How well do you know the Anbiyaa (alayhim assalaam)?

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day 21: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

21 Allah instructed the pair to enjoy all the bounties of paradise, and they would merrily stroll about covered in a garment of honour made of light. Their privates were internal at that stage, so it was not shameless to wander around in this way. However, they were not to eat from a certain tree. What tree was this?

The exegetes have given various opinions in this regard. Some say it was the grape vine, some say it was wheat, whilst some said it was a date palm or a fig tree. Be that as it may, the peculiarity of this tree was that whoever ate of it, had to excrete its waste, and paradise is not a place of excrement. (Al-Bidayah wan Nihayah of ibn Kathir, vol. 1, page 74)

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day 22: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

22 After many attempts, Iblees was successful in inciting the pair to eat from the “forbidden” tree. At that stage, he was most probably given permission to roam around in paradise, or it may have been the time before he was condemned. He managed to whisper in the ears of the couple - similar to the radioactive waves of mobile phones that reaches thousands of miles away. First Lady Hawwa (عليها السلام) partook of the fruit, who then encouraged her husband to do the same. What argument did Iblees use to get this seemingly impossible job done?

 

[Muhaba]

Day 22: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

22 After many attempts, Iblees was successful in inciting the pair to eat from the “forbidden” tree. At that stage, he was most probably given permission to roam around in paradise, or it may have been the time before he was condemned. He managed to whisper in the ears of the couple - similar to the radioactive waves of mobile phones that reaches thousands of miles away. First Lady Hawwa (عليها السلام) partook of the fruit, who then encouraged her husband to do the same. What argument did Iblees use to get this seemingly impossible job done?

Where do you get your information from? Are you getting it from the Bible, which blames Hawa alayha salam of eating the fruit and making Adam alaihi salam eat it. But the Quran tells us that shaytan whispered to them both and they both ate it. In one place in the Quran, it is stated that shaytan did waswasa to Adam alayhi assalam and he ate of the fruit. (It is worth pondering why the Quran says in one place that Shaytan whispered to Adam alaihi salam and he ate of the fruit, without mentioning Hawa alaiha salam or using the dual pronoun.)

Christians blame women for the sin but Islam doesn't. However, the way you state the story also puts blame on Hawa alaiha salaam.

Writing a book is a job of great responsibility, especially writing religious books because wrong information could misguide people and the writer will be held accountable. If you don't have knowledge or the ability to differentiate wrong information from right information, then don't write.

 

[Muhaba]

Day Seventeen: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

17. Iblees makes use of his sinister intelligence, the fact that he is invisible, and his stealthy powers, to mislead people. He has a highly organised way of doing so. What is it?

As it is stated that Iblees will say "fa laa tuloomunee wa lumu anfusakum" (don't blame me but blame yourselves. ) this point is worth thinking about. In the verse, does anfus - plural of nafs - refer to the person or the nafs amara? Allaho alum. Many times it is the nafs amara that makes a person do wrong. It's not necessary that someone comes to you and tells you to do something wrong. But your own nafs whispers to you to do it. Or the shaytan whispers and the nafs amara accepts. Anyway, the shaytan doesn't have the power to make anyone do anything. He just incites, putting an idea in a person's mind and the person accepts, either knowingly or being deceived by shaytan's tricks like the first couple had been. May Allah protect us from Shaytan and the nafs amara.

 

[Muhaba]

Iblees has his throne on water. He sends his detachments daily to create all sorts of problems, wars, enmity and chaos in the world. He beautifies sin for people, distracts them in their worship, causes them to modify their body, food and surroundings, and corrupt their religion by various legal techniques. However, those jinn who manage to create discord between husband and wife are made to wear a crown in honour for this. (Sahih of Imam Muslim, no. 2813)

So you mean shaytan doesn't have power over people but has an gang of shayateen that put wiswaas in people's minds, causing them to be deceived and do wrong. There are many shayateen in addition to Iblees.

 

[shafat10]

When I say on this thread that there are only two sources of knowledge, I don’t mean the scientific or other branches of knowledge. Knowledge in this world is vast, but this thread is named “Anbiyaa alaihim salaam” and for information about them or their stories, we surely, have only 2 sources i.e. the Holy Qur’aan and Sunnah. Moreover Allah’s Book and the Sunnah are so perfect that it encompasses all beneficent knowledge and warns us to keep away from useless and harmful knowledge, if not in direct words then in principles.

You said that the Qur’aan doesn’t have 2+2=4. This is very easy thing BUT we were surprised to see that in surah Al-Nisaa, Allah Almighty gave the Law of Inheritance in “fractions”.

You are talking about science i.e. chemistry, physics, Math, biology, geology etc. and you are trying to convince the readers to accept ambiguous statements about the Prophets alaihim salaam. Don’t you know the definition of science??? Science has nothing to do with ambiguity.

Science is defined as a branch of knowledge which is proven by experiments and observations. The most modern scientists proved that Darwin’s theory is false. It has no scientific bases. They gave this statement because with the help of the most modern sophisticated instruments, they observed that inside the cell-nucleus the DNA has many instructions for making numerous kinds of proteins. They understood and claimed that there is a Supreme Creator who is extremely intelligent!!!

I watched this program on You tube---there one could clearly see the fear of the Supreme Creator on the faces of those scientists who observed the great knowledge and wisdom of the Creator Allah. BUT their scientific developments are not beyond the scope of the Holy Qur’aan. Yes! Allah said in the verse 53 of surah Fussilat, (its English translation is):

53. We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?

(See, Allah is Witness over all things, Allah is watching us all everywhere and knows our intentions behind all these attempts. So fear Allah O mankind.)

According to this promise of Allah in the above-mentioned verse, HE gave this knowledge and equipment to the scientists to prove their theories and thus they observed the great Wisdom of Allah (The Only Creator)!

Again we can say in the light of Islam that the formula E=mc[SUP]2 [/SUP]is not approved by our Prophets alaihim salaam (in the Principles of Islam).

Our Prophet Muhammad(Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) told us to pray: “Ya Rabbi zidnee ilmaa” (O Lord increase my Knowledge); and

“Allahumma innee a’oodhubika min ilmin laa yanfa” (O Allah, I seek refuge with you from a knowledge that doesn’t benefit).

So all scientific and other knowledges which are good for us, we are encouraged to gain it while the energy formula for making atomic bomb and other killer weapons is forbidden for us. All this knowledge is encompassed in the Holy Qur’aan either directly or in the golden principles.

You must know the Scientific Miracle of the Holy Qur’aan. When some Muslim scholars presented the stages of fetal development in the Holy Qur’aan to a great, non-Muslim embryologist, he entered the fold of Islam and decided to replace the stages in his, written, encyclopedia with the stages in the Holy Qur’aan saying that the latter are clearer and more understandable!!!

He was surprised that they (the embryologists) studied fetal stages with the help of very strong microscope. At the time of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam there were no microscopes, then how could he know these stages of fetal development in the womb of mother? So this is a proof that the Qur’aan is God’s Book and Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam is a true Prophet of God.

The Quraanic statements are true and clear. The proven facts of Science are also true and clear.
The Prophets alaihim salaam are the givers of true and clear statements. They had nothing to do with ambiguity.
2+2=4 is very clear. It is far from ambiguity.
The formula F=ma is not ambiguous.

Anyone who is fighting for ambiguity is not supposed to give such examples of science.

Sister, everything that you said, I know them well Alhamdulillah as I am a student of Islam and Comparative Religion, so science is one of my major fields, plus, am a student of science.
I will not argue with you, because you have misunderstood many points, specially the ones on science.
Just in short, because defining every point will take hours long and is not possible here.
This thread is about Prophets, yes, but if this thread is only about the 25 Prophets mentioned in Quran and Hadith, then I agree with you, but I believe this thread is about all Prophets, which includes all the remaining 120,000 Prophets that came to this Earth about whom there's no information in Quran and Hadith. So where would you learn that from?

And you said science has nothing to do with ambiguity. Being a student of science, I totally disagree with you. Nothing in science is 100% true. If tomorrow there emerges a new research which will prove the established laws and facts of science wrong, then we will instantly move on and accept the new laws and facts. So science is never perfect, it changes, always. So I disagree with you, science has everything to do with ambiguity and very little to do with un-ambiguity.

Then you brought Evolution. Of course Evolution is "wrong". It's not something new. It was proved wrong long ago, let alone new researches, it was proved wrong back when it appeared first in the community. I don't really know what relation is of Evolution and this discussion.

And about E=mc^2, am totally sorry, but I disagree with everything that you spoke about this equation. Anyone who studied this formula in grade 10 or 12 shouldn't speak something like you did. I don't know if you're a student of Biology or whether you intentionally disregard this equation.
This formula simply states that energy can be converted into mass and mass can be converted into energy. Which means energy neither gets created, nor destroyed, it only changes its form. Now you're assuming that this formula is used for making atom bombs. Sister, assuming that this equation is used for making atom bombs is similar to someone thinking that p=mv (law of conservation of momentum) is used for making accidents in roads and killing people.
I don't really know from where you got your knowledge of E=mc^2 is used for killing people, but I would request you to go back and have a look at what this really means. Everything can be used in a good way and a bad way, if someone makes bombs with this, what does us Muslims or scientists have to do about it? If someone uses the equation of conservation of momentum to increase accidents in roads, what do we have to do about it? Islam isn't responsible for that, neither are Muslims or scientists. Go and ask the person who abuses it, what do we have to do with it? So I hope you understood sister. God bless.

 

[OmAbdullah]

The exegetes have given various opinions in this regard. Some say it was the grape vine, some say it was wheat, whilst some said it was a date palm or a fig tree. Be that as it may, the peculiarity of this tree was that whoever ate of it, had to excrete its waste, and paradise is not a place of excrement. (Al-Bidayah wan Nihayah of ibn Kathir, vol. 1, page 74)

At every place in the Holy Qur'aan Allah said that their private parts/ their shame became manifest to them (that is their natural dress fell down or disappeared). But you say very strange thing that they excreted!!! I say "Astaghfirullah, I seek the refuge of Allah from such statements".

For the readers I post here the verse 22 of surah Al-A'raaf so that they can read themselves the manifestly clear statement of the Holy Qur'aan and then compare it with your false, dirty statement.

22. So he misled them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Shaitan (Satan) is an open enemy unto you?"

 

[OmAbdullah]

Sister, everything that you said, I know them well Alhamdulillah as I am a student of Islam and Comparative Religion, so science is one of my major fields, plus, am a student of science.
I will not argue with you, because you have misunderstood many points, specially the ones on science.
Just in short, because defining every point will take hours long and is not possible here.
This thread is about Prophets, yes, but if this thread is only about the 25 Prophets mentioned in Quran and Hadith, then I agree with you, but I believe this thread is about all Prophets, which includes all the remaining 120,000 Prophets that came to this Earth about whom there's no information in Quran and Hadith. So where would you learn that from?


And you said science has nothing to do with ambiguity. Being a student of science, I totally disagree with you. Nothing in science is 100% true. If tomorrow there emerges a new research which will prove the established laws and facts of science wrong, then we will instantly move on and accept the new laws and facts. So science is never perfect, it changes, always. So I disagree with you, science has everything to do with ambiguity and very little to do with un-ambiguity.

Then you brought Evolution. Of course Evolution is "wrong". It's not something new. It was proved wrong long ago, let alone new researches, it was proved wrong back when it appeared first in the community. I don't really know what relation is of Evolution and this discussion.

And about E=mc^2, am totally sorry, but I disagree with everything that you spoke about this equation. Anyone who studied this formula in grade 10 or 12 shouldn't speak something like you did. I don't know if you're a student of Biology or whether you intentionally disregard this equation.
This formula simply states that energy can be converted into mass and mass can be converted into energy. Which means energy neither gets created, nor destroyed, it only changes its form. Now you're assuming that this formula is used for making atom bombs. Sister, assuming that this equation is used for making atom bombs is similar to someone thinking that p=mv (law of conservation of momentum) is used for making accidents in roads and killing people.
I don't really know from where you got your knowledge of E=mc^2 is used for killing people, but I would request you to go back and have a look at what this really means. Everything can be used in a good way and a bad way, if someone makes bombs with this, what does us Muslims or scientists have to do about it? If someone uses the equation of conservation of momentum to increase accidents in roads, what do we have to do about it? Islam isn't responsible for that, neither are Muslims or scientists. Go and ask the person who abuses it, what do we have to do with it? So I hope you understood sister. God bless.

Your statement regarding the E=MC2 is contradictory.

I had to mention the fact that the modern scientists have reached the level of truth because the proven facts of science are true, so they recognized the Great and Wise Creator through science and the Darwin's theory is proved false, it is false, it is against the Divine books including the Holy Qur,aan, but now the scientists proved it false through scientific knowledge. Strange to see that you call the proven facts of science ambiguous!!!

All of these attempts that you are making are to convince people to accept ambiguous statements about 120,000 prophets. May I know from where are you taking this number of the prophets??? Again what for do you want to give that knowledge which is useless??? Look at the false statements of this thread, given by Khalid saifullah. Only these statements are enough for making mockery of Islam. Muslims will surely become unserious about Hell, Aakhirah and their accounting. Is this the purpose of this thread? While giving ambiguous statements about the prophets, you can also bring false prophets which are made by the Qadyaani fitnah. Is that your purpose? Say it clearly, don't give ambiguous statements.

 

[OmAbdullah]

Day 22: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

22 After many attempts, Iblees was successful in inciting the pair to eat from the “forbidden” tree. At that stage, he was most probably given permission to roam around in paradise, or it may have been the time before he was condemned. He managed to whisper in the ears of the couple - similar to the radioactive waves of mobile phones that reaches thousands of miles away. First Lady Hawwa (عليها السلام) partook of the fruit, who then encouraged her husband to do the same. What argument did Iblees use to get this seemingly impossible job done?

I am bringing verses of surah Taha from the Holy Qur'aan to see the truth and compare it with the false spicy statement of Khalid Saifullah.

115. And We had already taken a promise from Adam before, but he forgot; and We found not in him determination.

116. And @ when We said to the angels, "Prostrate to Adam," and they prostrated, except Iblees; he refused. 117. [/I][/B][B][I]So We said, "O Adam, indeed this is an enemy to you and to your wife. Then let him not remove you from Paradise so you would suffer. 118. [/I][/B][B][I]Indeed, it is [promised] for you not to be hungry therein or be unclothed. 119. [/I][/B][B][I]And you (will) suffer not from thirst therein nor from the sun's heat. 120. [/I][/B][B][I]Then Shaitan (Satan) whispered to him, saying : "O Adam! Shall I lead you to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that will never waste away?" 121. [/I][/B][B][I]Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts appeared to them, and they began to stick on themselves the leaves from Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray. 122. Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance. [/I][/B]Every sound mind can understand these verses. There is nothing ambiguous. Although in other surahs of the Holy Qur'aan, Allah mentioned both Adam and Hawa alaihima salaam, making the mistake of eating the fruit together but here Allah mentioned Adam alaihi saaam that he accepted the words of satan. This must be to make it clear for mankind that Adam alaihi salaam made the mistake independently. Also he was a man whom Allah has given superiority, moreover he was a Prophet of Allah. So he was supposed to be more careful. Allah is The All-knowing All-Wise. Allah knew that the Christians changed their Book and man being more powerful, accused Hawa (Eve ) of making the major sin to convince Adam alaihi salaam to eat the fruit. So Allah made this point clear in the surah Taha of the Holy Qur'aan and preserved it forever. [/SIZE][/COLOR][COLOR=#b22222][SIZE=3][B]The wrong statement of Khalid Saifullah is taken from Bible and not from the Holy Qur'aan and this is very sinful.[/B][/SIZE][/COLOR][COLOR=#0000cd][SIZE=3] Also I must mention that the Commentary says that it is not the importance of the kind of the tree but of the fact that Satan is our enemy and we must consider him our enemy. Actually, Allah had created the first man and woman for living in this world. It was decreed for them to come down to this world and live here for their ordained life. Before sending them down, Allah gave them a small test to prove to them (and to us) that Satan is their (our) enemy, and thus to remain alert about him. Also Tafheemul- Qur'aan explains that Satan found sex to be the weakest point in human body, therefore, he attacked their dress (to fall). Dress acts like a fort to protect sex organs. Satan didn't tell them directly that he wanted to harm them. Rather he swore and said to them that he was sincere for them, that if they ate the fruit, they would become immortal. This is because mankind has a quality. They always want to achieve a higher level. Satan took the advantage of this quality of mankind. Since then Satan and his friends always put waswasa to mankind that they cannot progress until they don't bring out females to work. Then they slowly and slowly remove her cover one by one until they make her almost naked. Marriages are stopped, adultery increases, abortions and child death increases, human race is killed, family which is the unit of society is destroyed and thus the whole society is ruined. If you keep the meaning that their natural dress disappeared making their shame open to them which they tried to cover with the leaves of the trees, then the damage and the conquences mentioned above can be well understood. But if the statement is not taken from the Qur'aan and is taken from some false source which makes it to be "passing of excreta", it becomes mockery and all those important points are forgotten. [B][I][U][SUB][SUP]A [/SUP][/SUB][/U][/I][/B][/SIZE][/COLOR];

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day 22: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

22 After many attempts, Iblees was successful in inciting the pair to eat from the “forbidden” tree. At that stage, he was most probably given permission to roam around in paradise, or it may have been the time before he was condemned. He managed to whisper in the ears of the couple - similar to the radioactive waves of mobile phones that reaches thousands of miles away. First Lady Hawwa (عليها السلام) partook of the fruit, who then encouraged her husband to do the same. What argument did Iblees use to get this seemingly impossible job done?

Iblees took an oath before the couple that eating of the fruit would transform them into angels, they would be guaranteed eternal life, and they will be granted a never-ending kingdom. Who wouldn’t want to ever leave paradise if they are in it? Thus, man’s greatest weakness will always be love for wealth and power, a desire for long life, and dislike of poverty and difficulty. (Qur’an 20:115-126)

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day 23: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

23 Did Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) and his wife sin in eating from the “forbidden” tree?

 

[OmAbdullah]

This is my sincere advice to you that you should write the book about the Prophets alaihim salaam in the light of the Holy Quraan and Sunna because book is a source of continuous reward. If it is a good book written for the pleasure of Allah Almighty, it will be a cause of good reward which will continuously reach the writer even after his/her death as long as people read it and benefit from it. On the other hand, if it is a bad book which harms people by taking them away from the fear and obedience of Allah and makes them unserious about the accounting and punishment in the Hereafter, it will cause him/her continuous increase in punishment.

You shouldn’t choose the commentaries like Mazhary’s and Bedaawi’s. Mazhary’s commentary is very straying. It has terrible personal interpretation in which the writer constantly accuses Allah with false accusations. It is so bad that I couldn’t read even a few pages fearing that Allah will catch me in punishment. May Allah protect us, aameen. Tafseer Bedaawi is written by a Shiraazee (Iranian) writer who seems to be shiya. This commentary is also written by self-interpretation and is very repulsive. It was chosen as a course book in the Islamic Institute by the Alawi authorities.

 

[OmAbdullah]

Day 23: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

23 Did Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) and his wife sin in eating from the “forbidden” tree?

Of course, they committed sin but the sin didn't persist. Both of them regretted and became very upset. Then Allah guided them with the words for repentance . So they said, "Rabbanaa zalamnaa anfusanaa, wa inllam taghfir lanaa wa tarhamnaa lanakoonannaa minal khaasireen. ("Our Lord, we (both) have wronged ourselves, and if YOU didn't forgive us and didn't bestow mercy on us, we will surely be among the loosers."

Allah accepted their repentance and they came down to the earth clean from that sin.

This was the difference between humankind and Satan:

Satan made the sin with full understanding and without any deception from anyone. Adam and Hawa alaihima salaam made the sin by mistake and due to deception by Satan. Satan, after making the sin, became proud, didn't repent and proceeded to make more and more sins by straying mankind while Adam and Hawa alaihima salaam became humble and repented to Allah for forgiveness.

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Wasal

Shaikh Baidawi was definitely not a Shia!

The author of Tafseer Mazhari was Sufi inclined, thus some accounts on mysticism is found in it

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day 23: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

23 Did Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) and his wife sin in eating from the “forbidden” tree?

No. Firstly, Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) was only proclaimed a Prophet when he reached earth;

Secondly, the human nature of forgetfulness overcame the couple as well as their inexperience in dealing with Iblees. Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) would thus never fall in to the trap of Iblees on this earth again;

Thirdly, this was a “purposeful mistake” in order to fulfil the divine plan of Allah. It was not committed out of rebelliousness. The forgiveness of both has been mentioned in the Qur’an;

Fourthly, Allah sometimes allows these human mistakes from His prophets so people can regard them, especially those prophets endowed with miracles, as human beings and not turn them into objects of worship after their death. (Hidayat ke Chiragh of Maulana M. Abdur Rahman Mazhari, vol. 1, page 590)

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day 24: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

24 Once, Sayyadina Musa (عليه السلام‎) met Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) in the skies and accused him of eating from the forbidden tree, thus causing everyone to become miserable. Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) gave him an answer which silenced him. What was it?

 

[Insaanah]

Narrated Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him):

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Adam and Moses (peace be on them) met, and Moses (peace be on him) said to Adam (peace be on him) "You are the one who made people miserable and turned them out of Paradise." Adam (peace be on him) said to him, "You are the one whom Allah selected for His message and whom He selected for Himself and upon whom He revealed the Torah." Moses (peace be on him) said, 'Yes.' Adam said, "Did you find that written in my fate before my creation?' Moses said, 'Yes.' So Adam overcame Moses with this argument."
حَدَّثَنَا الصَّلْتُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مَهْدِيُّ بْنُ مَيْمُونٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سِيرِينَ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ الْتَقَى آدَمُ وَمُوسَى، فَقَالَ مُوسَى لآدَمَ أَنْتَ الَّذِي أَشْقَيْتَ النَّاسَ وَأَخْرَجْتَهُمْ مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ قَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ أَنْتَ الَّذِي اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِرِسَالَتِهِ، وَاصْطَفَاكَ لِنَفْسِهِ وَأَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ التَّوْرَاةَ قَالَ نَعَمْ‏.‏ قَالَ فَوَجَدْتَهَا كُتِبَ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَنِي قَالَ نَعَمْ‏.‏ فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى ‏"‏‏.‏ الْيَمُّ الْبَحْرُ‏.‏

Sahih al Bukhari
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 260
Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4736
http://www.sunnah.com/urn/44150

Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him): reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
There was an argument between Adam and Moses (peace be on them both). Moses (peace be on him) said: Are you that Adam whose lapse caused you to get out of Paradise? Adam (peace be on him) said to him: Are you that Moses whom Allah selected for His Messengership, for His conversation and you blame me for an affair which had been ordained for me before I was created? This is how Adam (peace be on him) came the better of Moses (peace be on him).
حَدَّثَنِي زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، وَابْنُ، حَاتِمٍ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا يَعْقُوبُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ حُمَيْدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ احْتَجَّ آدَمُ وَمُوسَى فَقَالَ لَهُ مُوسَى أَنْتَ آدَمُ الَّذِي أَخْرَجَتْكَ خَطِيئَتُكَ مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ أَنْتَ مُوسَى الَّذِي اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِرِسَالَتِهِ وَبِكَلاَمِهِ ثُمَّ تَلُومُنِي عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدْ قُدِّرَ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ أُخْلَقَ فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 2652 d
In-book reference : Book 46, Hadith 23
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 33, Hadith 6412
(deprecated numbering scheme)
http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/46/23

 

[OmAbdullah]

No. Firstly, Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) was only proclaimed a Prophet when he reached earth;

Secondly, the human nature of forgetfulness overcame the couple as well as their inexperience in dealing with Iblees. Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) would thus never fall in to the trap of Iblees on this earth again;

Thirdly, this was a “purposeful mistake” in order to fulfil the divine plan of Allah. It was not committed out of rebelliousness. The forgiveness of both has been mentioned in the Qur’an;

Fourthly, Allah sometimes allows these human mistakes from His prophets so people can regard them, especially those prophets endowed with miracles, as human beings and not turn them into objects of worship after their death. (Hidayat ke Chiragh of Maulana M. Abdur Rahman Mazhari, vol. 1, page 590)

Here are the verses of surah Taha translated into English. Read them attentively:

121. Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts appeared to them, and they began to stick on themselves the leaves from Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray.



122.Then his Lord chose him, and turned to him with forgiveness, and gave him guidance.
Verse 121 clearly says that he (they both) disobeyed Allah. Disobedience to Allah is definitely sin. In verse 122 Allah Almighty said that Allah forgave him (them). So the sin didn't remain. You or any person shouldn't say that it wasn't sin. This saying goes against Allah's saying. Also it will cause Muslims take disobedience to Allah a light thing and it will lead to grave consequences.

Whether Bedaawi is shiya or not, but his tafseer is very objectionable therefore it is harmful to take statements from it. Also Mazhary's tafseer is very dangerous. It is better for you to stop all such wrong statements, no matter from where you are taking them. I inform you that Allah is Ever-Watching and HIS seizing of someone in punishment is very severe and lasting. Don't consider it light matter! If Allah catches then there will be no way of escape!!!

 

[OmAbdullah]

Narrated Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him):

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Adam and Moses (peace be on them) met, and Moses (peace be on him) said to Adam (peace be on him) "You are the one who made people miserable and turned them out of Paradise." Adam (peace be on him) said to him, "You are the one whom Allah selected for His message and whom He selected for Himself and upon whom He revealed the Torah." Moses (peace be on him) said, 'Yes.' Adam said, "Did you find that written in my fate before my creation?' Moses said, 'Yes.' So Adam overcame Moses with this argument."
حَدَّثَنَا الصَّلْتُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مَهْدِيُّ بْنُ مَيْمُونٍ، حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سِيرِينَ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ الْتَقَى آدَمُ وَمُوسَى، فَقَالَ مُوسَى لآدَمَ أَنْتَ الَّذِي أَشْقَيْتَ النَّاسَ وَأَخْرَجْتَهُمْ مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ قَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ أَنْتَ الَّذِي اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِرِسَالَتِهِ، وَاصْطَفَاكَ لِنَفْسِهِ وَأَنْزَلَ عَلَيْكَ التَّوْرَاةَ قَالَ نَعَمْ‏.‏ قَالَ فَوَجَدْتَهَا كُتِبَ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْلُقَنِي قَالَ نَعَمْ‏.‏ فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى ‏"‏‏.‏ الْيَمُّ الْبَحْرُ‏.‏

Sahih al Bukhari
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 260
Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4736
http://www.sunnah.com/urn/44150

Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him): reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
There was an argument between Adam and Moses (peace be on them both). Moses (peace be on him) said: Are you that Adam whose lapse caused you to get out of Paradise? Adam (peace be on him) said to him: Are you that Moses whom Allah selected for His Messengership, for His conversation and you blame me for an affair which had been ordained for me before I was created? This is how Adam (peace be on him) came the better of Moses (peace be on him).
حَدَّثَنِي زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، وَابْنُ، حَاتِمٍ قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا يَعْقُوبُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ حُمَيْدِ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ احْتَجَّ آدَمُ وَمُوسَى فَقَالَ لَهُ مُوسَى أَنْتَ آدَمُ الَّذِي أَخْرَجَتْكَ خَطِيئَتُكَ مِنَ الْجَنَّةِ فَقَالَ لَهُ آدَمُ أَنْتَ مُوسَى الَّذِي اصْطَفَاكَ اللَّهُ بِرِسَالَتِهِ وَبِكَلاَمِهِ ثُمَّ تَلُومُنِي عَلَى أَمْرٍ قَدْ قُدِّرَ عَلَىَّ قَبْلَ أَنْ أُخْلَقَ فَحَجَّ آدَمُ مُوسَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Reference : Sahih Muslim 2652 d
In-book reference : Book 46, Hadith 23
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 33, Hadith 6412
(deprecated numbering scheme)
http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/46/23

We must note it that the thing which was ordained was the coming of Adam and Hawa alaihima salaam to this world. This Decree of Allah Almighty appears in the verse 30 of surah Al-Baqarah, its English translation is here:

30. And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a vicegerent". They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."

So this was ordained and therefore Adam and Hawa alaihima salaam had to come down to the earth in any case. Adam alaihi salaam could not be blamed for it . But his sin was not ordained. Allah did the test before sending them down. This was to teach them about the test. Surely Adam and Hawa alaihima salaam were sent to this world for a test. Also all of their descendants, generation after generation, were to live here for the same test. Allah knew the weaknesses of humankind as a result of which they failed the test. But they regretted, became humble and repented to Allah. This is what Allah wants from HIS obedient servants. As the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam said in a hadeeth that all of the Bani Adam are mistake-makers and the best of the mistake makers are those who repent to Allah.

But one shouldn't say that Allah ordained the making of sin by them. Please note that it is a very delicate topic which may cause people to go astray. 

 

[Khalid Saifullah]

Day 24: Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎):

24 Once, Sayyadina Musa (عليه السلام‎) met Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) in the skies and accused him of eating from the forbidden tree, thus causing everyone to become miserable. Sayyadina Adam (عليه السلام‎) gave him an answer which silenced him. What was it?

“O Musa, Allah selected you for His message and for direct speech, yet you blame me for thing which Allah had ordained long before he even created me!” (Sahih of Imam al-Bukhari, no. 4738)