After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

[itsme01]

I definitely agree that the existence of consensual sex does not make the abduction of women appropriate. I'm just not convinced that there has actually been an increase in the ill treatment of women (in the sexual nature) since the US has been in Iraq. Being that Iraq now has more freedom, these individual cases are now being reported. I doubt that during the Ba'athis regime, they were officially reported.

Thats very possible - But at the same time there has to be an increase since now the offenders are free to roam the street, no law what so ever. Also, what has and is going on in prison is not setting a good example and view of US to the world.

There are huge misconceptions in both West and East regarding each society and its values. And this misconception is turning into a reality with the attrocities that the US-Army has commited with their Allies.

Please note: That we (Canada) is in West as well, but look at the Image it has in the World compared to US. Look at the Work that Canada is doing in Afghanistan - compared to what US did.
Its not very difficult to acknolwedge why is it so. And this latest invasion - has brought nothing good to Iraq or to World.

 

[renak]

Thats very possible - But at the same time there has to be an increase since now the offenders are free to roam the street, no law what so ever. Also, what has and is going on in prison is not setting a good example and view of US to the world.

There are huge misconceptions in both West and East regarding each society and its values. And this misconception is turning into a reality with the attrocities that the US-Army has commited with their Allies.

Please note: That we (Canada) is in West as well, but look at the Image it has in the World compared to US. Look at the Work that Canada is doing in Afghanistan - compared to what US did.
Its not very difficult to acknolwedge why is it so. And this latest invasion - has brought nothing good to Iraq or to World.

The abuses are horrific; however, they occur in all wars (always have and always will).

No offense but one can't compare the US and Canada. The US is more of a military power, and financial contributor to the world in general.

I would argue that the invasion of Iraq will be viewed in much more positive manner as time progresses. Give Iraq a time to organize, heal, and regroup, then their impression of the invasion will more than likely change. For years Iraq has been calling out to the world to be "rescued". Well, they have been "rescued" from the Ba'athist and the process of rebuilding is something they will need to be patient with.

 

[snowdropjasmine]

They are cold-blooded murders :grumbling

 

[renak]

They are cold-blooded murders :grumbling

Do you care to explain your reasoning?

 

[itsme01]

The abuses are horrific; however, they occur in all wars (always have and always will).

No offense but one can't compare the US and Canada. The US is more of a military power, and financial contributor to the world in general.

I would argue that the invasion of Iraq will be viewed in much more positive manner as time progresses. Give Iraq a time to organize, heal, and regroup, then their impression of the invasion will more than likely change. For years Iraq has been calling out to the world to be "rescued". Well, they have been "rescued" from the Ba'athist and the process of rebuilding is something they will need to be patient with.

No offense: but thats just laughable.
A very brief point form Summary of Invasion:
1- Iraq has WMD (no such thing)
2- Iraq has Biological Weapons (no such thing)
3- Saddam was put in place by the US
4- After Baghdad fell, The US showed its true Colour by Placing the US Flag
5- Use of Plutonium Shells*
6- Use of Phosphorus Bombs*
7- Killing of Media**
8- Capture of Saddam and turning the Trial into a Joke
9- Uneven distribution of Power to People
10- Failure to establish a Gov't***
11- Triggering of Civil War
12- Letting Israel use North Iraq to establish Military Base and Intelligence
...and so on.

* Against UN Laws and is a War Crime
** Despite Media giving full information of its location, Journalist were bombarded and shelled by US Forces
*** The Puppet in Afghanistan can hardly get outside of his house, let alone Kabul, and US decided to Invade Iraq


Renak, its obvious - that things are only getting uglier by every second. The same statement you said "invasion of Iraq will be viewed in much more positive manner as time progresses", same was said about Vietnam and Gulf War 2.-

 

[HeiGou]

Look what they are doing to our sisters! Ya Allah!

If I can correct you, it is what your brothers (not "they") are doing to your sisters. The Americans may have accidentally enabled them to behave like this by removing Saddam's police control, but it is Muslims who are doing this, well most of this, to Muslimas. Who would have guessed?

Violence against women has increased dramatically since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. They have been kidnapped, killed, raped, and even sold to foreign countries for the global prostitution network, the Woman Freedom Organization (WFO), a Baghdad-based NGO, said in a report earlier this month.

All the work of Iraqi men, not the West.

 

[renak]

Somewhat agreed,

Islam is very open to this subject of Sexuality, however it also teaches us that respect is important. When a man/woman goes about having sex just for the pleasure - it has more negative effect on the community.

Its like this (example, this time i will use it on me :giggling: ): I go about having sex with women. And Another person (lets say you) have sex with one person and you love him (love does not mean sex). In the end, will I be more happier or You. I believe the answer is obvious.

This is very true. However, I think it boils down to a woman using her brain, and logic before agreeing to consensual sex.

 

[renak]

No offense: but thats just laughable.
A very brief point form Summary of Invasion:
1- Iraq has WMD (no such thing)
2- Iraq has Biological Weapons (no such thing)
3- Saddam was put in place by the US
4- After Baghdad fell, The US showed its true Colour by Placing the US Flag
5- Use of Plutonium Shells*
6- Use of Phosphorus Bombs*
7- Killing of Media**
8- Capture of Saddam and turning the Trial into a Joke
9- Uneven distribution of Power to People
10- Failure to establish a Gov't***
11- Triggering of Civil War
12- Letting Israel use North Iraq to establish Military Base and Intelligence
...and so on.

* Against UN Laws and is a War Crime
** Despite Media giving full information of its location, Journalist were bombarded and shelled by US Forces
*** The Puppet in Afghanistan can hardly get outside of his house, let alone Kabul, and US decided to Invade Iraq


Renak, its obvious - that things are only getting uglier by every second. The same statement you said "invasion of Iraq will be viewed in much more positive manner as time progresses", same was said about Vietnam and Gulf War 2.-

You may be correct. Hey I can hope can't I? kay:

 

[itsme01]

You may be correct. Hey I can hope can't I? kay:

:lol: i guess so ;D

 

[knuckles]

Where do you guys get your info from?

No offense: but thats just laughable.
A very brief point form Summary of Invasion:
1- Iraq has WMD (no such thing)
2- Iraq has Biological Weapons (no such thing)
3- Saddam was put in place by the US
4- After Baghdad fell, The US showed its true Colour by Placing the US Flag
5- Use of Plutonium Shells*
6- Use of Phosphorus Bombs*
7- Killing of Media**
8- Capture of Saddam and turning the Trial into a Joke
9- Uneven distribution of Power to People
10- Failure to establish a Gov't***
11- Triggering of Civil War
12- Letting Israel use North Iraq to establish Military Base and Intelligence
...and so on.

* Against UN Laws and is a War Crime
** Despite Media giving full information of its location, Journalist were bombarded and shelled by US Forces
*** The Puppet in Afghanistan can hardly get outside of his house, let alone Kabul, and US decided to Invade Iraq

1-Every intelligence agency around the world thought he had WMD. There was an article recently where one of his Generals even said he thought they had them up until the invasion and was disappointed when he were told they didn't.

2-See point 1

3-Saddam was not put in place by the US. Saddam was elected by the people of Iraq as Vice-President. He proceeded to kill off the people around him and connsolidated his power. Look it up

4-They put the flag up over Saddam's statue. They realized this was wrong and replaced it with the Iraqi flag immediately.

5-If the US used plutonium shells everybody would be dead anywhere near the ammo storage since Plutonium is highly irradiated. The US do use Depleted Uranium shells that is legal un the Geneva Conventions. Test has shown there's more radiation in a glow stick than in one of those shells.

6-They are Phosperus Shells and they are perfectly legal under the Geneva Convictions. They are used to illuminate the sky and to make buildings. There is no proof that it was used purposely against troops.

7-They new where the media was staying but they were also taking fire from that location. How do I know? My brother was there. He said from 1000 yards a camera looks a lot like an RPG.

8-Well the Irqi's are holding that trial. The US has nothing to do with it. Personally if I would have found Saddam I would have sealed off the hole and filled it with water.

9-Hey the Iraqi people elected the people to lead them. The US had nothing to do with that. If the US did then Sadr's block would have been shut out instead of having the most people in the government

10-The people establishes a government not the US

11-Blame that on the insurgents

12-HA HA HA show me the proof.

 

[itsme01]

Where do you guys get your info from?


1-Every intelligence agency around the world thought he had WMD. There was an article recently where one of his Generals even said he thought they had them up until the invasion and was disappointed when he were told they didn't.

2-See point 1

3-Saddam was not put in place by the US. Saddam was elected by the people of Iraq as Vice-President. He proceeded to kill off the people around him and connsolidated his power. Look it up

4-They put the flag up over Saddam's statue. They realized this was wrong and replaced it with the Iraqi flag immediately.

5-If the US used plutonium shells everybody would be dead anywhere near the ammo storage since Plutonium is highly irradiated. The US do use Depleted Uranium shells that is legal un the Geneva Conventions. Test has shown there's more radiation in a glow stick than in one of those shells.

6-They are Phosperus Shells and they are perfectly legal under the Geneva Convictions. They are used to illuminate the sky and to make buildings. There is no proof that it was used purposely against troops.

7-They new where the media was staying but they were also taking fire from that location. How do I know? My brother was there. He said from 1000 yards a camera looks a lot like an RPG.

8-Well the Irqi's are holding that trial. The US has nothing to do with it. Personally if I would have found Saddam I would have sealed off the hole and filled it with water.

9-Hey the Iraqi people elected the people to lead them. The US had nothing to do with that. If the US did then Sadr's block would have been shut out instead of having the most people in the government

10-The people establishes a government not the US

11-Blame that on the insurgents

12-HA HA HA show me the proof.

Ignorance is bliss. See below how it works

1- You make me laugh
2- You make me laugh louder
3- now you have done it, i am rolling on the floor
4- please stop - you are killing me
5- ok, now i stopped laughing
6- ahan, carry on please
7- good good
8- more
9- please
10- ok
11- nice
12- claps, bravo!, Bravo!

;D

 

[knuckles]

Ignorance is bliss. See below how it works

1- You make me laugh
2- You make me laugh louder
3- now you have done it, i am rolling on the floor
4- please stop - you are killing me
5- ok, now i stopped laughing
6- ahan, carry on please
7- good good
8- more
9- please
10- ok
11- nice
12- claps, bravo!, Bravo!

;D

Oh so you have nothing intelligent to say? Carry on

 

[itsme01]

Oh so you have nothing intelligent to say? Carry on

nope, i am not as smart as you. ;D

 

[Malsidabym]

No offense but one can't compare the US and Canada. The US is more of a military power, and financial contributor to the world in general.

The military power thing cannot be disputed (although it would be if american money had not squashed the canadian "arrow" project), the financial thing might be disputed though, depending on how numbers are crunched. In 2004(sorry more recent numbers are hard to find) the US donated 19 billion foreign aid while Canada donated 2.9 billion. There is some dispute by humanitarian critics about the US figure as accusations that some of the US 'donations' come in the form of military 'assistance' (Iraq, etc.).

When these numbers are looked at in % GDP, the US donations are 0.14 GDP and Canada is 0.26 GDP. These are much lower than Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, Sweden and the Netherlands all donating more than 0.7 GDP with Norway the leading world donar at 0.92 GDP.

 

[knuckles]

The military power thing cannot be disputed (although it would be if american money had not squashed the canadian "arrow" project), the financial thing might be disputed though, depending on how numbers are crunched. In 2004(sorry more recent numbers are hard to find) the US donated 19 billion foreign aid while Canada donated 2.9 billion. There is some dispute by humanitarian critics about the US figure as accusations that some of the US 'donations' come in the form of military 'assistance' (Iraq, etc.).

When these numbers are looked at in % GDP, the US donations are 0.14 GDP and Canada is 0.26 GDP. These are much lower than Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, Sweden and the Netherlands all donating more than 0.7 GDP with Norway the leading world donar at 0.92 GDP.

Do people that are recieving the help really care about % of GDp or about real dollars? Alos not taken into account is the US vehicles and logistics.

 

[Malsidabym]

Do people that are recieving the help really care about % of GDp or about real dollars? Alos not taken into account is the US vehicles and logistics.

Actually all costs are included when tallying the donated figures by countries, including vehicles and logistics. The comment was not about how those recieving donations felt, but about charity of these countries compared to others. The point about the % of GDP is to say that this is a real measure of how much a country is doing to help.
Remember the biblical story of the rich men and the poor widow donating to the temple.

Luke 21:1 As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3] "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4] All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."

Sacrificial giving is worth more than any amount. Norway for example, although the amount was less, has given more in donations than any other country. They gave a larger percentage of what they have.
And we cannot be sure how much of the US figure is 'military assistance'.

 

[knuckles]

Actually all costs are included when tallying the donated figures by countries, including vehicles and logistics. The comment was not about how those recieving donations felt, but about charity of these countries compared to others. The point about the % of GDP is to say that this is a real measure of how much a country is doing to help.
Remember the biblical story of the rich men and the poor widow donating to the temple.

Sacrificial giving is worth more than any amount. Norway for example, although the amount was less, has given more in donations than any other country. They gave a larger percentage of what they have.
And we cannot be sure how much of the US figure is 'military assistance'.

But it doesn't include personal donations. look at how many personal donatioans US citizens gave to the Tsunami relief fund.

 

[Malsidabym]

But it doesn't include personal donations. look at how many personal donatioans US citizens gave to the Tsunami relief fund.

Also consider how much was donated by people around the world. I think it is great that many US citizens donated, as it is great that citizens from all over the world did. (I am not sure where we are going with this )

 

[Malsidabym]

I forgot to add the story,

Luke21:1 As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3]"I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4]All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."

 

[knuckles]

Also consider how much was donated by people around the world. I think it is great that many US citizens donated, as it is great that citizens from all over the world did. (I am not sure where we are going with this )

I've lost the point to so let's drop it