Did Jesus (p) Deny Being God?

I see there has been some discussion concerning Jesus’ humbleness. There seems to be some confusion.

When Jesus lived, as a man, he lived as a perfect man.

All men should be humble. “The meek shall inherit the Earth” therefore Jesus/man was humble.

Jesus is and always has been 100% God but, while he lived as a man,, he was also 100% man.

The man Jesus/man is a perfect example of how a man is to live and Jesus/God is the perfect example of his/God’s love for man by giving his/Jesus’ life for us as atonement for OUR sins.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
Vpb to explain my statement a little better.
God fore-knows events. God has said he gets no pleasure from a man’s death.

Islam teachs that God refuses to allow the Koran to be corrupted because if it was the Koran could be used to mis-lead people and result in them being condemned to punishment.

If that is true for the Koran then it is true for the Christian bible.

If God doesn’t allow Islam’s teachings to be corrupted by man then God does the same thing for the rest of his scripture.

Other wise there is no more argument in favor of Islam than there is for the Mormons faith.

They are both founded on the same faulty logic.

No offense intended.

Thanks
Nimrod
 
What was the main reason Yeshua (Jesus) was sentenced to death ?

Wasn't it blasphemy ? The High Priest said to him " You are but a man and we know your brothers and your sisters and your father and mother, yet you Call yourseld Son Of God?
When They asked him if he was the Son of God, he said in Hebrew "Eiyeh Asher Eiyeh" which translated mean "IAm" That Iam.

When God appeared to Moses in The Sinai Mountain as a burning bush, He told moses to go to pharaoh and tell Him God has sent you'' to take the hebrews home ,and moses asked what name should I say sent me ? (For the Egyptians had many gods)Then God said "Eiyeh Asher Eiyeh" The same name Jesus used meaning iam that Iam.
Meaning Iam the existance of everything or the source of everything. This is what anger the Sanhedrin who sentenced Yeshua to death.

One time when he sat with His disciples and spoke of the heavenly Father, One asked Yeshua " Lord (adonai) show us the Father" and he replied "Phillip I have being with you all this time and you ask to show you the Father ?

"He who has seen me ,has seen the father" Believe that Iam (eiyeh) in the Father ad the Father is in me."

Another time He said " proceeded from the Father (Meaning I came out from the father) And Iam returning to the father"
Also said "I and the father are one"
Now understand this not all christians believe in a trinity, I don't.

But i do believe That Yeshua is the Son Of God, therefore if He is The Son Of God, he is prince and if he is prince He is Elohim God.

Now you must also understand that Yeshua was a special creation of God as The New Testament said and as Muhammed said.
He was borned from a virgin as prophecied by Zhacary, Isaiah, His body was a special creation of God the Father of all and Him who you call Allah.

That is a fact of History, that no other man has lived, who walked on water, healed the sick at will, fed 5,000 people with a few fishes and a few breads and had leftover to feed another 1000,Resurrected the dead,Walked through walls and dissapeared from the mist of the Jews when they wanted to stone him, cleansed the lepers, the deaf heard and the blind he made to see.
He calm the sea when the disciples were afraid and almost sank.

what normal man can do these things ?
He was killed and on the third day rose from the dead, what other leader of any religion has returned from the dead, Buddha is still dead and Chrishna is also in his tomb, yet the tomb of Jesus is empty.

Now you must also understand that the body of Yeshua was just a vehicle for God to manifest himself personally unto man.
as he was to Moses He appeared as a burning bush, to the hebrews he appeared as a colum of fire at night and a colum of smoke in the day to guide them out egypt.
To the evil prophet balaam He spoke to him through a donkey.
ad to our Father Abraham he appeared as Three men , who conversed with him, and Abraham recognized it was God he was speaking to:

and He said "Lord(adonai) come and sit and eat with me at my tent" how come if there were 3 persons He only said Lord (Adonai) instead of saying Adonahim (Lords).? these are things to ponder about.

Salam/Shalom
 
nimrod said:
Vpb to explain my statement a little better.
God fore-knows events. God has said he gets no pleasure from a man’s death.

Islam teachs that God refuses to allow the Koran to be corrupted because if it was the Koran could be used to mis-lead people and result in them being condemned to punishment.

If that is true for the Koran then it is true for the Christian bible.

If God doesn’t allow Islam’s teachings to be corrupted by man then God does the same thing for the rest of his scripture.

Other wise there is no more argument in favor of Islam than there is for the Mormons faith.

They are both founded on the same faulty logic.

No offense intended.

Thanks
Nimrod
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I believe man thoughts and interpretations are faulty or can be missused in any religion, we have the catholic priests who abuse children by using their high positions, tehn we have some christian pastors who enriched themselves, the catholics again killed thousands in europe under the inquisition, the Budhists who persecute all other religions and then we have those who call themselves muslims that take the Koran and make it into a book of violance and killing for the sake of their interpretation.
and the jews go outside the torah and go by kabalah and do witchcraft.

So it is man who is faulty and not God's word, you can take the word Of God which is pure and turn it to fit your agendas.
Peace :rant:
 
Nimrod, ok let's try to raise three questions about your statements

1.if none of the scriptures were corrupted than why God did send all these scriptures? why not just stop with the Torah? why continue with Ingil and Qur'an?

now if this is true, then we both are out (christianity,islam), but now we've got on both scriptures , in Bible that tells that Moses predicted that his scripture would be corrupted, and Qur'an tells that the Torah is already corrupted? does that question make any sense for u?

2.if all the scriptures are corrupted and the Qur'an too, then what's gonna happen to next generations? do u think God would punish people who never reiceived any guidance?
(017.15 Qur'an) Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an apostle (to give warning).
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I don't think anybody would support the reason for the second question, it's just needs some logic to see that it cannot be true.

3. or previous scriptures are corrupted except Qur'an, the last relevation.

you still don't understand why the Qur'an cannot be corrupted, it is because if it would have been corrupted then what would happen to us? we would go all in hell , everyone that lives right know in this world, at this time, but bc Allah swt said that it would be the last prophet then He is not going to allow to change his book, bc if he does, than he is going to break his promise, and need to send another prophet...and Allah swt never breaks his promise
do you think God breaks his promise?
(005.3) "....This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
 
Other wise there is no more argument in favor of Islam than there is for the Mormons faith.
They are both founded on the same faulty logic.
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we have already shown evidences about Islam, not just in this thread, but in the whole forum, but if u don't accept them, then it is not my problem :) if u think u got it right, keep going :)

(07.71) "He said: Indeed uncleanness and wrath from your Lord have lighted upon you; what! do you dispute with me about names which you and your fathers have given? Allah has not sent any authority for them; wait then, I too with you will be of those who wait."

(020.135) "Say: Every one (of us) is awaiting, therefore do await: So you will come to know who is the follower of the even path and who goes aright."
 
PrIM3 said:
well actually Jesus vaguely said He was God and strongly said that He was Lord.

these verses from John chapter 8 shows Jesus calling Himself God vaguely

verse 23-24 --- You are from below, I am from above, you are of this world: I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM, you will indeed die in your sins.

then later in verse 28

So Jesus said," When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I AM and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

then in verse 58

I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM.

He uses the same term that YAHWEH uses in Exodus 3:14 I AM WHO I AM

calling Himself Lord--- John 13:13

You call me Teacher and Lord, and rightly so, for that is what I am.


and Ps...

Christians who Live by Faith follow Christ.. according to Jesus Himself in John 14:12 Anyone who lives by Faith will do what I have been doing.
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Christians misunderstood the Bible and kept changing the original context. Even today,...The original Bible doesnt exist today, not does the other books revealed, except for Kur'an , who stayed unchanged.
Jesus never claimed and ISNT Son of God, and that is the worst sin to believe. Jesus was miroculasly born by Allah's will, because Allah can do anything, there is no doubt about it..And IF you dont belive this, how about this logical evidence::
If Jesus is Son of God, he cant be God, because Allah has limitless power and its totally inlogical and misunderstood that Jesus had all power in Him.
Allah is the ONLY one who should be praised and He created prophet Jesus, and all of the other prophets, us and everything that exsits.
Islam is the last relevation to all Humanity and Kur'an is the last book revealed.After this there WILL NOT be any books or prophets.
Prophet Mohamed was sent to ALL humanity, where all other books were sent to specific time/people, even though they conatined all the SAME message:That there is no God except for Allah..


wassalam
 
vpb said:
we have already shown evidences about Islam, not just in this thread, but in the whole forum, but if u don't accept them, then it is not my problem :) if u think u got it right, keep going :)

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.if one doesnt believe, then we should pray for that person that Allah guides them to the straight path..:cresentbl :Koran: :rollseyes :statisfie :sister:
 
Shadow_of_White, ahhh sis...they're not accepting the evidences :) see, even if we show them evidence they don't accept...since they don't want to ask for guidance themselves, Allah swt is not gonna guide them, He does not need people, people need him. He is self-sufficient :)

Peace
 
.if one doesnt believe, then we should pray for that person that Allah guides them to the straight path..
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i know sis, but before we pray that these people to be guided, then they need first to open their hearts a little bit.but if they dont want to do it at all, why would i pray?
 
vpb said:
Shadow_of_White, ahhh sis...they're not accepting the evidences :) see, even if we show them evidence they don't accept...since they don't want to ask for guidance themselves, Allah swt is not gonna guide them, He does not need people, people need him. He is self-sufficient :)

Peace
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:heated: ........inshAllah they are going to change , Allah is Merciful....
but we should pray to Allah to guide them...because we want people to be in Allah's way right??..if they dont accept the evidence.///:heated: :offended:
 
Shadow_of_White said:
Christians misunderstood the Bible and kept changing the original context. Even today,...The original Bible doesnt exist today, not does the other books revealed, except for Kur'an , who stayed unchanged.
Jesus never claimed and ISNT Son of God, and that is the worst sin to believe. Jesus was miroculasly born by Allah's will, because Allah can do anything, there is no doubt about it..And IF you dont belive this, how about this logical evidence::
If Jesus is Son of God, he cant be God, because Allah has limitless power and its totally inlogical and misunderstood that Jesus had all power in Him.
Allah is the ONLY one who should be praised and He created prophet Jesus, and all of the other prophets, us and everything that exsits.
Islam is the last relevation to all Humanity and Kur'an is the last book revealed.After this there WILL NOT be any books or prophets.
Prophet Mohamed was sent to ALL humanity, where all other books were sent to specific time/people, even though they conatined all the SAME message:That there is no God except for Allah..


wassalam
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another one eh... I don't think Christians misunderstands the Bible I think its you who misunderstands it considering that you are not a Christian.

can you please show me where the originals are so I may get the "real" Bible?

according to Matthew 26:62-64 Jesus does claim to be part of God.. Caiaphas, the high priest said to Jesus, " Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God". Jesus replied, "Yes. it is as you say. But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven".
 
vpb said:
i know sis, but before we pray that these people to be guided, then they need first to open their hearts a little bit.but if they dont want to do it at all, why would i pray?
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if they are good people, even if they sin, we would be mashAllah generous to include them, so that they know...

well thats what i think, because if we pray for others, we will open our own hearts too/.........:sister: :)
 
prim3,
can you please show me where the originals are so I may get the "real" Bible?
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then u need to have a car like in the movie "Back to the Future" and go some centuries back :D
 
shadow_of_white, sis Allah swt knows best what's on their minds. :) so we hope they will be guided :) Inshallah
 
PrIM3 said:
another one eh... I don't think Christians misunderstands the Bible I think its you who misunderstands it considering that you are not a Christian.

can you please show me where the originals are so I may get the "real" Bible?

according to Matthew 26:62-64 Jesus does claim to be part of God.. Caiaphas, the high priest said to Jesus, " Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God". Jesus replied, "Yes. it is as you say. But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven".
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the proof is the Qur'an itself...
and in the Qur'an it says,

Indeed they disbelive, who say, God is the third of three(in a trinity)," when there is no God but one God. If they desist not from what they say, truly a painful punishment will befall the disbelivers among them. Would they not rather repent to God and ask His forgivness? For God is OFt-Giving, Most Merciful. The Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, was no more then a messenger.
(Qur'an 5;73-75)

and there are other Quranic verses that support this. The whole Qur'an itself supports this, and we already stated this previously.

another one is,Indeed they disbelived who said: "God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary, .The Messiah (Jesus) said: "Children of Israil, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden paradise for him, and his home is the Fire, (Hell). For the wrongdoers, there will be no helpers."
(Qur'an , 5;72)

If you want to get more information, I suggest you look up the source as well, from someone thats Islamic scholar.
we cant convince you into anything, and you can see for yourself all the evidence given AND Islam itself.
 
PrIM3 said:
another one eh... I don't think Christians misunderstands the Bible I think its you who misunderstands it considering that you are not a Christian.

can you please show me where the originals are so I may get the "real" Bible?

according to Matthew 26:62-64 Jesus does claim to be part of God.. Caiaphas, the high priest said to Jesus, " Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God". Jesus replied, "Yes. it is as you say. But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven".
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See, you are quoting the changed source.
AND logically, just adding (even though) its not what its revealed,
The Mighty one doesnt have hands and isnt like any of his creation. And he doesnt resemble anything. Jesus was a mirocalus worker, and thats the point that confused the Christians. They belive that ecoa Jesus could heal sick, he could make the blind see, all by Allah' s will, they misunderstood it, so that was the main point of them thinking wrongly.
 

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