Who Say Yeshua (jesus) Is The Son Of God

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by snakelegs
why would god need a son?

north_malaysian: Maybe he 's so bored to be alone?

Wow I didn't expect that coming from a muslim! Here have some marbles. I think you've lost yours ooooo ffended:

 

[Alphaseed]

That's just GRAMMAR! We use singular and plural forms in English too, you know.

Ninth Scribe

Yes But The Hebrew is different you have singular, Dual And Plural.

 

[Alphaseed]

Wow I didn't expect that coming from a muslim! Here have some marbles. I think you've lost yours ooooo ffended:

So That In The Plan of salvation he Created before the foundation of The world, By The Shedding of Blood, His Own Son Would Shed His Holy Blood for all Of Humanity.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

So That In The Plan of salvation he Created before the foundation of The world, By The Shedding of Blood, His Own Son Would Shed His Holy Blood for all Of Humanity.

Lots of people shed their blood for their people... and what they perceived as HUMANITY.

Isn't that what the Mujahideen are doing... right now?

The concept is neither new or exclusive.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Yes But The Hebrew is different you have singular, Dual And Plural.

Doesn't effect the text, save for it's context... My help, Her help, His help, Their help, our help... don't follow what you're getting at.

You write: The First term is Used For Adam and Yeshua, the second term in low case letters...

As far as I remember, there are no capitalizations or lower case forms of Hebrew letters.... but go on. I'm curious to hear this out.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Alphaseed]

I meant Lower and higher Case letters in the English ,That is How the translators found to differentiate the meaning of the nouns in Hebrew to English.

There are no High Case letters in Hebrew, no spaces or comas or points.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I meant Lower and higher Case letters in the English ,That is How the translators found to differentiate the meaning of the nouns in Hebrew to English.

There are no High Case letters in Hebrew, no spaces or comas or points.

Thank you for that. I knew they were training their priests by emphasizing words... in English language, but the Hebrew language doesn't cooperate with this learning technique. In fact, the word, Nephilim, suffered a similar fate at the hands of Greek scholars, who took it to mean... giants, lol.

In light of Ezra's term of endearment (Zerah Kodesh), you could easily see why I can't support a glamorized version of the bene elohim. Angels, by the way, don't cut their flesh to commemorate the dead... that practice belongs to the Shia. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Alphaseed]

Thank you for that. I knew they were training their priests by emphasizing words... in English language, but the Hebrew language doesn't cooperate with this learning technique. In fact, the word, Nephilim, suffered a similar fate at the hands of Greek scholars, who took it to mean... giants, lol.

In light of Ezra's term of endearment (Zerah Kodesh), you could easily see why I can't support a glamorized version of the bene elohim. Angels, by the way, don't cut their flesh to commemorate the dead... that practice belongs to the Shia. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Ninth Scribe

And Nazarenes also, which Iam

 

[PrIM3]

God is spirit not human the Quran tells us---


112:1-3 " say: He is God, One, God the everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, and has not been begotten"

as well as the Bible- Flesh gives birth to flesh John3:6

so this tells us that the term Son of God is not used in a physical way-- God has not body..


then the Quran tells us that He is without sin 19:19 He said, I am but a messenger come from thy Lord, to give thee a boy most pure

in the Bible Hebrew 4:15-- We have one ( High Priest who is Christ Jesus ) who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-- yet was without sin.

so in those verses Jesus was without sin

 

[syilla]

how come god has a son?... can't he just create a special human being

or maybe y son... y not daughter

 

[Hussein radi]

LOL a daughter. I like how you think.

 

[PrIM3]

how come god has a son?... can't he just create a special human being

or maybe y son... y not daughter

do you mean why he decided to be incarnated in a body?

do you believe in the burning bush? ( that moses saw?)

 

[Silver]

Jesus is a prophet and he is NOT the son of God.God doesn't need a son and whoever says the opposite is simply not a believer.Jesus did not die and he will come back and kill Al-masih al dajjal and he will break the cross,he will stay on earth for 40 years,urge people to become muslims and then he will die and the muslims will perform the funeral prayer then burry him where the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) (this is based on the sayings of the prophet Muhammed(PBUH))is now burried I was reading about this in a book written bu Ibn Kathir based on the Coran and what the prophet Muhammad(PBUH) used to say.
If u r gonna give proof from the bible then yes,u will read that Jesus is the son of God but he's really not.I don't believe the 4 bibles that exist today.Do u know that during the first 100 years of christianity there were about 30 bilbles?There was the gospel of Thomas,of Judas,of Mark, of Luke...how did they choose 4?Based on what?And it is believed that these 4 bibles were written after the death of the people they were named after.So if u're gonna give proof u can't convince muslims with proof from the new testament.There is no God but ALLAH and Jesus was one of his prophets

 

[PrIM3]

Jesus is a prophet and he is NOT the son of God.God doesn't need a son and whoever says the opposite is simply not a believer.
well thats great.. I am sure many Christians agree to say that Christ was not the Physical Son of God.

God is spirit not human the Quran tells us---


112:1-3 " say: He is God, One, God the everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, and has not been begotten"

as well as the Bible- Flesh gives birth to flesh John3:6

so this tells us that the term Son of God is not used in a physical way-- God has not body..


then the Quran tells us that He is without sin 19:19 He said, I am but a messenger come from thy Lord, to give thee a boy most pure

in the Bible Hebrew 4:15-- We have one ( High Priest who is Christ Jesus ) who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-- yet was without sin.

so in those verses Jesus was without sin


Jesus did not die and he will come back and kill Al-masih al dajjal

really now? please tell me where it states in the quran that Jesus never died...


If u r gonna give proof from the bible then yes,u will read that Jesus is the son of God but he's really not.I don't believe the 4 bibles that exist today.Do u know that during the first 100 years of christianity there were about 30 bilbles?There was the gospel of Thomas,of Judas,of Mark, of Luke...how did they choose 4?Based on what?

well some of the Gospels like judas were not inspirational by the Spirit... but I will study a little more on this subject.



And it is believed that these 4 bibles were written after the death of the people they were named after.

thats not so... not sure who said that. but it is said that all four Gospel writers either wrote down the evidence from the Eyewitnesses or they themselves experienced it.

So if u're gonna give proof u can't convince muslims with proof from the new testament.There is no God but ALLAH and Jesus was one of his prophets

your right I can't overwhelm you with proof... its based on your will and Gods rather than me...

 

[PrIM3]

do Muslims believe in the burning bush? ( that moses saw?)

 

[Alphaseed]

Lots of people shed their blood for their people... and what they perceived as HUMANITY.

Isn't that what the Mujahideen are doing... right now?

The concept is neither new or exclusive.

Ninth Scribe

Yes ,but the blood of teh messiah was without sin, therefore he took sin and paid it, no other man has being able to live sinless.As required by the Law and the prophets of Old.