U.S. massacres in Iraq probed

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The U.S. army opened two criminal investigations into reports that marines indiscriminately shot dead more than 26 Iraqi civilians in two separate incidents, BBC reported.

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The first probe is related to an incident at the western town of Haditha last November, when U.S. marines shot dead at least 15 civilians, including seven women and three children.

The army initially claimed in a report that “15 Iraqi civilians were killed from the blast of a roadside bomb”.

But the military’s judge advocate general dismissed this report, and launched an investigation which led to the criminal probe into whether there was undisciplined or indiscriminate shooting by the marines.

Local residents in Haditha say the marines opened fire at passer-by and inhabitants of nearby homes after one of their colleagues was killed in a roadside bombing and another two were wounded.

Army investigators will now probe whether the civilians died in crossfire or were targeted in revenge for the death of the marine.

A Time reporter told the BBC that a videotape, given to the U.S. weekly by an Iraqi human rights group, show the civilians "could not have been killed by a roadside bomb".

"Their bodies were riddled with bullets," he said. "There was evidence there had been gunfire inside their homes, there were blood spatters inside their homes."

The Time says it presented its findings to the U.S. army.

The magazine quoted one Haditha resident as saying that U.S. troops killed her family.

"I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head," nine-year-old Eman Waleed said. "Then they killed my granny."

Human rights groups already said that the case would be the worst of its kind if the army investigation proved that the marines deliberately killed the 15 civilians.

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The army is also investigating accusations by Iraqi police that U.S. soldiers shot dead a family of 11 in their home last week, Reuters reported.

The incident took place last Wednesday in the town of Ishaqi, north of Baghdad.

Local resident and police accused U.S. forces of killing 11 people from the same family, including five children under school age, four women and two men.

But the army said only four were killed.

"Because of that discrepancy, we have opened an investigation," Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson, a top U.S. spokesman in Baghdad, said on Tuesday.

Police also say U.S. forces blew up the house after killing the family.

"It’s a clear and perfect crime without any doubt," said local police Colonel Farouq Hussein at the time, saying autopsies had found that all the victims were shot in the head.

The bodies, their hands bound, had been dumped in one room before the house was bombed, Hussein said.

There have been previous accusations by Iraqi civilians that U.S. occupation forces caused numerous civilian deaths since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, especially during the deadly offensive on Fallujah in November 2004.

Al-Jazeera
 
Where are those who call for proof now!!!

where are your comments now!!!!!!

let me guess this wasnt americans no!!

it must have been iraqis or insurgent RIGHT???

May allah give peace to those who have perished...

and the innocent who were left behind alone...

And may allah send his wrath for those who kill innocents in the name of democracy but truly only feed the greed of there masters!
 
If these allegations are proved, then all those Vietnam comparisons have more than a germ of truth.

However, the matter is still being investigated, so let's just wait it out and see what happens. Since we do not have access to the evidence being put to the court, we are in no position to judge either way; we're simply observers.
 
Thankfully America will investigate this and find someone responsible; he will be punished. Just like with Abu Gharib-- more than a few people are serving prison sentences as a result of their having humiliated prisoners. There are people held accountable when laws are broken in a state-led war, very much unlike when religious fanatics wage war on another whole civilization, without direct state sanctioning. There is not much recourse for stateless war-wagers and terrorists, is there? Except to try to weed them out of the many. Sad.
 
Actually the people responsible will never be prosecuted. It is the soldiers who will pay the price. But what do soldiers do? They follow orders from people who follow orders from people who take orders from... well you get what I mean I hope.
 
Actually the people responsible will never be prosecuted. It is the soldiers who will pay the price. But what do soldiers do? They follow orders from people who follow orders from people who take orders from... well you get what I mean I hope.

Preety much sums up where the orders for such soilders are coming from but hey people still try and protect such people...

yeah one soilder oh no thats right it was 15 soilders... not just one man..

oh and thats right in an armyy you follow orders and in a terrorist group one man can even make his own decisons...


strange isnt it...

the diffrence between a broken people forced to fight

and those who are saying they are there to save people and spread democracy when truly all they do is treat them like animals and massacre them in there own prejudice hate...

so when the saviour is truly the demon then what are those you call demons...

perhaps just perhaps things are not as simple as they seem...

Or let me guess those people where iraqi and not american soilders...:?
 
Actually the people responsible will never be prosecuted. It is the soldiers who will pay the price. But what do soldiers do? They follow orders from people who follow orders from people who take orders from... well you get what I mean I hope.
yes i agree with this...i actually pity the people who give these orders as they fail to understand that this life is not forever and that one they will die too...people have become just too attached to this life...so much so they bring suffering upon others....
 
Actually the people responsible will never be prosecuted. It is the soldiers who will pay the price. But what do soldiers do? They follow orders from people who follow orders from people who take orders from... well you get what I mean I hope.

Yes, Cheb, I understand. I agree in the case of abu gharib--it seems someone higher-up instructed the guards "to soften them up" (the prisoners, for interrogation). We will have to settle for the "peons" being punished. (I am not sure about the facts in that last statement, I am going on what the enlisted guards alledge, not what was proven).
But my intuition and small knowledge of America and its military ethics tells me that there is no way an officer would "command" his troops to massacre innocents. Or if he/she did, the "grunts" have legal authority to refuse such gross violations of human rights and common sense(this does defy common sense, after all; the usa are still, however unsuccesfully, trying to win allies amongst the natives).
Let us let the investigation take its course and the guilty will be punished.
 
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Actually the people responsible will never be prosecuted. It is the soldiers who will pay the price. But what do soldiers do? They follow orders from people who follow orders from people who take orders from... well you get what I mean I hope.

So, do you believe there was an order given to kill innocent people? and where do believe that order came from? Let's get this out in the open...
 
oh and thats right in an armyy you follow orders and in a terrorist group one man can even make his own decisons...
that is pretty naive, Rou. You need to read more about Al-Qaeda if you think they don't operate by a hierarchy. Again, your blanket, angry generalizations render your whole point wrong.

and those who are saying they are there to save people and spread democracy when truly all they do is treat them like animals and massacre them in there own prejudice hate...

Yup!!! That's "all they do"!

all they do is treat them like animals and massacre them in there own prejudice hate.

Yes, the Sunni fanatics from around the Muslim world do "treat the Iraqis like animals..." . I wonder what the numbers are up to? THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS killed by their "brothers". It goes both ways, pal.
 
Yes, Cheb, I understand. I agree in the case of abu gharib--it seems someone higher-up instructed the guards "to soften them up" (the prisoners, for interrogation). We will have to settle for the "peons" being punished. (I am not sure about the facts in that last statement, I am going on what the enlisted guards alledge, not what was proven).
But my intuition and small knowledge of America and its military ethics tells me that there is no way an officer would "command" his troops to massacre innocents. Or if he/she did, the "grunts" have legal authority to refuse such gross violations of human rights and common sense(this does defy common sense, after all; the usa are still, however unsuccesfully, trying to win allies amongst the natives).
Let us let the investigation take its course and the guilty will be punished.
Yes we should let the investigation take its course. But like I said, even if the soldiers are found guilty, I doubt anyone else will pay the price.
While this might not make sense to you, you never know what goes on in war. Generally the soldiers may "hate" not only the enemy, but the innocence too. They can be easily brainwashed just like some of the insurgents may be brainwashed.
 
Yes, Cheb, I understand. I agree in the case of abu gharib--it seems someone higher-up instructed the guards "to soften them up" (the prisoners, for interrogation). We will have to settle for the "peons" being punished. (I am not sure about the facts in that last statement, I am going on what the enlisted guards alledge, not what was proven).
But my intuition and small knowledge of America and its military ethics tells me that there is no way an officer would "command" his troops to massacre innocents. Or if he/she did, the "grunts" have legal authority to refuse such gross violations of human rights and common sense(this does defy common sense, after all; the usa are still, however unsuccesfully, trying to win allies amongst the natives).
Let us let the investigation take its course and the guilty will be punished.

Yes indeed lets wait for the outcome...

Perhaps the natives might quiten down after a couple of the invaders are punished?

just like the true crimnals in the abu garhib pictures were punished hey? and like the guy who recorded and the soilders who beat the young iraqis were punished...like bush is punished for his quite obvious illegal act of attacking a country and sluagthering so many people.

Indeed lets wait and see...

The natives will be happy to hear of SUCH a victory...
 
that is pretty naive, Rou. You need to read more about Al-Qaeda if you think they don't operate by a hierarchy. Again, your blanket, angry generalizations render your whole point wrong.



Yup!!! That's "all they do"!



Yes, the Sunni fanatics from around the Muslim world do "treat the Iraqis like animals..." . I wonder what the numbers are up to? THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS killed by their "brothers". It goes both ways, pal.

why dont you show me what these so called sunni ?? lol fanatics are doing my friend...

so now its sunnis not only muslims??

do not try and turn my brothers against me....

this may have worked in the past but faith is above all other relations....

My sunni brothers will back me long before you and the united states do i would prefer to have them by my side long before you my friend....

How despreate are you getting?? you didnt even know who sunni and shia are before you started watching the media and now your an expert on who kill who are you?!

pathetic...

America attacks shia mosuqes and blames sunnis?

America massacres sunnis and blames the shias?

I hear a deinial rising??

save it!

think what you want what diffrence does your thought make your people arent dying they arent suffering your narrow view makes me sick..

think what you want the truth is quite obvious about america and its plans for the middle east...
 
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While this might not make sense to you, you never know what goes on in war. Generally the soldiers may "hate" not only the enemy, but the innocence too. They can be easily brainwashed just like some of the insurgents may be brainwashed.
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I really do agree with you Cheb. War creates monsters. On both sides. Continually. A sad fact, isn't it.

But like I said, even if the soldiers are found guilty, I doubt anyone else will pay the price.
It is very unfortunate that you may be right. Just like Zarquawi's morons will never have to answer for the thoudands of dead civilians they have caused. Hopefully the findings of these investigations will be truthful and the facts are made evident.
 
My sunni brothers will back me long before you and the united states do i would prefer to have them by my side long before you my friend....
I know around 50 sunnis who would rather pummel you than blindly "stand by your side". There you go again, with your statements of absolutes.
so now its sunnis not only muslims??
As many or more, of them, than Americans or UK troops. That is probably the ultimate source of your frustration and misery: your ideal "muslim ummah" isn't united, that more muslims are killing muslims there than are coalition forces killing muslims. Set aside your blame for everyone else and look at you fractured, violent ummah, please.
 
Yes we should let the investigation take its course. But like I said, even if the soldiers are found guilty, I doubt anyone else will pay the price.
While this might not make sense to you, you never know what goes on in war. Generally the soldiers may "hate" not only the enemy, but the innocence too. They can be easily brainwashed just like some of the insurgents may be brainwashed.

I think what you've states makes perfect sense. The whole war machine can alter good men, turning them into inhumane monsters. Brainwashing, sleep and food deprivation, and other factors need to be considered before we pass judgement on these men (US military as well as insurgents). It's hard for me to have empaphy for men who administer cruelty; however, I feel that these men need our prayers, understanding, and future support. Hopefully, these individuals will be able to return to the person they once were, recognize their past transgressions, and use their experiences to administer peace and understanding in the future.
 
Yeh Americans have been massacring people in numerous wars; off the top of my head My Lai in Vietnam was the biggest example, 501 dead imagine that, and those responsible got away scotch free. I'm amazed how US apologetics gloss over such acts.
 
Yeh Americans have been massacring people in numerous wars; off the top of my head My Lai in Vietnam was the biggest example, 501 dead imagine that, and those responsible got away scotch free. I'm amazed how US apologetics gloss over such acts.

not surprised.

-- they didnt even punish when they killed 4 Canadians Bros. in the so called "friendly fire" - then why would they punish these killers.
Its pathetic how the army and US foreign policy works.
 
I'm amazed how US apologetics gloss over such acts.
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No Americans I know would ever gloss this over (My Lai). It is a mark of shame on their conscience and record, and a disgrace. I've never seen a person or book gloss this over, so I'm not sure why you say such a thing. I would make sure we look at our own country, the UK, first before we go pointing our fingers westward.

-- they didnt even punish when they killed 4 Canadians Bros. in the so called "friendly fire" - then why would they punish these killers.
Its pathetic how the army and US foreign policy works.
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You can do better than that! That is a really lazy analysis, in my opinion.
 

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