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fossils of what exactly?
Proof of God
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Any ones you like. Dinosaurs. Do you think dinosaurs existed? Neanderthals. Do you think they did too?
Did these creatures exist way back then or is the fossil record fraudulent?
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Dinosaurs, yes. Neanderthals, no.
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a fossil record could be of any other creature. i mean how much can science prove these things? how true are they? sure they explain things in a logical way, but believe it or not, that is your belief. yor belief is that science is logical and explains everything! did u actually see those fossil records and experimented them? couldnt there be exaggerations? like anyone with the intention to blow religion away could and would do anything to achieve his/her goal.
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Greetings,
Science is often logical, but many of its discoveries rely on luck as well.
Are you suggesting that modern biology is a vast conspiracy to get rid of religion?
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Science is often logical, but many of its discoveries rely on luck as well.
Are you suggesting that modern biology is a vast conspiracy to get rid of religion?
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luck, faith, belief....dont they come from the same branch? they are connected in soume way..... and yes, of course you would say science is logical. < like i said before....but that is you belief.
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nope....not all of science. but there are certain aspects of science that is false :rollseyes
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In the Bible in the book of Genesis, it does not specify exactly what creatures God created in the seven days of creation. So dinosaurs very well may have been, and probably were part of God's plan of creation. Ah here's Genesis chapter 1.
Genesis 1:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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Greetings,
The same branch of what, exactly?
Science often uses logic. That is a fact, like it or not.
Who says modern biology is all of science?
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The same branch of what, exactly?
Science often uses logic. That is a fact, like it or not.
Who says modern biology is all of science?
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like say luck is a sort of faith which is like belief innit?
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if thta is how you argue, i can also argue that islam is the right path, believe it or not. but that is not how it is....u think science is logical because you believe it to be. if you dont believe in something, it never seems true to you. just like if you dont believe in someone, you wouldnt beleve that what that person is saying is true o not.
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i didnt say dat. in my previous post, i meant that not all aspects of biology is a conspiracy but certain aspects of it has gone too far. beyond what religion says.
So the bones of the Neanderthals are...fakes by humans? Tests by God?
How long ago did the dinosaurs live as far as you are concerned?
So wouldn't that mean there is no evidence at all much less no conclusive evidence?
Why? We all must accept that some people have created some Gods (unless you are a Hindu or the like). After all if Allah exists, Shiva must not. So it must be taken as a basic assumption that humans have invented Gods, and find them perfectly logical and satisfactory in every way.
Science may be able to explain God. It is all a matter of asking the right questions and performing the right experiments. So far there has been no evidence of the existence of God, but that does not mean there never will be. The first experiment of the Royal Society was to weigh a dying man before and after death to find out how much his soul weighed. If they had found a positive result, that would have had religious implications don't you think?
Can I assume that at some point in your life you had religious education classes, and in fact no one ever comes to any religion "spontaneously" - they have to be taught by someone?
It is well known that religiousity often occurs when people have serious emotional trauma.
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I have no idea how long ago the dinosaurs lived. Why does that matter? Yes the fossils are either fakes or misinterpretted.
So not a dinosaur but another creature of the same bone structure? What other creature?
Science can prove how old the bones are by testing them. They can find out roughly what period they come from by looking at the layers of Earth they were found in. They can assume common origins to create a relational-tree showing their nearest relatives. It is not a matter of belief, it is a matter of knowledge. There are Christian scientists, Jewish scientists, Hindu and atheist scientists, even some Muslim scientists. Science is open to all who are willing to open their minds - no belief is necessary. Dinosaurs were first discovered and studied in a time when there were no people trying to blow away science. When most scientists were Believers. All you have to do is learn with an open mind and you will see.
I am curious about your beliefs - whether you are a Young Earther or not. If the fossils are fakes, who faked them?
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Some athiest scientist duhhhh!:giggling:
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Fossils cannot be fakes (most of the time). We have examples of fossils for species thought to be long extinct, then a live species is found and the reconstruction and representation of what the creature looked like were able to be assesed. The results were that the reconstructions are very accurate.
Here is an example of one of many:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4493825.stm
Here is an example of one of many:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4493825.stm
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cool.
But even religious scientists have found them. Anyone can find fossils if they look in the right place. You can wander along the beaches of southern Britain and find fossils. Are you saying there has been a massive conspiracy by some group of atheist scientists that stretches back over 2000 years (when the first dinosaur bones were dug up in China) and across the entire world from North America to East Asia?
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I believe dinosaurs existed silly. The neanderthal fossils or fake/misinterpretted.P.s... do you like my avatar?