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All of this is based on the single assumption that the modern Bible can be considered as the successor of these earlier revealed books, which it is not. You are claiming that since the original versions are to believed upon, means by default that the Bible becomes a part of that message, while it is not. Anyone can see that the pattern of writing in the Bible is different from the revelations referred to in the Quran. While Islamic tradition states that these revelations were from the perspective of God and were Divine Revelation, Judeo-Christian Theology states that these are inspired works written by the hands of man, as seen in the texts themselves, which serve as at most, pieces of human history, rather than anything to do with the Divine other than association itself only.

In Islamic tradition on the other hand, and as referred on in these verses, the Quran is the successor of the earlier revelations, containing all the laws and messages required for us in itself, without the need of any other pieces of scripture. It is in the same spirit as the earlier books. This single assumption carries your entire argument. There is no association between the Bible and Divine Revelation, since no Christian can claim that the Bible is Divine Revelation, or that any parts of it are in any way, it is a piece of writing written by man.



Your entire research falls short again. There are tons of verses that condemn the changing of the words of scripture. Let me state some of these.

"O Messenger, let them not grieve you who hasten into disbelief of those who say, "We believe" with their mouths, but their hearts believe not, and from among the Jews. [They are] avid listeners to falsehood, listening to another people who have not come to you. They distort words beyond their [proper] usages, saying "If you are given this, take it; but if you are not given it, then beware." But he for whom Allah intends fitnah - never will you possess [power to do] for him a thing against Allah . Those are the ones for whom Allah does not intend to purify their hearts. For them in this world is disgrace, and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment." (Quran 5:41)

This verse states that the Priests themselves altered the words by their tongues, changing the meaning of individual concepts, which definitely means the accuracy is not complete.

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

This verse again states that the people do not know what is in the revelation, but write from their own opinions, thoughts, and conjectures, and what they write, is not from Allah. This is perfect historical accuracy. Since the Bible was, yes, written by the hands and perspectives of men, such as Mark or Matthew.

"But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for God loveth those who are kind. (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"

Again, you can see the alteration of scripture.

Also, you can refer to the Hadith themselves.

Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"

Again, again, again.

And for my final statement in this section. I shall present to you proof from the Bible itself stating its own corruption.

"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? (Jeremiah 8:8)

This does not say the tongues of the scribes, nor the words of the scribes, it says the lying pen of the scribes. Meaning, the scribes have wrongfully written the law. This statement shows how their words were wrong and how their pens changed the law.



Each version of the Bible has differences, and since any one of them can not be stated to be more accurate than any other, the entire accuracy of the scripture falls downward. Their are books accepted in one version, while not in the other. Even the Dead Sea Scrolls refer to the Book of Enoch, which is not part of the most accepted Biblical canons. There were so many books not accepted during the Rule of Constantine, what happened to them? So that establishes how the Bible has a history of human selection over specific books.

And even though we know that the modern Bible was present during Mohammad's (pbuh) life and the Christian Community, we have no proof that any part of these is divine, since people can tell a lie, regardless of whether only years have passed since a person has gone away. The fact that these books existed in history, does not prove anything, since the Gospel of Jesus denied the versions of the Torah left behind, and he was here in 0 CE. Proof that these books were present in these time periods, does not affect how changed they are.

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Sorry for derailing the thread, you may continue. I feel you should just give it away, since burning it would be a waste of paper and someone's money.
You base your conclusion on the acts of man.

Not coincidentally,

"Christians" base their knowledge, or rather, their opinion on the Qur'an on the acts of men.

Do you see the problem yet?

Pride is a tool that helps to produce works in he opposite direction.

Peace
 
Through unbiased reading and comprehension of the bible you will see that it is exceedingly similar to the Qur'an in many ways.

Peace

I know something about the Bible already. I am originally from the Christian background but then I found Islam. :statisfie

We were reading the Bible at the school many times but no, of my mind the Bible and the Quran aren´t similar at all.
 
Chill out peeps. I was only asking what I should do with the Bible.

I used to really enjoy my friendship with that friend. We used to spend hours on the telephone discussing similarities and differences between our faiths. He even took me to a Church once (wrong day as the priest doing the Sunday sermon was very Islamophobic and he and his friends apologised to me for any offence caused and that their usual pastor/priest was not like this).

He was meant to be coming to my local Mosque but he is now in a relationship. He is too busy now and I really miss all the chats we used to have. I've tried to re-connect with him but it's not the same and he always has something else he has to do. Who knows maybe one day we will become friends again.

Thanks peeps.
 
I know something about the Bible already. I am originally from the Christian background but then I found Islam. :statisfie

We were reading the Bible at the school many times but no, of my mind the Bible and the Quran aren´t similar at all.
I'm sorry. I generally read the New Covenant, Torah, Quaran, and other significant inspired words of GOD, and honestly find many fundamentally similar, if not identical things including moral code, the reasons there of, the discernment of GOD, man under God, and sinner or sin, and the duty we have as faithful under the direction of GOD.

Please give an example of a differentiating point, that we might discuss. Please do not mention the son of God as I understand that to be the one who was without fault or blemish, and perhaps we can leave that at that for now.

With humility, peace
 
The most I meant the style how those books tell about the God. Anyways, maybe I just see the Quran differently because it is the holy book to me.

But I was thinking a while the idea of holiness of some book. At the school or confirmation lessons the teacher or the priest never handled the Bible by the similar way like we handle the Quran. The teacher might put the Bible to the floor with no problems (we wouldn´t never put the Quran to the dirty floor or some other unclean places). Teacher never said that women who have menstruration shouldn ´t touch the Bible (you might know Muslim sister never touch the Quran while she has hers periods). The teacher might even take the Bible (in his bag) with him when he went to the toilet.

:facepalm:

If the book itself is "holy", why to disrespect it by this way? Or is the book just only a book, pile of paper and the message is holy?
 
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Chill out peeps. I was only asking what I should do with the Bible.

I used to really enjoy my friendship with that friend. We used to spend hours on the telephone discussing similarities and differences between our faiths. He even took me to a Church once (wrong day as the priest doing the Sunday sermon was very Islamophobic and he and his friends apologised to me for any offence caused and that their usual pastor/priest was not like this).

He was meant to be coming to my local Mosque but he is now in a relationship. He is too busy now and I really miss all the chats we used to have. I've tried to re-connect with him but it's not the same and he always has something else he has to do. Who knows maybe one day we will become friends again.

Thanks peeps.
I was just suggesting you read it without bias. Didn't mean to offend or startle or anything.

The relevant thing is to adhere to what you know is right. Also, not taking in knowledge because of some misplaced fear is not beneficial to anyone. I believe all core scripture of monotheistic peaceful religions under the one creator God are beneficial towards direction and adherence thereof. That may not be the case, but to insist it indeed is not without honest inquiry, based on the reports of man, and not the Qur'an just seems like selling yourself short, and as such, your direction or potential under God, to do his will.

Does it not say in the Qur'an that you are to discern between the Christians? How would one go about that without being able to know if they follow their book and teachings or not?

Have to stop myself as technically the Qur'an could lead you rightly, but only without pride, and with mercy. By the will of GOD.

Still though, generally one would be much more qualified to discern those rightly guided as opposed to those who are hypocritical if you understood there perspective.

The thing is people think that Christ is a closed scenario pertaining to Jesus only, and don't realise that it is through his teachings and example and freedom from the bindings of sin and greed that all are to come together by God's will for the sake of man.

Kind of ranting perhaps,

Humbly, peace
 

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