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Allah only destroyed the tribe of Nuh as. They were the only people on the earth at that stage
How well do you know the Anbiyaa (alayhim assalaam)?
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“He created the human from a clay, like pottery. And the Jinn He created from a smokeless fire.” (55:14-15)
“And We have created man from a clay hardened and shaped. And the Jinn, We created him before that from the fire of the fierce hot winds.” (15:26-27)
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I don't usually refer to links, but what I would write in words, I have taken from a video that helped me comprehend it.
Most of the scholars today agree that the "whole world" wasn't flooded. Even scientific evidence proves that the whole world wasn't flooded at the time of Nuh PBUH.
Here's an explanation of it:
How would you refute these then?
Most of the scholars today agree that the "whole world" wasn't flooded. Even scientific evidence proves that the whole world wasn't flooded at the time of Nuh PBUH.
Here's an explanation of it:
How would you refute these then?
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Th book of Enoch is dated back to 300bc. It is written in Aramaic and Hebrew, and can be found in the dead sea scrolls. I don't know exactly why it isn't canonical, but it should be. The original book is older than the dead sea scrolls. Why do you consider it a forgery or lie? Do you consider the dead sea scrolls to also be forgeries? The book is quite prophetic.Thanks, peace.RE: Book of Enoch (Idris AS)
The book of enoch is supposed to be an ancient religious work ascribed by tradition to Enoch, the great grandfather of Noah (Alaihis salaam).
The problem here is that the Jews were not even an idea let alone a race when Enoch lived.
And when Noah's ark settled the earth, there were no humans left except for Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives... Where is the book of Noah?
How did a book of a pre-flood prophet survive and yet, Noah's own revelations not survive?
It wasn't until approx 2900 year later (according to biblical timelines) between Enoch and David (father of Jews) - and there was a world flood between then too.
Moses was before David - yet Moses never spoke of any book of Enoch.
the israelites at the time of their slavery in Egypt, had all but lost their religion, and had started to worship Egyptian deities.
SO I ask - what nonsense is this regarding the Book of Enoch? its a LIE.
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mixed theories from so called "scientific experts in their respective fields" - your picture hardly constitutes as evidence though.
In an interview with Christiane Amanpour for ABC News, Robert Ballard, one of the world's best-known underwater archaeologists, talked about his findings. His team is probing the depths of the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey in search of traces of an ancient civilization hidden underwater since the time of Noah.
Ballard's track record for finding the impossible is well known. In 1985, using a robotic submersible equipped with remote-controlled cameras, Ballard and his crew hunted down the world's most famous shipwreck, the Titanic.
Now Ballard is using even more advanced robotic technology to travel farther back in time. He is on a marine archeological mission that might support the story of Noah. He said some 12,000 years ago, much of the world was covered in ice.
"Where I live in Connecticut was ice a mile above my house, all the way back to the North Pole, about 15 million kilometers, that's a big ice cube," he said. "But then it started to melt. We're talking about the floods of our living history."
The water from the melting glaciers began to rush toward the world's oceans, Ballard said, causing floods all around the world.
"The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.
According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.
Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.
"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."
Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred.
"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under."
The theory goes on to suggest that the story of this traumatic event, seared into the collective memory of the survivors, was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.
Noah is described in the Bible as a family man, a father of three, who is about to celebrate his 600th birthday.
"In the early chapters of Genesis, people live 800 years, 700 years, 900 years," said Rabbi Burt Visotzky, a professor of Talmud and Rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. "Those are mythic numbers, those are way too big. We don't quite know what to do with that. So sometimes those large numbers, I think, also serve to reinforce the mystery of the text."
Some of the details of the Noah story seem mythical, so many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular "The Epic of Gilgamesh." These ancient narratives were already being passed down from one generation to the next, centuries before Noah appeared in the Bible.
"The earlier Mesopotamian stories are very similar where the gods are sending a flood to wipe out humans," said biblical archaeologist Eric Cline. "There's one man they choose to survive. He builds a boat and brings on animals and lands on a mountain and lives happily ever after? I would argue that it's the same story."
Catastrophic events of this kind are not unique to the Bible. Some contemporary examples include the 2004 tsunami that wiped out villages on the coasts of 11 countries surrounding the Indian Ocean. There was also Hurricane Katrina, described as the worst hurricane in United States history.
Scholars aren't sure if the biblical flood was larger or smaller than these modern day disasters, but they do think the experiences of people in ancient times were similar to our own.
"If you witness a terrible natural disaster, yes, you want a scientific explanation why this has happened," said Karen Armstrong, author of "A History of God." "But you also need to something that will help you to assuage your grief and anguish and rage. And it is here that myth helps us through that."
Regardless of whether the details of the Noah story are historically accurate, Armstrong believes this story and all the Biblical stories are telling us "about our predicament in the world now."
Back in the Black Sea, Ballard said he is aware that not everyone agrees with his conclusions about the time and size of the flood, but he's confident he's on the path to finding something from the biblical period.
"We started finding structures that looked like they were man-made structures," Ballard said. "That's where we are focusing our attention right now."
At first Ballard's team found piles of ancient pottery, but then they made an even more important discovery. Last year, Ballard discovered a vessel and one of its crew members in the Black Sea.
"That is a perfectly preserved ancient shipwreck in all its wood, looks like a lumber yard," he said. "But if you look closely, you will see the femur bone and actually a molar."
The shipwreck was in surprisingly good condition, preserved because the Black Sea has almost no oxygen in it, which slows down the process of decay, but it does not date back as far as the story of Noah.
"The oldest shipwreck that we have discovered so far of that area is around 500 BC, classical period," Ballard said. "But the question is you just keep searching. It's a matter of statistics."
Still, Ballard said the find gives him hope that he will discover something older "because there, in fact, the deep sea is the largest museum on Earth," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533
In an interview with Christiane Amanpour for ABC News, Robert Ballard, one of the world's best-known underwater archaeologists, talked about his findings. His team is probing the depths of the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey in search of traces of an ancient civilization hidden underwater since the time of Noah.
Ballard's track record for finding the impossible is well known. In 1985, using a robotic submersible equipped with remote-controlled cameras, Ballard and his crew hunted down the world's most famous shipwreck, the Titanic.
Now Ballard is using even more advanced robotic technology to travel farther back in time. He is on a marine archeological mission that might support the story of Noah. He said some 12,000 years ago, much of the world was covered in ice.
"Where I live in Connecticut was ice a mile above my house, all the way back to the North Pole, about 15 million kilometers, that's a big ice cube," he said. "But then it started to melt. We're talking about the floods of our living history."
The water from the melting glaciers began to rush toward the world's oceans, Ballard said, causing floods all around the world.
"The questions is, was there a mother of all floods," Ballard said.
According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.
Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.
"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."
Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred.
"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under."
The theory goes on to suggest that the story of this traumatic event, seared into the collective memory of the survivors, was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.
Noah is described in the Bible as a family man, a father of three, who is about to celebrate his 600th birthday.
"In the early chapters of Genesis, people live 800 years, 700 years, 900 years," said Rabbi Burt Visotzky, a professor of Talmud and Rabbinics at the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York. "Those are mythic numbers, those are way too big. We don't quite know what to do with that. So sometimes those large numbers, I think, also serve to reinforce the mystery of the text."
Some of the details of the Noah story seem mythical, so many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular "The Epic of Gilgamesh." These ancient narratives were already being passed down from one generation to the next, centuries before Noah appeared in the Bible.
"The earlier Mesopotamian stories are very similar where the gods are sending a flood to wipe out humans," said biblical archaeologist Eric Cline. "There's one man they choose to survive. He builds a boat and brings on animals and lands on a mountain and lives happily ever after? I would argue that it's the same story."
Catastrophic events of this kind are not unique to the Bible. Some contemporary examples include the 2004 tsunami that wiped out villages on the coasts of 11 countries surrounding the Indian Ocean. There was also Hurricane Katrina, described as the worst hurricane in United States history.
Scholars aren't sure if the biblical flood was larger or smaller than these modern day disasters, but they do think the experiences of people in ancient times were similar to our own.
"If you witness a terrible natural disaster, yes, you want a scientific explanation why this has happened," said Karen Armstrong, author of "A History of God." "But you also need to something that will help you to assuage your grief and anguish and rage. And it is here that myth helps us through that."
Regardless of whether the details of the Noah story are historically accurate, Armstrong believes this story and all the Biblical stories are telling us "about our predicament in the world now."
Back in the Black Sea, Ballard said he is aware that not everyone agrees with his conclusions about the time and size of the flood, but he's confident he's on the path to finding something from the biblical period.
"We started finding structures that looked like they were man-made structures," Ballard said. "That's where we are focusing our attention right now."
At first Ballard's team found piles of ancient pottery, but then they made an even more important discovery. Last year, Ballard discovered a vessel and one of its crew members in the Black Sea.
"That is a perfectly preserved ancient shipwreck in all its wood, looks like a lumber yard," he said. "But if you look closely, you will see the femur bone and actually a molar."
The shipwreck was in surprisingly good condition, preserved because the Black Sea has almost no oxygen in it, which slows down the process of decay, but it does not date back as far as the story of Noah.
"The oldest shipwreck that we have discovered so far of that area is around 500 BC, classical period," Ballard said. "But the question is you just keep searching. It's a matter of statistics."
Still, Ballard said the find gives him hope that he will discover something older "because there, in fact, the deep sea is the largest museum on Earth," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533
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It's a question of logic.
The Jews lost their Torah when they were capture by Nebuchadnezzar and taken as slaves to babylon. Over that 70 year period, all trace of their religion was taken so no Torahs were in existence.
The Torah was re-written from memory and has been undergoing revisions right up til the canon process - so I ask, how can a work attributed to the Prophet Enoch who apparently lived almost 4000 years before that time, still exist in the 3rd century BCE?
Of course its known as an apocryphal work, meaning it is of unknown authorship, doubtful authenticity, or spurious, not to be considered in the canon.
That's why it isn't there - they got that right at least.
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come on bro, they're like humans in nature of imaan though their pride is more difficult for them to overcome due to the fact that Allah chose lowly and base man over them like He chose Yusuf over his brothers "though they were a strong lot",
they have their tranformers and star travelling abilities but sometimes get chased down from the lower heaven by piercing bright flames when they get caught eavesdropping on the transmissions to angels.
but imaan is a thing which Allah has not deprived them of:
ok regarding origin we haven't been given much information but have read in Islamic books that mr diablo/diabolis/iblis was the commander of the jinn and probably hoping to be khalifah on earth, he was knows as a "most worshipful master" ( a term which the masons now use to refer to their grand masters of lodges).
from various vague sources we are told that he was chief sentinel of some sort (the term "shaytaan" / "satan" / "sataniel" appear to mean sentinel.
they have the ability to fuse/merge/shadow their spirits with the spirits of mankind and even mess with the chemical balance in the brain in a backdoor trojan manner, therefore it can be deduced/theorised that there is a form of electricity/radio interference in them since the lithium and alkiline etc in the brain produce currents and voltages through nerves to process information and send commands to the body through the spine.
a bit like agent smith entering the bodies in the matrix, the people with the thingummys in their heads that tether to the control chairs and the people in inception are like the human khannaas who whisper evil thoughts mentioned in surah naas or those blue monkey demons in the immobility boxes in avatar.
lol this sounds too outrageous i'm gonna take a rest.
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It is said that Iblees attained the rank of Angels because his worship rivalled their even though he never had imaan - he desired to worship Allah from his nafs.
And the Prophet pbuh had Nafs Zakkiyyah.
Can this be possible? Can you entertain this idea? For a Jinn? one that wasn't given Imaan and so - eventually let his ego get the better of him?
Think on that. get back to me.
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And the Prophet pbuh had Nafs Zakkiyyah.
Can this be possible? Can you entertain this idea? For a Jinn? one that wasn't given Imaan and so - eventually let his ego get the better of him?
Think on that. get back to me.
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i think he had the option of imaan but chose to try and flatter God so that he would get the job, then God tested him with Adam and he showed his true colours.the angels are made of light however humans and jinn were given darkness and light.since Allah has given both jinn and humans an amount of free will from His own presence and a desire for domination and power Iblis was probably biding his time.now the masons have been working with them after being deceived into thinking that they'd take dominion but some crazy dude appeared to undeceive the masses.
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There are 4 types of nafs I know about from study.
[h=2]The Evil Soul[/h]The Quran describes three different types of nafs. The first one is the lowest kind, called nafs al-ammara, or the evil soul. The Quran says, “Lo! the (human) soul enjoineth unto evil, save that whereon my Lord hath mercy.” This nafs pushes the individual to do wrong and pursue worldly desires such as wealth, fame, power, physical gratification and exploitation of others.
[h=2]The Self-Reproaching Soul[/h]The second type of nafs described in the Quran is called nafs al-lawwamah, or the self-reproaching soul. The Quran says “And I do call to witness the self-reproaching spirit.“ As an individual struggles to replace his wrongdoings with good actions, the reproachful soul takes over. This soul is an individual’s conscience talking back to him when he does wrong and exemplifies jihad. When he does wrong, it tells him it's not OK and to repent, knowing that there is a day of reckoning.
[h=2]The Content Soul[/h]The third type of nafs is the highest level, called nafs al-mutma’innah, or the soul that is content and happy with what God has given him. The Quran says, “O (thou) soul, in (complete) rest and satisfaction! Come back thou to thy Lord,- well pleased (thyself), and well-pleasing unto Him! Enter thou, then, among My devotees! Yea, enter thou My Heaven!” This soul is the most purified of wrongdoing and is the most worthy of Allah's acceptance. With this soul an individual is not envious or jealous and has no animosity in his heart towards others, but instead is at peace.
These are the other three. The first I mentioned above.
Which one do you think Iblees was nurturing?
And did he switch when his pride became pushed because he would no longer be viceregent on earth after Adam (pbuh) would be placed there?
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[h=2]The Evil Soul[/h]The Quran describes three different types of nafs. The first one is the lowest kind, called nafs al-ammara, or the evil soul. The Quran says, “Lo! the (human) soul enjoineth unto evil, save that whereon my Lord hath mercy.” This nafs pushes the individual to do wrong and pursue worldly desires such as wealth, fame, power, physical gratification and exploitation of others.
[h=2]The Self-Reproaching Soul[/h]The second type of nafs described in the Quran is called nafs al-lawwamah, or the self-reproaching soul. The Quran says “And I do call to witness the self-reproaching spirit.“ As an individual struggles to replace his wrongdoings with good actions, the reproachful soul takes over. This soul is an individual’s conscience talking back to him when he does wrong and exemplifies jihad. When he does wrong, it tells him it's not OK and to repent, knowing that there is a day of reckoning.
[h=2]The Content Soul[/h]The third type of nafs is the highest level, called nafs al-mutma’innah, or the soul that is content and happy with what God has given him. The Quran says, “O (thou) soul, in (complete) rest and satisfaction! Come back thou to thy Lord,- well pleased (thyself), and well-pleasing unto Him! Enter thou, then, among My devotees! Yea, enter thou My Heaven!” This soul is the most purified of wrongdoing and is the most worthy of Allah's acceptance. With this soul an individual is not envious or jealous and has no animosity in his heart towards others, but instead is at peace.
These are the other three. The first I mentioned above.
Which one do you think Iblees was nurturing?
And did he switch when his pride became pushed because he would no longer be viceregent on earth after Adam (pbuh) would be placed there?
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The book of Enoch would have had to have come from before the Torah in some form. He would have been before Moses, right?
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He would have been of pride and greed and evil from start to finish. In my opinion.
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Apologies, but was does dabiq mean? I have never heard this word before. I have heard Muhammad Mustafa :saws:, or just Muhammad :saws:, as we have been commanded to say :saws: after his name, but I have never heard the term Muhammad dabiq. Please could you clarify what this means?
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Yep .... typing in haste, instead of the customary salutation, this came up
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According to verse 15:27, Allah created the Jinn from smokeless fire, somewhere in the skies. The first Jinn was named Marij, and his wife was Marija. They had many children who divided into clans and sub-clans. One son was named Azazil, whose father was Khablith, and his mother Nablith. The entire Jinn species inhabited the earth and were generally corrupt, except for Azazil. So much did he worship that the angels grew amazed, and said to Allah: “O Lord, raise him up to heaven, so that we might learn from him and follow his good example.” So Allah brought Azazil up to live among the angels in the first heaven, and he became their arbitrator in their matters. When the Jinn on earth had exceeded all limits, Allah sent Azazil with a army of angels and fought the unbelievers, vanquishing them. Again, Azazil prayed so eagerly that he was raised up to the seventh heaven where he prayed for a further 70 000 years until Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام) was brought into existence.
Unconfirmed traditions say that in this time, Azazil was raised to the station of Ridwan - the guardian of Paradise, - which he held for 1000 years. Once he read an inscription on the gates of paradise: “There is a servant among the most highly favoured servants of the Almighty Lord. For a long time he will be obedient and serve his Lord well; there will come a day, when he will oppose his Lord and will be cursed that rebellious one 1000 years, not knowing not that it was to be himself. It was only when he refused to prostrate before Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام) that his hidden arrogance and pride was exposed.
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Day Five: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام):
5. Why did Azazil refuse to bow down to Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام)?
5. Why did Azazil refuse to bow down to Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام)?
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Follow that trail - where did Al Masoudi get it from? And who did the guy he get it from - get it from? recurring. Is the "source" a sound source? Al Masoudi is not the source - he's the carrier. Understand?
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Why do you call him Azazil? After the Jews? Muslims say his name was Iblees before shaytaan..
Anyway to answer your question.
Iblees refused to bow down and he gave the reason that he was made of fire and Adam was made of earth - and that fire destroys earth therefore he is superior. His pride and ego manifested and he couldn't humble himself before Allah even though Allah afforded him the opportunity to repent - Iblees did not, and so, he was cast out.
His pride mainfested in his ego - his jealousy of knowing a human who is made of earth will now take his crown as viceregent of earth, was a defining factor in his egotistical desires.
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