women and marriage

[Scimitar]

Bro karl, you are ranting like a latter day maniac. You've not even dealt with the points in my post.

I have no issue with you "preserving your racial purity" lol - what I have an issue with is you claiming that racial mixing leads to disabled children and stuff like that - that is absolute nonsense... do you even know how diverse human DNA is? I can tell you that your own bloodline is not pure, depsite appearances, and if you wish to challenge that, prove it by doing a paternal DNA test and prepare to be shocked.

Heck, a few years ago, a male revert posted how his father was a racist, so he got his father a DNA test for his birthday or Christmas, his father took the test and discovered he had black in him... that shut him up. I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is, or shut up because right now you look like a complete idiot for thinking that racial purity leads to a better gene pool. idiotic, considering downs syndrome always happens within children descended from the same racial groups - going from that alone - it's obvious that your silly theories are nothing but bias, racist bias.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Karl,

i cite to you the example of Abraham pbuh, who married his kinswoman, Sarah - she could not fall pregnant so she gave her servant woman to Abraham, so he could father a child and therefore continue his lineage - the slave woman was Hajar - and she was Egyptian, unlike Abraham and Sarah...

Abraham and Hajar's child was mixed race, and he fathered the Arab nation.

What's your point again?

You should really think HARD before you write nonsense bro Karl,

Scimi

this post places you in the proverbial corner... now you may choose to ignore it - but the members can clearly see what you are doing when you choose to ignore validated information in lieu of your bias... it makes you look compromised as a Muslim.

How do you respond, to:

1) the quote in this post

2) the idea that you are compromising your ability to understand Islam as a peaceful religion which accepts and integrates all peoples into it?

Scimi

 

[Karl]

Bro karl, you are ranting like a latter day maniac. You've not even dealt with the points in my post.

I have no issue with you "preserving your racial purity" lol - what I have an issue with is you claiming that racial mixing leads to disabled children and stuff like that - that is absolute nonsense... do you even know how diverse human DNA is? I can tell you that your own bloodline is not pure, depsite appearances, and if you wish to challenge that, prove it by doing a paternal DNA test and prepare to be shocked.

Heck, a few years ago, a male revert posted how his father was a racist, so he got his father a DNA test for his birthday or Christmas, his father took the test and discovered he had black in him... that shut him up. I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is, or shut up because right now you look like a complete idiot for thinking that racial purity leads to a better gene pool. idiotic, considering downs syndrome always happens within children descended from the same racial groups - going from that alone - it's obvious that your silly theories are nothing but bias, racist bias.

Scimi

There have been many studies (those conducted by non leftist and non mongrel propagandists of course) that have shown that hybridization of different hominin races leads to all kinds of health problems, lowering of intelligence, not to mention PHYSICAL DISPROPORTION too, which as far as I'm concerned is even WORSE still.

You have NO evidence to arrogantly claim that my bloodline is not pure. And FYI, I HAVE had a DNA test done and I can assure that I am 100% GERMANIC! -- a particular RACE of Germanic too. You don't even know me or what race I am. The odds are is that you have never even seen a member of my race as we keep to ourselves in isolation and are only a few thousand in number -- plenty of course to maintain healthy genetic variation! Our family have for thousands of years considered it to be the most ultimate sin to mongrelize (particularly with a completely alien race) and I can guarantee you that we will NEVER change our minds on that.

In regards to your revert whose father discovered he had recessive negro genes in him, I'm not denying that ever happens because it does of course happen, but I can assure you that I have no alien hominin genetics that have tainted my bloodline. Incidentally, as much as I despise and utterly forbid miscegenation, I would actually at least consider it a far less abomination to hybridize with a sub-Saharan negro than a south or southeast Asian, because at least the negro's size and morphology would ensure that I would maintain my athletic big sturdy strong size, whereas an Asian would gracilize and therefore effeminize and destroy my looks and make my offspring look softer, smaller and punier and the males start to look like homosexuals. For me that is the most ultimate abomination and something I would promptly weed out if somehow such a physical trait ever surfaced. As far as my race is concerned loss of sturdiness, size and strength is even much worse than the issue of intelligence loss.

You are also downright lying when you talk about various degenerative conditions being the result of breeding within a race. These conditions result when there is too much inbreeding within immediate family members, NOT the race as a whole!! And Downs Syndrome has been proven to be something that can occur quite randomly, regardless of whether there's been miscegenation of not. Downs Syndrome people are just randomly flawed products -- they are the result of an accidental chromosome addition in a sex cell.

Naturally I would expect someone of your pro-mongrelizing mentality to put the fangs right into this, but have a read anyway:

http://www.dailystormer.com/the-dire-consequences-of-interracial-breeding/

 

[ahmad_abdulaziz]

Wow. You are seriously deluded. I don't know how really naive and your intelligence has been lowered. Surprising to say you are apparently germanic. But then you are not because that's really dumb to be better than other. I guess you don't really have that knowledge of Islam because I don't see you be fit for it. Take your brain somewhere else.

We are children of Adam. We all carry his genes till now. The reason why we have many different races because they all are subject to Allah's creation which you are nothing to defy his creations. HE creates anything impossible to possible and all that is a test to us.

He created you to be "apparently" germanic and you have eyes to see different races as a test to you but you chose to be **** ignorant and pride full against other races. You even forget we all came from Adam.

Lets say, 2 nego married couple gave a birth to a white child when their lineage from their forefathers before are all nego. That's an example of Allah 's decision.

From what I can see, you are pretty much compromised as a Muslim and I can see that you carry that much ignorance pride of iblees.

 

[ahmad_abdulaziz]

“He whose heart has an atom-weight of kibr (pride and arrogance) will not enter Paradise.” (Muslim)

 

[Karl]

Wow. You are seriously deluded. I don't know how really naive and your intelligence has been lowered. Surprising to say you are apparently germanic. But then you are not because that's really dumb to be better than other. I guess you don't really have that knowledge of Islam because I don't see you be fit for it. Take your brain somewhere else.

We are children of Adam. We all carry his genes till now. The reason why we have many different races because they all are subject to Allah's creation which you are nothing to defy his creations. HE creates anything impossible to possible and all that is a test to us.

He created you to be "apparently" germanic and you have eyes to see different races as a test to you but you chose to be **** ignorant and pride full against other races. You even forget we all came from Adam.

Lets say, 2 nego married couple gave a birth to a white child when their lineage from their forefathers before are all nego. That's an example of Allah 's decision.

From what I can see, you are pretty much compromised as a Muslim and I can see that you carry that much ignorance pride of iblees.

To begin with, Just because I have pointed out that I'm Germanic I nonetheless NEVER said that my race is inherently "superior" to a different race of hominin (nor any other living creature for that matter). I am merely different. I regard myself as no more inherently superior to a common bug (even though I am more intelligent).

Yes, it says in the quran that "humankind" is the creation of Allah and that all are descendants of Adam (Earth). Don't however take old testament stories such as Noah and the ark too literally, they were only meant as poetic parables written in grandiose exaggerated language. We do need to remember that in the time before Muhammed (phuh), "humankind" by the context of the time was generally understood to mean the races of the near Asian locale, as was the story of Noah's flood, it was just a local flood because it is impossible to flood the entire planet and fit all the planet's animals in one ark! Many alien races from far away foreign lands were not even known about. So it's a matter of interpretation and opinion what at the time was meant by "humankind". I do not accept that I am descended from Adam in the literal sense and I won't tolerate being co-opted by any other race or races (white or otherwise) into some united globalist hominin collective that wishes to fanatically insist that all humans are of the "same species". If all humans are the same species then I for one refuse to be referred to as human.

As one who is utterly convinced by polygenism principles I simply do not accept that I have common ancestors with those of different races, particularly completely alien races. I believe that different races have completely independent lineages from completely independent breeding pairs. Not sure if you are right that I was never really "fit" for embracing Islam (the uncivilized barbarian savage that I am)...so what are you asking me to do then? Persuade me to apostatize because of my firm inexorable position on race?

Note well too that Germanic is NOT the same and one as white. While a Germanic is inherently white, a white is not necessarily Germanic/Nordic. There are some races that are light in skin colour but not Germanic.

In regard to your reference to Negros... if two Negros (or two Asians for that matter) produced a Nordic looking child, while it would be extremely rare there is a fully scientific explanation for this phenomenon, and that is that both parent's lineages would have at some point been subjected to the abomination of miscegenation carried out by irresponsible race traitors. The Nordic physical features may have been kept recessive for a time only to suddenly show in the offspring of some successive generation.

 

[Scimitar]

Germanic tribes are not pure - there is no such thing as pure race. Simply because through the passage of time, all peoples have at some point inter mingled. Your own pride for being Germanic seems ill founded considering you are of Indo-Aryan stock, meaning your people settled in India at one point, mixed and then travelled northward to become the germanic peoples... I am surprised you are ignorant of that FACT.

So you wanting to preserve racial purity is not justified on that ground.

Further, Islamically, during the expansion of the Muslim empire, the influx of new Muslims from different lands saw many ethnically diverse Muslims marry each other, have children and carry on normally... the very fact that Prophet's themselves have been known to marry outside of their race and father entire nations from these is a sure fire factor that you have bought into the deceptions of dunya.

Oh well, to each their own I guess. And I don't mean racial "own"... lol

Scimi

 

[ardianto]

I HAVE had a DNA test done and I can assure that I am 100% GERMANIC!

As Malayan Mongoloid I am not as tall as you, not as white as you, I have no blonde hair, my eyes is not blue. But I am happy with my physical appearance.

So, if you are Germanic then why?. I am not jealous to your physical appearance.

 

[ardianto]

Brother Ahmad Abdulaziz story actually is almost contrast with my story. If bro Abdulaziz was rejected by an Arab girl, when I was young and unmarried I have ever rejected an Arab girl (Yemeni descendant) who approached me through pretend that I already had a future wife. It made her so ashamed and didn't want to talk to me again.

But that had nothing to do with race. I just didn't feel matched with her. If then I married a girl from my own race, that's not because I obligated myself to marry only with girl from my own race, but because I felt matched with her.

For me, race and ethnic is not important, but religion is very important. I didn't want to get an obstacle to get married if I fell in love with a non-Muslim girl. I have no preference which based on race or ethnic when I was looking for a wife. For me, a woman is still a woman, no matter from which race or ethnic she is.

 

[Karl]

Germanic tribes are not pure - there is no such thing as pure race. Simply because through the passage of time, all peoples have at some point inter mingled. Your own pride for being Germanic seems ill founded considering you are of Indo-Aryan stock, meaning your people settled in India at one point, mixed and then travelled northward to become the germanic peoples... I am surprised you are ignorant of that FACT.

So you wanting to preserve racial purity is not justified on that ground.

Further, Islamically, during the expansion of the Muslim empire, the influx of new Muslims from different lands saw many ethnically diverse Muslims marry each other, have children and carry on normally... the very fact that Prophet's themselves have been known to marry outside of their race and father entire nations from these is a sure fire factor that you have bought into the deceptions of dunya.

Oh well, to each their own I guess. And I don't mean racial "own"... lol

Scimi

You have no evidence that all the Germanics are not pure. The Franks even ate Muslims during the Crusades and you think a civilised race would want to breed with them? Germanics did breed with each other eg Anglo Saxons and Vikings mixing with Goths but that was considered radical enough. They were generally very tribal.
I know people who have looked all over India searching for Germanic people there. And have spent years there and the only Germanics they encountered were tourists or ones that stayed on after the British Raj. The first whites to enter India were the Greeks not Germanic people.
That Aryan story is a lie. They were a tribe from Ariana modern day Iran. Their old name was the Hyksos and they conquered Egypt with chariots with blades and demonized the old god Set and replaced him with the Sun god Ra. They conquered the north of India in 2000 BC and the local Indians called them Aryans (meaning "noble ones"). The only Germanics that conquered India was the British Empire thousands of years later. The British and the Nazis propagated the Aryan lie for propaganda reasons 1 is that they had an ancient foot hold in the East so they had a right to be there. 2 that they were a very sophisticated people for thousands of years. But it is all a lie as the Germanics were simple primitive barbarians living in disorganised bands fighting amongst themselves for thousands of years and only became civilised relatively recently. The sophisticated tribes and war masters that built great empires were not Germanics, they were foreign races. The Germanics started to rise in sophistication and organisation at the time they overthrew the Roman Empire. The Germanics are still barbarous but their gift is their ability to absorb foreign culture and technology and even religion very quickly in the pursuit of conquest. The downside is that many of them have been assimilated and are loyal to Zionism, cultural Marxism and modern Jewish culture because of the Zionist conquest of Europe post ww2.
I find it odd you siding with British and Nazi propaganda as all the Muslims I have talked to knew these lies and have always rebutted them. It was the Iranians that were the ancient sophisticated civilization that conquered North India.

 

[MuslimInshallah]

Assalaamu alaikum Karl,

(cheerful) Well, I'm a mongrel (twinkle. With some Germanic, incidentally). So I guess that I'm an abomination. (smile) And my children must be even more abominable, I suppose.

(smile) Fortunately, what Allah requires of me (and them), is that we try our mongrel best. (softly) Only taqwa counts…

All else is illusion.

May Allah, the Designer and the Fashioner of Forms, open your heart to the beauty He has Created.

 

[Karl]

Assalaamu alaikum Karl,

(cheerful) Well, I'm a mongrel (twinkle. With some Germanic, incidentally). So I guess that I'm an abomination. (smile) And my children must be even more abominable, I suppose.

(smile) Fortunately, what Allah requires of me (and them), is that we try our mongrel best. (softly) Only taqwa counts…

All else is illusion.

May Allah, the Designer and the Fashioner of Forms, open your heart to the beauty He has Created.

Walaikum salam, Musliminshallah. I am not here to judge you. What your parents have done to you and what you have done to your own offspring is none of my business, so it is simply not up to me to judge you. I will however speak for myself though. I am inexorably intent on never allowing members of my family to hybridize with another race, PARTICULARLY one that is size-wise, physically and behaviourally dissimilar and therefore incompatible. And my offspring know full well that I have utterly forbidden them to hybridize otherwise there will be catastrophic consequences for them (which I will not mention here). Such an act as far as I'm concerned is an utterly disrespectful and insulting slap in the face to my ancestors who all have each played their part in being a responsible preserver of our race's untainted lineage. Aesthetics and common sense comes into it a lot. It is sheer insanity to want to mix a Rottweiler or Alsatian with a Chihuahua or Papillon, and that by analogy is what hybridizing a Germanic with an Asian is doing.

 

[Karl]

As Malayan Mongoloid I am not as tall as you, not as white as you, I have no blonde hair, my eyes is not blue. But I am happy with my physical appearance.

So, if you are Germanic then why?. I am not jealous to your physical appearance.

Ardianto, I am VERY happy that you are happy with your own physical appearance. Good for you! And let me set things straight here: Even though I look completely different to you and would stand out in one of your streets like a big sore toe, of COURSE I am no BETTER than you. Better is NOT a synonym for different! In your own independent right I am sure you possess many appealing physical attributes. In fact I think that South East Asians are aesthetically physically pleasing and amazingly cute as a button, BUT you look best staying racially untainted by hybridizing with us Germanics, who are by massive comparison big, sturdy, and hard-featured. The two very disparate physiologies of our races are simply incompatible.

 

[ardianto]

Ardianto, I am VERY happy that you are happy with your own physical appearance. Good for you! And let me set things straight here: Even though I look completely different to you and would stand out in one of your streets like a big sore toe, of COURSE I am no BETTER than you. Better is NOT a synonym for different! In your own independent right I am sure you possess many appealing physical attributes. In fact I think that South East Asians are aesthetically physically pleasing and amazingly cute as a button, BUT you look best staying racially untainted by hybridizing with us Germanics, who are by massive comparison big, sturdy, and hard-featured. The two very disparate physiologies of our races are simply incompatible.

Faculty of economics actually was not my first choice because when I was in high school I had a dream to become anthropologist. I always had high score in anthropology. Of course I know about racial diversity.

Karl, you must be taller than me, your skin color must be lighter than me. But, it's because you are Germanic-Caucasoid, while I am Malayan-Mongoloid. Of course we have different physical features. Yes, I am happy with my physical appearance because if compared with other people from my race, I am not short and my skin is not dark.

 

[Karl]

I had read somewhere that there are over 200 main racial divisions in Indonesia alone, so it's not at all surprising that you say you yourself are of a differing height and skin colour to some others there.

The still common claim that Germanics are "Caucasoid" is faulty and outdated. The only true Caucasoid races are those that originally came from the Caucasus region, and these people are more Slavic rather than Germanic.

 

[ardianto]

I had read somewhere that there are over 200 main racial divisions in Indonesia alone, so it's not at all surprising that you say you yourself are of a differing height and skin colour to some others there.

The correct is, there are more than 200 ethnic group which divided by culture and custom. But there are only two indigenous races in Indonesia. The majority are Malayan which not pure Mongoloid, and minority who live in eastern part are Melanesian which related to Pacific Islander people.

The still common claim that Germanics are "Caucasoid" is faulty and outdated. The only true Caucasoid races are those that originally came from the Caucasus region, and these people are more Slavic rather than Germanic.

I know the difference between people of Caucasus region and people from western Europe. But term "Caucasoid" is still used until now for White people. You can see in American movie which police use term "Caucasian" for White.

The term "Mongoloid" itself was taken from "Mongolia". But later anthropologists realize that Mongolian people actually have less physical features compared with other mongoloid. Mongolian are big and tall, few of them even blonde. many of them have Caucasian face feature although with slanted eyes.

By the way, Karl, although I know the difference between one race and other races, for me human are still human. So I would not mind if my sons want to marry Black or White women.

 

[Karl]

The correct is, there are more than 200 ethnic group which divided by culture and custom. But there are only two indigenous races in Indonesia. The majority are Malayan which not pure Mongoloid, and minority who live in eastern part are Melanesian which related to Pacific Islander people.


I know the difference between people of Caucasus region and people from western Europe. But term "Caucasoid" is still used until now for White people. You can see in American movie which police use term "Caucasian" for White.

The term "Mongoloid" itself was taken from "Mongolia". But later anthropologists realize that Mongolian people actually have less physical features compared with other mongoloid. Mongolian are big and tall, few of them even blonde. many of them have Caucasian face feature although with slanted eyes.

By the way, Karl, although I know the difference between one race and other races, for me human are still human. So I would not mind if my sons want to marry Black or White women.

Yes the travel book I got the info from was probably wrong.

Here is some interesting info from Wiki (Wiki can't be trusted but anyways)

"Most Native Indonesians are genetically close to Asians while the more eastern one goes how more people show Melanesian affinity. Geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza claims that there is a genetic division between East and Southeast Asians.[18] In a like manner, Zhou Jixu agrees that there is a physical difference between these two populations.[19] Other geneticists have found evidence for four separate populations, carrying distinct sets of non-recombining Y chromosome lineages, within the traditional Mongoloid category: North Asians, Han Chinese, Japanese and Southeast Asians.[20] The complexity of genetic data has led to doubt about the usefulness of the concept of a Mongoloid race itself, since distinctive East Asian features may represent separate lineages and arise from environmental adaptations or retention of common proto-Eurasian ancestral characteristics.[21]"

I suppose the term Mongoloid and all the other 19th century terms are out of date as genetic knowledge is getting very accurate and the codes can be read of every individual. Think of the Mongol Genghis Kahn and his folk, they had nothing in common with Indonesians but South Asians look fairly close to South East Asians.

And you talk of the rare blonde Mongol, probably a hybrid with a Viking. Even in New Zealand there is a legend that some Vikings got down here and that's why there are some red haired Maori here. Some people even believe the Norse were here before the Polynesians. Who knows...Antarctica could be the lost continent of Atlantis, there are just too many holes in history.

So you don't feel right mixing with another race but you don't mind your sons mixing? Be honest, how would you feel about your sons bringing home some big white knuckle dragging women or big heavy set negresses? Think of your grandchildren.

BTW Don't trust anthropology books and info on the net too much as they are politically manipulated by Cultural Marxists often these days. Reds control lots of academic institutions and universities in the West. Scientific information proven fact from many politically different nations is more trustworthy.

 

[saif-uddin]

I have found some correlations among the women and i am not the best to judge. Allah is the one who judge. I am trying to get married because i am 25 years old which is quite late.

I have not found any women because the reason is that they tend to pick a better man than me. SubhanAllah i have seen this trend across the world. I refuse to marry my own race/nation because i am against racism.

There is one incident before, I had met a lovely woman from palestine and we were great. I helped her through hard architecture times and i pushed her grades higher. I realize she is probably i needed to marry. She went back to Saudi and her mum knows about me. The problem is i am from a different country and her family preferred her to marry one of her cousin. When she got back from saudi, everything changed and she told me that she had met a man that she falls love with. It was her cousin or someone from her country. I was like you knew him for like a week or so and suddenly its like that while mine has been months. I showed her who i truly am but she just choose what she wants. I could not believe it. I was shocked. But then, i have moved on. I was wrong all the time.

The other one is also the same but different situation and all that points to why women choose a man that is better than him. Like for example, through the social media and my real life experiences, that woman has been with that guy who has a bad heart while the good ones are left out. I met a women through her friend, i observed who she is and then i saw her with her man. I was like okay and then when i was at other place. I saw him walking around and he was smoking. His attitude is appalling. I question myself thinking why and how can those good women choose that kind of men?

The strange thing is, when a good women choose a good man, they are both the most happiest people that i have know of in my experience.

So, at the moment its difficult to get married because those good ones wont choose me so how am gonna face this again??? because the majority of the women tend to choose whatever the "guy who is better than him"

wasalaaam

:wasalam:

Marrying from your own race/nation does not mean one is Racist.

:jz: