace keeping muslim farmer grow a drug that kills thousands, abit contradictory. Thats our excuse for being in muslim countries, whats muslims excuse for being in ours. FOR A BETTER WAY OF LIFE !!! if not why else would muslims be here.

Of course America had to do it. I mean, they are the single saviours of the world (everybody say takbir!).
God forbid that they don't intervene with other countries and set up the American way of life - disrupting existing laws and rulings in that country.

Also, marijuana is used as a depressant - like any drug excess consumption or inhilation (sp) can prove fatal. It's not the farmer's fault that some buyers use it for reasons other than medicinal purposes is it (e.g. get high on it).

Marijuana is a drug just like any other. It just happens to grow in Afghanistan and certain people use it to get high.
 
Greetings,

It seems like there are quite a few discussions going on in here, not to mention that some of them are pretty off-topic! I thought I would respond to some points being made by Robert.Lane:

Islam is peace, dont seem very peaceful at the minute, id say quite the opposite.

I think that you are over-generalising on the one hand (in some of your posts) and also not making an important distinction; Islam is a religion and Muslims are people who try to follow that religion as best they can. Therefore we can say that Islam does not teach violence, yet some of its followers do not adhere so closely to its teachings, and thus show a false image to the world.

I understand that you feel all this protesting is drawing even more attention to the cartoons, and it's true. Protesting and rioting probably wasn't the best way to deal with the situation. It certainly isn't something that we are plainly taught. So what we should understand is that there are many Muslims out there - including scholars and people of knowledge - who condemn the violence and mayhem being caused by people who have not controlled their anger and vented their emotions in an unrepresentative way of Islam. Therefore grouping them under the same umbrella is not fair for all those who are not in agreement with such actions.

banners down in London said it all, Kill those who talk bad about mohammed. I dont know the bloke or really care.
The banners were not acceptable and in no way should be taken seriously to represent the views of all the Muslims who were not present in the protest. There have, however, been many peaceful responses to the cartoons that have unfortunately, not been noted.

if the west is that bad and evil why do muslims emmigrate there why not stay in your own country and let us get on with it. No one asked us whether we wanted to be a multicultural society
Well Muslims are in fact encouraged to migrate to a Muslim country where they will be able to practice their religion freely. Sadly, there is no country which implements Islam 100% and some Muslims don't have the ability to migrate anyway. It is, however, acceptable for Muslims to remain in a non-Muslim country in order to try and teach Islam while practising it as much as possible. Not all Muslims are like the ones you see on television, so while they might lead you to make judgements about others, please bear this fact in mind. Also, I believe Britain chose to be a multicultural society, and I hope by doing so we can be more tolerant and understanding of each others' beliefs, in addition to being able to have the freedom to practice them and the right to have them respected.

Evil seems to be the root of all evil, people pick an choose what they want to keep even though their religion blantantly says otherwise. Whether it be cristians, jew, moslims etc.. you are all hypocrites.
I hope we can see that this is a gross generalisation of millions of people. You are right that there are people out there who pick and choose their religion, however, this does not make all followers of the respective religions hypocrites.

You all worship the same god, there is only one god, but yet you all argue and fight over prophets. If moses, jesus, and mohamed were here today to see what theyve created they feel sick of them selves and sent you all to hell. Youre all as bad as each other, I guess you all deserve the suffering you afflict on each other. RELIGION the root of all EVIL!!!
There are a few misunderstandings here. Firstly, while the God of Islam, Christianity and Judaism is essentially the same, He is not recognised by everyone as being the same, and there are differences in all three religions as to the true identity and commandments of that God. We also believe in the same Prophets, but again they are viewed differently in the different religions.

Furthermore, while I agree that the world is not a perfect place; this is not the fault of any Prophet nor is it in their power to decide the destiny of anyone - that is an attribute of God only.

The last few assertions were rather unnecessary and I would advise you to avoid doing this again in future for the reasons that they are untrue, baseless and unhelpful.

My God is the same as yours the jews and the christians. You all believe in the same God but give him different names and have different ways of serving him. As for the name of God, who knows. He knows what he's doing and this is all meant to happen and one day we'll all feel like a bunch of --- when He shows us the truth.
Here, you correctly identified the case that the three faiths seem to have different ways of serving the same God. However, it is important to realise that God did not leave mankind without any means of finding the truth. He established evidence and proofs to allow us to distinguish between falsehood and truth; He sent Prophets to various nations to remind and guide them to what was correct; hence if we follow any path, we need to examine what evidence and authority it has in order to convince ourselves that it is indeed the true path to success.
In Islam, this evidence and proof is magnificently established through our holy book, the Qur'an, and through the teachings left behind by our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Of course there are people who act contrary to these teachings, yet that does not render them any less valid.

Why have I just got a warning
This warning is a result of your previous comments in this thread which were uncalled for. If you have any further enquiries about it, please feel free to contact me via private messaging.

Regards :).
 
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get real they know exactly what its for, do you really think that they have all them thousands of acres of poppies for medicinal puroses. What wonderous drug do you get from poppies for medical purposes. r u for real!!!
 
rob, what u mean separate countries? based on colour or creed? Indeed the west are doing a marvellous job in liberating the freedom of the oppressed arent they? :rollseyes I gather you seen the footage of continous bombardment of killing civilians, torture and not the mention friendly fire!. Bush and co are no different to the evil regime of saddam. You'r probably aware both invasions were deemed illegal and the humiliation and embarassment is evident enough.. found those WMD's? Who says we cant co-exist and be tolerant to each other faiths?
 
They didnt need to find WMD's sadam had already used chemical weapons (WMD's) on the kurds his own people, as ive mentioned earlier. tolerant means you put up with something you dont agree to. Why should we be tolerant after all you have come to this country and look at all the problems there has been. If the west went to Iraq and started putting up churches or synagoges theyre would be murder. You should be grateful for what this country has done for you, parading down london doesnt really do you selves any favors and as soon as someone mentions it you all say its unacceptable but then youll soon go running down to protest once our backs are turned
 
Greetings,
get real they know exactly what its for, do you really think that they have all them thousands of acres of poppies for medicinal puroses. What wonderous drug do you get from poppies for medical purposes. r u for real!!!

The poppies you speak of produce opium, the active ingredient of which is morphine, the greatest natural painkiller known to mankind. The synthesis known as heroin is related to morphine (in its pure form it's known as diamorphine), and that is the most effective painkiller known to mankind, natural or synthetic. When being treated in hospitals for extreme pain, in most cases what patients are given is diamorphine - nothing less than pure heroin. It has medical purposes, but as we all know it can be abused - its painkilling properties are highly addictive.

Peace
 
you learn something new everyday. . . still doesnt change the fact that the farmers over there know exactly what theyre selling and its not just for the said legitimate purose but for drug lords supplying the world and killing thousands
 
rob, remind me once again what was the sole intention of bush in invading iraq?? elaborate on the probs that have been caused upon arrival as you put it, presuming muslims? Any examples of this country doing favours, asides from the mass murder of civilans etc.
 
Greetings,
you learn something new everyday. . . still doesnt change the fact that the farmers over there know exactly what theyre selling and its not just for the said legitimate purose but for drug lords supplying the world and killing thousands

You're quite right. However, these farmers are very poor, and they've got a choice to make. Either grow something to feed the population of their country, or grow something that's immensely profitable, but which can have very harmful effects if abused.

Why is heroin so profitable? Because it's illegal in so many countries, and those who sell the drug to addicts do not need to use marketing...

Peace
 
Greetings Flagellum Dei,

Are you the Whip of God? Welcome to the forum! :)



Every blasphemy comes from Jews? Never heard that one before.

The art exhibition sounds interesting, although I know for a fact Nietzsche wasn't a Jew...

Peace

FlagellumDei was the name of the legendary hun king Attila! :) I think about THIS conflict (cartoons) this is a jewish intrigues, that make conflict between western and eastern world! I spoke about Nietsche like a new yorker, jewish artist, not about the philosopher in 19th century! Ok? ;-)
 
I think the leave a tape for Dawa. The CIA does not usually get the tape, but a media outlet. Maybe there is only one cameraman who works for all the Jihadis. Who knows? They do not look alike to me. I saw all of the tape made by the guy who blew himself up in London. It was shown on TV too.

Let me make this simple. Answer me these questions,

1. Do you believe what the Goverment have told you about 9/11
2. What do you think pushes a perfectly happy teenager into blowing himself up leaving behind his child and wife.
3. Do you trust Bush and Blair?
4. Do you feel that the war on Terror is to root out Terroist.
5. Do you think the war on iraq was to remove a Dictator Saddam from power.
6. DO you think Iran is wrong in thier policies.

Knuckles this one for you too!!!
 
Let me make this simple. Answer me these questions,

1. Do you believe what the Goverment have told you about 9/11

I don't think the government has told me very much. I tend to believe what the media have told me about 9-11.

2. What do you think pushes a perfectly happy teenager into blowing himself up leaving behind his child and wife.

His religious faith.

3. Do you trust Bush and Blair?

Well mildly I suppose. Not as much as I used to.

4. Do you feel that the war on Terror is to root out Terroist.

Yes.

5. Do you think the war on iraq was to remove a Dictator Saddam from power.

Yes.

6. DO you think Iran is wrong in thier policies.

Which policies? In general, yes.
 
you learn something new everyday. . . still doesnt change the fact that the farmers over there know exactly what theyre selling and its not just for the said legitimate purose but for drug lords supplying the world and killing thousands

I agree with you that those that Sell Drugs and Make or Prouduce Drugs are Killers. My Cousin lives in Afghanistan, He lives in an Village that had yards and yards of this drug. Under the Taliban regime they were not allowed to sell or grow this. Most went into Debt. Yes like any OTHER power there were a few that were corrupt and they would allow the Farmers to grow in a small section of thier land away from public view.

My Cousin who has lived in Afghansitan was sayign that the Country has fallen to bits. Ovbsiouly you dont see this on the TV, as the Media only goona show all the GOOD parts. But he goes that where he s lives and near by there is constant bombing and the lands are dry. Where they would grow crops have been bombed YET the parts that they grow Drugs are UNDER THE miltary control and NOW again the Drug is being produced!!
 
I don't think the government has told me very much. I tend to believe what the media have told me about 9-11.

But media has showed you like 300 hundred different stories. Im not sure whether you watched 9/11 Conspircies it came on channel 4 last year and they showed almost 7 stories each with evidence. SO what do you believe happened on that day?


His religious faith..

Do you think that this is the same for ALL the Suicide Bombings.


Well mildly I suppose. Not as much as I used to..

What made you changed your mind?




Why do you feel that America never started this was on Terror in countries like Israel, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Jordon,??????????



You beileve that war which has cost Billions of pounds, Jepordised the reputation of Blair and Bush, Made enimies with other countries, Broke UN rules, Cost lives was all to remove Saddam?



Which policies? In general, yes.

Nuclear Weapons!
 
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Robert.Lane@Ora said:
you learn something new everyday. . . still doesnt change the fact that the farmers over there know exactly what theyre selling and its not just for the said legitimate purose but for drug lords supplying the world and killing thousands.

If that is the case, what was the point of American forces coming in to Afghanistan? To prevent it from reaching the states? Ha, fat lot of good that did. Also, many people require marijuana for the reasons czgibson stated - some of them are americans - this is probably a more believable reason to "invade" afghanistan - 'take their drugs because we need em'. Whilst marijuana has as you claimed killed thousands of people, it has also saved thousands.


p.s. compared to veitnam, hiroshima and nagasaki, 9/11 was nothing.
 
Greetings aamirsaab,
If that is the case, what was the point of American forces coming in to Afghanistan? To prevent it from reaching the states? Ha, fat lot of good that did. Also, many people require marijuana for the reasons czgibson stated - some of them are americans - this is probably a more believable reason to "invade" afghanistan - 'take their drugs because we need em'. Whilst marijuana has as you claimed killed thousands of people, it has also saved thousands.

The drug that comes from the poppies is morphine, not marijuana. Marijuana is totally different. Marijuana is a plant (also known as cannabis) whose leaves are smoked by users for a euphoric, giggly effect. It's not a particularly effective painkiller, and in over 10,000 years of use, not one person has died as a result of using it.

Peace
 

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