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Hello Frazer,

I know, if I tell you to worship God, you will not listen to me. But if you fell in love to a religious girl, and she told you that you should worship God if you want to be with her, would you worship God although just pretend?. Or you prefer to lose her because you could not compromising your Atheism belief with worship God although just pretend?.

I ask this question because I've ever met an Atheist guy who told me that if he could meet a girl who made him fell in love, he would worship God if this girl asked him to do it.
If a woman could not tolerate my atheism then I very much doubt I would fall in love with her in the first place but even if I did I would not be able to spend the rest of my life pretending to be religious, so no.

I know this does happen and I find it very strange because surely the woman would realise the man is pretending, I don't know if it's even possible to force someone to believe something, they have to be convinced somehow.
 
Do you ever get annoyed by the intellectual arrogance of other atheists?
 
As-salam ala man ittaba al huda... None disputes concerning the signs of Allah except those who disbelieve, so do not be deceived by their strutting in the land.(quran:40:4)
 
Do you ever get annoyed by the intellectual arrogance of other atheists?
Yes sometimes people can have a bad attitude even if they are correct.

As-salam ala man ittaba al huda... None disputes concerning the signs of Allah except those who disbelieve, so do not be deceived by their strutting in the land.(quran:40:4)
I don't understand why you have posted that to me.
 
Tell us about your journey to atheism. Were you always atheist or did you become one later in life and what made you choose atheism.

Have you studied other religions? Have you read the Quran? Do you want to?

Do you ever wonder if there is God? that is, Do you ever ask yourself 'Does God exist?'
 
Tell us about your journey to atheism. Were you always atheist or did you become one later in life and what made you choose atheism.

Have you studied other religions? Have you read the Quran? Do you want to?

Do you ever wonder if there is God? that is, Do you ever ask yourself 'Does God exist?'
I was mostly on the fence when I was young, I think I had a vague belief in God at one point. In my teenage years I had spiritual beliefs, I believed in the soul, an afterlife and powerful spirits but not a God. I gained an interest in religious and political debate and then towards philosophy, logic, critical thinking and rationality etc. I've have come to the conclusion that there is insufficient evidence or reason to believe in God. I haven't read every major religious text in full but I have read some. However my disbelief in God is not solely down to my knowledge of religion, I don't believe in God on a theistic level so religion isn't a major factor for me. I do how ever have a strong interest in religious, secular and humanist topics.
I think you are being very dishonest.
Why do you think that?
 
Hello / Peace Be Upon You.

Thank you for answering my previous questions. Here are a few more.

1. What do you want to happen to your body after you pass away? Donate your organs? Have a funeral at a church? Cremate your body?

2. A family friend once had everything going for him; A good job, lots of money, a nice home, and a beautiful wife. He didn't believe in God until the day that his son was born with Cancer
(I forgot the name of it, but it was a really rare kind). So my question is to you; who do you turn to when something terrible strikes you or the people closest to you? (ex. your SO getting really sick or your child committing suicide or even a tornado striking your home and destroying everything you have).
 
Hello / Peace Be Upon You.

Thank you for answering my previous questions. Here are a few more.

1. What do you want to happen to your body after you pass away? Donate your organs? Have a funeral at a church? Cremate your body?

2. A family friend once had everything going for him; A good job, lots of money, a nice home, and a beautiful wife. He didn't believe in God until the day that his son was born with Cancer
(I forgot the name of it, but it was a really rare kind). So my question is to you; who do you turn to when something terrible strikes you or the people closest to you? (ex. your SO getting really sick or your child committing suicide or even a tornado striking your home and destroying everything you have).
1. I've never given organ donation much thought but I do like the idea. I wouldn't want a religious service but I don't care too much if it is a church because I don't know anywhere which offers this service which is not a religiously affiliated building of some sort. I want to be cremated, I don't see the point in my body being preserved under the ground in a box. It less practical and expensive for my relatives also.

2. My beliefs by no means rule out terrible things happening so I don't see how anything like this would cause we to believe a higher power was responsible. The only reason I can see somebody becoming a believer after experiencing something so horrific is if psychologically they needed a crutch of sort, some desperate search for a happier ending to it all.
 
One day I was in problem and didn't know how to solve. Then I pray, wish God help me. Few days later suddenly I got a feeling that I should go to a place. I went to that place and met someone who coincidentally visited that place too. I talked with him, and immediately I got an idea to solve my problem. Then my problem solved. Note: I didn't tell him that I was in problem.

I believe my feeling that I should go to that place was the answer from God who had arranged a meeting with someone.

Okay Frazer. Have you ever had experience when you were in problem, suddenly you got a feeling that you should do something, and then it solve your problem?. If you ever had experience like this, what you think about the feeling that 'told' you what you should do?.

Edit: I mean, not the feeling that tell you how to solve your problem, but feeling like you should go to a place and then you see something that gives you an idea.
 
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Don't mean to leap in on Frazer's thread, but just feel I have to mention, that Frazer's responses are his responses alone, and Atheism is not like religions in that it has no common dogma. Frazer's responses to many of your questions may be the polar opposite of mine or those of other atheists.

We do have tendencies to reach some similar conclusions in absence of belief in Gods, but we don't have any common creed to share.

1. Atheism in itself is no more than a lack of belief in God(s).

2. Atheism is no more a religion than bald is a hairstyle or off is a TV show.

3. Atheists can be complete materialists, or they can be very spiritual, believe in reincarnation and spirits, etc.

4. Atheists can reject or endorse Evolution and other scientific theories.

5. Not all atheists are humanists. Not all atheists are anti-religious.
 
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It doesn't fully explain it but it's not incorrect either. It is very complex and I'd be lying if I said I or anyone else could explain everything about it.
We are only human, there are things we are yet to know or may never know.
Can you explain on a cellular and molecular level how your God creates such creatures? I very much doubt it but you still believe he does right, so is this not double standards?

Having the intelligence to understand how something works doesn't mean we therefore have the ability to replicate it, these are two different things.
We have limits to our abilities both mentally and physically even with the aid of technology.
We cannot simply turn around and say therefore that a God must have done it with some sort of magical ability and infinite knowledge because that in itself is an even bigger mystery than the one you are trying to answer it with.
This is called the 'God of Gaps' argument and it's a logic fallacy, I can give you more info on this if you wish or you could Google it.

Right, so in short, you are suggesting that we cannot explain how things around us were created.

And in reality this is the truth. Science has no explanation today as to how the first cell could have formed together, and which was created first: DNA or Protein? The code for each protein is contained in the DNA/RNA system. However, proteins are required in order to manufacture DNA. So which came first: proteins or DNA? The ONLY explanation is that they were created together.

For evolutionists, the chicken or egg dilemma goes even deeper. (Request Rejected)

Some people confuse RNA with DNA saying first RNA was created and DNA is a better form of RNA. But is a deception. RNA is formed from DNA by a process called transcription. This uses enzymes like RNA polymerases. RNA is central to protein synthesis.

I'm sorry for going into technicalities because this is really not the place to write these stuff, my personal approach is generally based on 'common-sense' because I know finding the way to God is (and technically should be) possible for everyone alive on the earth and I don't think everyone will have access to such information in their life span of 50 to 60 years.

You see, saying that who God is and how endless his knowledge and wisdom is, is another mystery -- is very irrelevant. Even the smallest cell is far much more complex than all the computers and all the technology we have today.

Please consider this:
IF we know, that things cannot have come from nothingness (because they are way too complex for that) then we do know someone is responsible for creating these. Now if the one responsible for these is someone who is out of our comprehension, is entirely a different topic, this doesn't negate Him from being the maker of these things.. I mean we do know He is there because we see the things He created. Are you suggesting that we don't believe in God only because we cannot comprehend who He is?

I don't think we have to be philosophical about it. Do you think the Stonehenge was there because.. nobody made it? (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Stonehenge2007_07_30.jpg) or because of climatic changes it was produced (http://images.nationalgeographic.co.../247/cache/stonehenge-above_24772_600x450.jpg )?

This is really amazing, because no one ever argues that. They say someone has made it. How complex is it the thing that we are talking about? ZERO. No complexity at all. But common-sense would make you realize no someone has made it. Now we don't know did it.. does that make you think that since we don't know who did it, we'll reject its creation all together?

Take it a step further, if someone tells you that the Eiffel tower was there because there was a huge reserve of iron at that place and after millions of years, the Eiffel tower (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Base_of_Eiffel_Tower_at_Night.jpg) was created because of the climatic and environmental changes.

Any sane person would call it.. absurd. Of course its absurd.

I don't know who made the Eiffel tower and how they made it.. I don't plan on Googling it, does that direct me to thinking "Oh well, lets just call it evolution." No body made it because I don't know that person, or cannot comprehend how they did it.

The DNA (created naturally) is billions of times more complex than any of the things man has ever created. But they are all still convinced so firmly that it has evolved.

Please reflect on the excerpt from the book:
It is hard to fathom, but the amount of information in human DNA is roughly equivalent to 12 sets of The Encyclopaedia Britannica— an incredible 384 volumes" worth of detailed information that would fill 48 feet of library shelves!
Yet in their actual size—which is only two millionths of a millimeter thick—a teaspoon of DNA, according to molecular biologist Michael Denton, could contain all the information needed to build the proteins for all the species of organisms that have ever lived on the earth, and "there would still be enough room left for all the information in every book ever written" ( Evolution: A Theory in Crisis , 1996, p. 334).


And this is why I say that I am really amazed at people who find it difficult to understand that Allah is the one who created everything that's in the heavens and the earth and everything between these.
 
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One day I was in problem and didn't know how to solve. Then I pray, wish God help me. Few days later suddenly I got a feeling that I should go to a place. I went to that place and met someone who coincidentally visited that place too. I talked with him, and immediately I got an idea to solve my problem. Then my problem solved. Note: I didn't tell him that I was in problem.

I believe my feeling that I should go to that place was the answer from God who had arranged a meeting with someone.

Okay Frazer. Have you ever had experience when you were in problem, suddenly you got a feeling that you should do something, and then it solve your problem?. If you ever had experience like this, what you think about the feeling that 'told' you what you should do?.

Edit: I mean, not the feeling that tell you how to solve your problem, but feeling like you should go to a place and then you see something that gives you an idea.
I've not been compelled to go something like that no but I have had strange urges or feelings about things which have paid off and I was not fully aware where it came from, I would say the most rational explanation would be that its down to the subconscious. I can understand why someone might mistake this for a seperate consciousness but I don't see how its evidence for God. A personal experience which cannot be demonstrated to others cannot serve as evidence. Its also difficult for us to have debates based on personal experiences.
Don't mean to leap in on Frazer's thread, but just feel I have to mention, that Frazer's responses are his responses alone, and Atheism is not like religions in that it has no common dogma. Frazer's responses to many of your questions may be the polar opposite of mine or those of other atheists.

We do have tendencies to reach some similar conclusions in absence of belief in Gods, but we don't have any common creed to share.

1. Atheism in itself is no more than a lack of belief in God(s).

2. Atheism is no more a religion than bald is a hairstyle or off is a TV show.

3. Atheists can be complete materialists, or they can be very spiritual, believe in reincarnation and spirits, etc.

4. Atheists can reject or endorse Evolution and other scientific theories.

5. Not all atheists are humanists. Not all atheists are anti-religious.
True, worth pointing out, thanks.
Right, so in short, you are suggesting that we cannot explain how things around us were created.

And in reality this is the truth. Science has no explanation today as to how the first cell could have formed together, and which was created first: DNA or Protein? The code for each protein is contained in the DNA/RNA system. However, proteins are required in order to manufacture DNA. So which came first: proteins or DNA? The ONLY explanation is that they were created together.

For evolutionists, the chicken or egg dilemma goes even deeper. (Request Rejected)

Some people confuse RNA with DNA saying first RNA was created and DNA is a better form of RNA. But is a deception. RNA is formed from DNA by a process called transcription. This uses enzymes like RNA polymerases. RNA is central to protein synthesis.

I'm sorry for going into technicalities because this is really not the place to write these stuff, my personal approach is generally based on 'common-sense' because I know finding the way to God is (and technically should be) possible for everyone alive on the earth and I don't think everyone will have access to such information in their life span of 50 to 60 years.

You see, saying that who God is and how endless his knowledge and wisdom is, is another mystery -- is very irrelevant. Even the smallest cell is far much more complex than all the computers and all the technology we have today.

Please consider this:
IF we know, that things cannot have come from nothingness (because they are way too complex for that) then we do know someone is responsible for creating these. Now if the one responsible for these is someone who is out of our comprehension, is entirely a different topic, this doesn't negate Him from being the maker of these things.. I mean we do know He is there because we see the things He created. Are you suggesting that we don't believe in God only because we cannot comprehend who He is?

I don't think we have to be philosophical about it. Do you think the Stonehenge was there because.. nobody made it? () or because of climatic changes it was produced ()?

This is really amazing, because no one ever argues that. They say someone has made it. How complex is it the thing that we are talking about? ZERO. No complexity at all. But common-sense would make you realize no someone has made it. Now we don't know did it.. does that make you think that since we don't know who did it, we'll reject its creation all together?

Take it a step further, if someone tells you that the Eiffel tower was there because there was a huge reserve of iron at that place and after millions of years, the Eiffel tower () was created because of the climatic and environmental changes.

Any sane person would call it.. absurd. Of course its absurd.

I don't know who made the Eiffel tower and how they made it.. I don't plan on Googling it, does that direct me to thinking "Oh well, lets just call it evolution." No body made it because I don't know that person, or cannot comprehend how they did it.

The DNA (created naturally) is billions of times more complex than any of the things man has ever created. But they are all still convinced so firmly that it has evolved.

Please reflect on the excerpt from the book:
It is hard to fathom, but the amount of information in human DNA is roughly equivalent to 12 sets of The Encyclopaedia Britannica— an incredible 384 volumes" worth of detailed information that would fill 48 feet of library shelves!
Yet in their actual size—which is only two millionths of a millimeter thick—a teaspoon of DNA, according to molecular biologist Michael Denton, could contain all the information needed to build the proteins for all the species of organisms that have ever lived on the earth, and "there would still be enough room left for all the information in every book ever written" ( Evolution: A Theory in Crisis , 1996, p. 334).


And this is why I say that I am really amazed at people who find it difficult to understand that Allah is the one who created everything that's in the heavens and the earth and everything between these.
Yes in short I believe there is insufficient evidence for us to say exactly how life and the universe began.
The chicken and egg problem has actually been explained. I think what you are getting at is more of a first cause type argument.
If we demand an explanation on how life began they we must demand an equally detailed explanation of how God came to be. It's not enough to say he has the magical powers to do this. This all needs explaining before it can serve as an explanation itself.
The fact we cannot fully explain the origin of life does not mean evolution is therefore flawed but it does have its gaps.
 
Yes in short I believe there is insufficient evidence for us to say exactly how life and the universe began.
The chicken and egg problem has actually been explained. I think what you are getting at is more of a first cause type argument.
If we demand an explanation on how life began they we must demand an equally detailed explanation of how God came to be. It's not enough to say he has the magical powers to do this. This all needs explaining before it can serve as an explanation itself.
The fact we cannot fully explain the origin of life does not mean evolution is therefore flawed but it does have its gaps.

Right, so we are together this far that we don't know how everything came into existence. The only point where we differ is you and I disagree that God did it.

I already talked about this in the post you quoted. If you come back from a vacation and see that your house is completely renovated. Walls are colored, new furniture, new TV everything is looking beautiful.

You know that the first question that will rise in your mind will be: "Who did it?"

Are you suggesting that just because you don't know any one who would do it, you never did it for anyone, why would anyone spend so much money.. and since we don't have answers to these questions, we'll come to the conclusion that it happened all by itself?

My argument is this: If we don't know who did it and how someone did something, HOW DOES THAT PREVENT YOU to BELIEVE that he did it?? Its completely unrelated.

If you cannot understand how God did all of these things.. IT in no possible rational way cause you to stop believing everything He did?

Do you understand my question?
 
Right, so we are together this far that we don't know how everything came into existence. The only point where we differ is you and I disagree that God did it.

I already talked about this in the post you quoted. If you come back from a vacation and see that your house is completely renovated. Walls are colored, new furniture, new TV everything is looking beautiful.

You know that the first question that will rise in your mind will be: "Who did it?"

Are you suggesting that just because you don't know any one who would do it, you never did it for anyone, why would anyone spend so much money.. and since we don't have answers to these questions, we'll come to the conclusion that it happened all by itself?

My argument is this: If we don't know who did it and how someone did something, HOW DOES THAT PREVENT YOU to BELIEVE that he did it?? Its completely unrelated.

If you cannot understand how God did all of these things.. IT in no possible rational way cause you to stop believing everything He did?

Do you understand my question?

I understand your question.

Using your example we know that homes can be and are renovated by people, we know this is possible and yet no of nothing else which can do this.
This doesn't completely rule out that something else could have done it but it leaves us with the only rational explanation that a person/people have done this for whatever reason it may be. If you were to suggest a God did it you would first have to explain God before offering it as an explanation to this. This often causes a circular argument whereby the believer explains the mystery using God and at the same time use God to explain the mystery.

Something such as life or a planet is different because we have no evidence of a human or any other intelligence being capable of creating such a thing. For this reason we cannot compare the creation of a new home to the creation of life.
 
After I read again few last posts which I've written for a Christian and for you, I begin to realize that I have double standard. I could tolerate Christianity, but I urged you to believe in God. But actually, this is an inevitable attitude of religious person that when talk about God with an Atheist. It's because religious people have an instinct to tell about God to those who do not believe.

Okay, Frazer, I want to know your view about religious tolerance. Have you ever questioning why there are religious people who can coexist, can tolerate each other belief, but cannot tolerate Atheism as a belief too?.
[MENTION=9285]Pygoscelis[/MENTION]. You can answer this question too.

:)
 
After I read again few last posts which I've written for a Christian and for you, I begin to realize that I have double standard. I could tolerate Christianity, but I urged you to believe in God. But actually, this is an inevitable attitude of religious person that when talk about God with an Atheist. It's because religious people have an instinct to tell about God to those who do not believe.

Okay, Frazer, I want to know your view about religious tolerance. Have you ever questioning why there are religious people who can coexist, can tolerate each other belief, but cannot tolerate Atheism as a belief too?.
@Pygoscelis. You can answer this question too.

:)
Some religious people are just as intolerant towards people of the same religion too though, sunnis/shiites, catholics/protestants etc.
Some religious people are very tolerant, some aren't and the same goes for atheists too.
 
Here listen to this
 
I really hate appeals to emotions... I get the feeling bro Fraser does too.

Scimi
 

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