Who Say Yeshua (jesus) Is The Son Of God

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1-THE WITNESSES AND PROOF
THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD

The angel-THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST-Mt 1:20.
The angel Gabriel-THAT HOLY THING...SHALL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD-Lk 1:35.
Satan-He knew Jesus was the Son of God-ref Mt 4:3-11; Lk 4:3-13.
John the Baptist-BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD-Jn 1:29,36.
John the Baptist-THIS IS THE SON OF GOD-Jn 1:34; 5:36.
Nathanael-THOU ART THE SON OF GOD-Jn 1:49.

The unclean spirit-I KNOW THEE...THE HOLY ONE OF GOD-Mk 1:24.
The devils-THOU ART CHRIST THE SON OF GOD-Lk 4:41.
The unclean spirits-THOU ART THE SON OF GOD-Mk 3:11.
The unclean devil-THE HOLY ONE OF GOD-Lk 4:34.
The unclean spirit-JESUS, THOU SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD-Mk 5:7.
Jesus had said-GOD WAS HIS FATHER-Jn 5:18.
Peter-WE BELIEVE AND ARE SURE THAT THOU ART THAT CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD-Jn 6:69.
Jesus said-I…CAME FROM GOD-Jn 8:42.
Jesus-DOST THOU BELIEVE ON THE SON OF GOD?...IT IS HE THAT TALKETH WITH THEE-Jn 9:35,37.
Martha-I BELIEVE...THOU ART...THE SON OF GOD-Jn 11:27.
The disciples in the boat-OF A TRUTH THOU ART THE SON OF GOD-Mt 14:33.
Peter-THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD-Mt 16:16; ref Jn 6:69.
Martha-THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD-Jn 11:27.
His disciples-WE BELIEVE THAT THOU CAMEST FORTH FROM GOD-Jn 16:30.
Thomas said-MY LORD AND MY GOD-Jn 20:28.
John-JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD-Jn 20:31.
Jesus-They…asked, "Are you...the Son of God?" He replied, "YOU ARE RIGHT IN SAYING I AM"-Lk 22:70 NIV. JESUS SAID, I AM-Mk 14:62.
The centurion-TRULY THIS WAS THE SON OF GOD-Mt 27:54; ref Mk 15:39.
The works He did, proved He was the Son of God-ref Jn 5:36; 10:38.
The Father-THIS IS MY BELOVED SON-Mt 3:17; ref Jn 5:37.
The witness of God’s Word—the numerous prophecies.
The resurrection, many witnesses, and many portions of Scripture.

2-JESUS SAID, "I AM"

AND MOSES SAID UNTO GOD, BEHOLD, WHEN I COME UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, AND SHALL SAY UNTO THEM, THE GOD OF YOUR FATHERS HATH SENT ME UNTO YOU; AND THEY SHALL SAY TO ME, WHAT IS HIS NAME? WHAT SHALL I SAY UNTO THEM?
AND GOD SAID UNTO MOSES, I AM THAT I AM: AND HE SAID, THUS SHALT THOU SAY UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, I AM HATH SENT ME UNTO YOU-Ex 3:13,14.
Jesus said:
I AM-Mk 14:62.
I AM THE SON OF GOD-Jn 10:36.
I AM THE BREAD OF LIFE-Jn 6:35.
I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD-Jn 8:12.
BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS, I AM-Jn 8:58.
I AM THE GOOD SHEPHERD-Jn 10:11.
I AM THE RESURRECTION, AND THE LIFE-Jn 11:25.
I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE-Jn 14:6.
I AM THE TRUE VINE-Jn 15:1.
I AM THE LIVING BREAD-Jn 6:31.

3-THE RESURRECTION IS PROVEN

Proven by:
The empty tomb-ref Jn 20:1-9
Angelic testimony-ref Mt 28:5-7
His enemies-ref Mt 28:11-15
Numerous witnesses—multitude of verses
Many infallible proofs-ref Jn 20:20,27; Acts 1:3
Apostolic preaching-ref Acts 1:22; 4:33

SOMEONE IN HERE ASKED THE QUESTION, WHY THE BIBLE DOESN'T SAY CLEARLY JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, IT DOES SAY IT, BUT YOU NEED TO READ IT TO SEE IT.
SHALOM/SALAM :heated:
 
im sorry that somebody here actually believes that prophet Jesus is the "son of god"

thats definitely impossible.
surah al iklaas in the Qur'aan tells us clearly that Allah is One and he doesn't beget or was never begotten. (paraphrasing, not word for word)

if Jesus is the son of God, than how come he had human characteristics just like us???. Allah (God) is like no other being, meaning that he doesnt have the same characteristics as us, therefore meaning he doesnt have children or parents or other family members.

Its so sad that people actually believe in this trinity stuff and son of God stuff because its so obvious that it is impossible for that to be true.
 
Hi Alphaseed,
Thanks for your post.

Having a look at your biblical proofs for the divine sonship of Christ, I've noticed that the majority are either ambiguous/figurative/open to interpretation such as those listed under #2 or they including references to him as the 'son of God' (most of those listed under #1). It is the latter group of evidences that I would like to examine because they seem problematic to me. The Bible calls so many people the 'son of God', when do we take it as a statement of divinity and when do we not? Adam was reffered to as the son of God in Luke 3:38 and Solomon in II Samuel 7:13-14 and I Chronicles 22:10. And all peacemakes are called the sons of God in Matthew 5:9. How do we interpret these passages?

For more info on this, please see my post here:
http://www.islamicboard.com/172571-post148.html

Regards
 
Nur of Islam, "if Jesus is the son of God, than how come he had human characteristics just like us???." what characteristics did the ones (Angels or Angels and the Lord, depending on your faith) that came to Abraham to tell him things have? Did they ever eat?

God can do anything, except be decitefull, yet He can't be a man if he wants to???????? I still don't understand the math on that.

I have even seen it said that Jesus was not resurrected. Folks can believe that Elijah or Elisha brought dead ones back to life, yet they don't think
Jesus was resurrected or that Paul brought a boy back to life that had fallen out of a window. All those recordings of folks brought back to life by men of God, yet some how God didn't or wouldn't do so by his own hand.

Not intending this to be a slam against Islam, but it still amazes me that Islam dismiss' so much scripture on a single man's word while dismissing the recorded accounts of so many.

It is a good thing our court system doesn't work what way.

Thanks
Nimrod

Btw, Alpha Seed, a good post imo.
 
Tell me? why should i believe the bible if its curropted by men ideas years ago? I think ill go with the Quran. After all its 100% God words. I mean the answer is logic, would you pick a book thats half God words/halfmen or would you pick the book thats 100% God words.
 
Hussein radi said:
Tell me? why should i believe the bible if its curropted by men ideas years ago? I think ill go with the Quran. After all its 100% God words. I mean the answer is logic, would you pick a book thats half God words/halfmen or would you pick the book thats 100% God words.
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As usual... the whole argument (both ways) just goes round in circles. Alphaseed's post would convince nobody who didn't believe already (but over 2 billion people do!)

Hussein radi's logic is quite correct, I think, BUT it has an essential premise that the Qu'ran IS 100% God's words. Maybe a billion and a half people DO believe that, but those who believe Alphaseed do not.. indeed they do not believe any of it to be "God's words".

All a matter of faith. None of it can be "proved"... you have to believe what your heart tells you.
 
How was it before God decided to have a son?
Was it a two-unity with God and the Holy Spirit?
 
Abu Zakariya said:
How was it before God decided to have a son?
Was it a two-unity with God and the Holy Spirit?
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It hasn't made much of a difference, has it? Anyway, I did post this BEFORE in other threads, but I guess I'll just put an end to this here. I won't say who told me about it, because I know that flips everyone out... and it doesn't even matter, but the Sons of God were PRIESTS that had reached the age of 40, the age when it was deemed a son of man acquired enough wisdom. To support this 'wild' claim, I offer the following passages:

Deuteronomy 14:1 - You are the sons of God. You shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness on your heads on account of the dead... I am the LORD.

John 1:11 and 12 - He came unto his own, but his own received him not. But for those who received him, to them he gave the means to become the sons of God.

LOTS of people bore this title... though, for some unknown reason, only the records concerning Ezra and Jesus make mention of it directly. The statements are intended to challenge the whole of the Son of God complaint (Surah 9:30)... if a council ever does get formed to hear all these... issues. I have quite a collection of them.

I am what I am... deal with it!

Ninth Scribe
 
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Ninth_Scribe said:
It hasn't made much of a difference, has it? Anyway, I did post this BEFORE in other threads, but I guess I'll just put an end to this here. I won't say who told me about it, because I know that flips everyone out... and it doesn't even matter, but the Sons of God were PRIESTS that had reached the age of 40, the age when it was deemed a son of man acquired enough wisdom. To support this 'wild' claim, I offer the following passages:

Deuteronomy 14:1 - You are the sons of God. You shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness on your heads on account of the dead... I am the LORD.

John 1:11 and 12 - He came unto his own, but his own received him not. But for those who received him, to them he gave the means to become the sons of God.

LOTS of people bore this title... though, for some unknown reason, only the records concerning Ezra and Jesus make mention of it directly

I am what I am...

Ninth Scribe
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So, are these priests supposed to be the literal or metaphorical sons of God?
 
nimrod said:
Nur of Islam, "if Jesus is the son of God, than how come he had human characteristics just like us???." what characteristics did the ones (Angels or Angels and the Lord, depending on your faith) that came to Abraham to tell him things have? Did they ever eat?

God can do anything, except be decitefull, yet He can't be a man if he wants to???????? I still don't understand the math on that.

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Its not true that the only thing God cant do is to be decietful.

In Surah al Ikhlaas, it says:

Say "He is Allah, (the) One

The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom All Creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks.

He begets not, nor was he begotten

And there is no co-equal or comparable unto Him



Translations by "The Noble Qur'an"



The verses above show that Allah cannot have human traits, including reproduction. The Qur'an is the only religious text that is still in its original form so it must be the only one that is free of errors. All of the different versions of the bible today are erroneous and the evidence is in their verses.

Peace
 
Muezzin said:
So, are these priests supposed to be the literal or metaphorical sons of God?
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It is a metaphorical title. When a 'Son of Man' attains the age of 40, he is deemed to have acquired sufficient wisdom to be considered a 'Son of God' and can be held accountable for his actions from that time on (cannot plead ignorance). It describes a level of spiritual development, that's all. I have no idea how this term became misunderstood, but it was never intended to suggest a sole heir of God and I for one would LOVE to know who it was that told Mohammed (PBUH) that it did. I would also like to know why Kaab Al Ahbar didn't bother to explain this title to the Muslim people during his stay, seeing as he thought he as such an authority of the Judean records. Isn't bearing false witness... a crime?

Ninth Scribe
 
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nurofislam said:
Its so sad that people actually believe in this trinity stuff and son of God stuff because its so obvious that it is impossible for that to be true.
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God exists through men, so he is man, and all else that is made by him. The 'Son of God' issue was based on a misunderstanding... trying to fix the mess - can see it's gotten out of hand because certain of the scribes were... IDIOTS!!

Ninth Scribe
 
Ninth_Scribe said:
God exists through men, so he is man, and all else that is made by him. The 'Son of God' issue was based on a misunderstanding... trying to fix the mess - can see it's gotten out of hand because certain of the scribes were... IDIOTS!!

Ninth Scribe
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its so obvious that this is making u angry. can it be because you're afraid that you've wasted ur time following the wrong religion?? :?
 
nurofislam said:
its so obvious that this is making u angry. can it be because you're afraid that you've wasted ur time following the wrong religion?? :?
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:giggling: ...:? ....im not gonna say oops i didnt say so...:okay:
 

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