I'm an agnostic now

[The-Deist]

limiting your potential is not a problem, those that acknowledge those limits are.

..or is the opposite way around?

...think of it as training.

...training day.

Life is a journey to explore ourselfs, to connect with God. But if you never explore other peoples beliefs, you might be mising out alot. I have learned from non Muslims things I didnt learn from Muslims and vice versa.

 

[Umm Malik]

Peace upon all of you. I am an agnostic now (former Muslim now Christian). So I believe in one God.

I feel like I left Islam too fast and just wanted to fill the emptiness in my heart. But then I realized I had followed somethings I don't agree witg because emotions.

may allah guide you
connect with him
tell him
O God if islam is the true religion put islam in my heart
the islam is the true
and you will know this here ... or in the hereafter but you will regret if you let your self to satan when you know the true after it's too late
وَقَالَ الشَّيْطَانُ لَمَّا قُضِيَ الأَمْرُ إِنَّ اللّهَ وَعَدَكُمْ وَعْدَ الْحَقِّ وَوَعَدتُّكُمْ فَأَخْلَفْتُكُمْ وَمَا كَانَ لِيَ عَلَيْكُم مِّن سُلْطَانٍ إِلاَّ أَن دَعَوْتُكُمْ فَاسْتَجَبْتُمْ لِي فَلاَ تَلُومُونِي وَلُومُواْ أَنفُسَكُم مَّا أَنَاْ بِمُصْرِخِكُمْ وَمَا أَنتُمْ بِمُصْرِخِيَّ إِنِّي كَفَرْتُ بِمَا أَشْرَكْتُمُونِ مِن قَبْلُ إِنَّ الظَّالِمِينَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ
the translating ...
( 22 ) And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."
you can read it from the quran directly if you want to know more ...
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=14_22&m=hafs&qaree=maher&trans=en_sh
you can also hear to feel it when you read the translating

i am sure you will be muslim soon inshaallah
so soon

please keep listening to the coran until you will find what you need ....

 

[Umm Abed]

I read your post like 3 times. I am not going to make any hasty decisions. I believe in a monotheistic god with no partners. I want to establish a connection with him before looking for a religion. BTW what if someone dies believing in one god, but doesnt testify to Muhammeds Prophethood?

Thanks.

The fact is as a born musim, you dont have any decisions to make; consider yourself very fortunate on having Islam. You also mention that you want to 'explore other people's beliefs'. There is danger in that, especially for weak muslims who's faith hang by a thread.

To answer your question, whoever disbelieved in any part of the deen and died in that condition has indeed died as a disbeliever - may Allah protect! You've got to believe in everything Allah and His Messenger :saws: has said.

With extreme concern for you, I therefore urge you to revert back to Islam. There is only one way - and Islam is the ONLY way.

 

[Insaanah]

I feel like I am starting from scratch with God (Praised be he).

Ibrahim alayhi assalaam knew there was a God, he was looking for His Lord, was looking for guidance, was looking how to worship his Lord. Starting from scratch let's say:

And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]
So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "I like not those that disappear."
And when he saw the moon rising, he said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray."
And when he saw the sun rising, he said, "This is my lord; this is greater." But when it set, he said, "O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah .
Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah ."
And his people argued with him. He said, "Do you argue with me concerning Allah while He has guided me? And I fear not what you associate with Him [and will not be harmed] unless my Lord should will something. My Lord encompasses all things in knowledge; then will you not remember?
And how should I fear what you associate while you do not fear that you have associated with Allah that for which He has not sent down to you any authority? So which of the two parties has more right to security, if you should know?
They who believe and do not mix their belief with injustice - those will have security, and they are [rightly] guided.
And that was Our [conclusive] argument which We gave Abraham against his people. We raise by degrees whom We will. Indeed, your Lord is Wise and Knowing. (6:75-83)

Once the knowledge of the truth came to him, he became firm and steadfast on it, travelled long journeys, left his family, was going to sacrifice his son, all in obedience and love to His Lord. We send blessings on him in our prayer, and he holds a very status special status in Islam. He brought the pagan society of his time to monotheism, and established the hajj that is being performed now.

Our own beloved prophet and messenger, Muhammad :saws: used to retreat to the mountains in solitude, to meditate, the truth having been diluted, corrupted. He received a revelation from Allah, and over 23 years, carried out Allah's command, and became Prophet and messenger to the whole world.

However, now the work has already been done for you. The truth, embodied by these two great men (peace and blessings be on them), is preserved. You need to try and recognise it with an open and clean heart, and to accept and embrace it.

Honestly the question that made me "leave" Islam was why am I Muslim? I was born into Islam and didn't choose it.

I can see where you're coming from. When we're brought up in a faith, we often don't value it as much as someone who found Islam after not being brought up in it. We don't seem to have the love, and are just taught, recite this, say this, believe this. But that's not a fault of the deen, but our upbringing. Some Muslim children are brought up to love God deeply, and to hold His Prophet :saws: an the sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them), as role models and something to aspire to. And now, you can look for Islam again, start again, from scratch, and start to develop that true belief, and deep connection.

To obey God, you have to obey the messengers He sent, the messenger for our time being Muhammad :saws:. The messengers conveyed God's message to us, and taught that we should strive hard to translate our belief in the One True God into practice, by obeying Allah and the messengers He sent, who were also role models and examples for us, showing us practically how to put the guidance they were sent with into practice in our daily lives, explaining the scriptures, warning against wrong-doing, giving good tidings, and giving additional legislation from Allah. The messengers conveyed God's message to us, and with guidance to show people how He wants them to live and worship Him.

So Islam is not a new faith, but is the same ultimate universal truth that God revealed to all the prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be on them), and the same thing they all taught. Thus Islam is not named after a specific person (like Christianity, Buddhism), nor after a certain race or place (like Judaism, Hinduism), but is named by God Himself, the meaning loosely translating as 'submission to God', which is what every Prophet and their righteous followers did, from amongst all times, places and peoples. That in itself is one fraction of the evidence that it was the way of all the Prophets from the beginning.

If you reject the messenger God sent, in effect it is a kind of rebellion against God, because you're saying, sorry God, I like you but don't like your choice of person you sent with your guidance to guide me. You can't obey God without obeying the guidance of God the messenger brought from God, thus you must obey the messenger.

And I believe just staying within your own religions way of thinking will limit your potential overall. So yes there arw religions I see truth in but I am not going to do anything too fast.

If you think staying within Islam (the truth) limits your potential, what potential do you think you would have without it? It would only be the potential for error and straying off the right path...

If you wanted to get from A to B, but there had been a fire or flood etc along the way, I'd say avoid x route, there's danger, stick to y route, which is safe and will get you there. If you purposely went on x route, the route that had the danger and obstacles, and thought you were broadening your horizons by doing so, people would say you'd lost the plot a bit...

Just some food for thought.

May Allah guide you back to the family of Islam, and back to the right path, ameen.

Please do ask any questions you may have.

Peace.

 

[Muslimah_]

Salams brother,

I recognise you from ummah forum. I've always known you to be knowledgeable and full of Islam - eager to give advise and support for those who are having second thoughts about deen. It was quite shocking for me to come across this, sadly.

Btw an agnostic is one who does not believe in God, so how can you claim yourself as agnostic if you do?

Anyhow, brother i just want you to know that whichever religion you look at, whether it be christianity, judaism, buddhism, hinduism, etc, all have flaws and all are baseless. You have Islam, a religion that has foundation and guidance which no other religion has. Ma shaa Allah, you are very lucky to be born muslim. Others have to go through so much hardship to reach Allah swt, whereas you yourself had it much easier. Take advantage of this brother. The Quran is full of miracles, it is a book of guidance, surely if you have the desire to reach to truth then you will open up and read with a clean mind/heart.

I guess theres not much i can do to convince you, so i leave everything to Allah swt and i ask that He guides you upon the truth and protects you from all deviant beliefs.

 

[The-Deist]

Thanks.

The fact is as a born musim, you dont have any decisions to make; consider yourself very fortunate on having Islam. You also mention that you want to 'explore other people's beliefs'. There is danger in that, especially for weak muslims who's faith hang by a thread.

To answer your question, whoever disbelieved in any part of the deen and died in that condition has indeed died as a disbeliever - may Allah protect! You've got to believe in everything Allah and His Messenger :saws: has said.

With extreme concern for you, I therefore urge you to revert back to Islam. There is only one way - and Islam is the ONLY way.

Yes I learn things from different faiths that help me with God.

 

[The-Deist]

Salams brother,

I recognise you from ummah forum. I've always known you to be knowledgeable and full of Islam - eager to give advise and support for those who are having second thoughts about deen. It was quite shocking for me to come across this, sadly.

Btw an agnostic is one who does not believe in God, so how can you claim yourself as agnostic if you do?

Anyhow, brother i just want you to know that whichever religion you look at, whether it be christianity, judaism, buddhism, hinduism, etc, all have flaws and all are baseless. You have Islam, a religion that has foundation and guidance which no other religion has. Ma shaa Allah, you are very lucky to be born muslim. Others have to go through so much hardship to reach Allah swt, whereas you yourself had it much easier. Take advantage of this brother. The Quran is full of miracles, it is a book of guidance, surely if you have the desire to reach to truth then you will open up and read with a clean mind/heart.

I guess theres not much i can do to convince you, so i leave everything to Allah swt and i ask that He guides you upon the truth and protects you from all deviant beliefs.

An athiest doesn't believe in any deity while an agnostic does. Of course being agnostic means you are not committed to any religion.

 

[The-Deist]

Ibrahim alayhi assalaam knew there was a God, he was looking for His Lord, was looking for guidance, was looking how to worship his Lord. Starting from scratch let's say:

And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]
So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "I like not those that disappear."
And when he saw the moon rising, he said, "This is my lord." But when it set, he said, "Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray."
And when he saw the sun rising, he said, "This is my lord; this is greater." But when it set, he said, "O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah .
Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah ."
And his people argued with him. He said, "Do you argue with me concerning Allah while He has guided me? And I fear not what you associate with Him [and will not be harmed] unless my Lord should will something. My Lord encompasses all things in knowledge; then will you not remember?
And how should I fear what you associate while you do not fear that you have associated with Allah that for which He has not sent down to you any authority? So which of the two parties has more right to security, if you should know?
They who believe and do not mix their belief with injustice - those will have security, and they are [rightly] guided.
And that was Our [conclusive] argument which We gave Abraham against his people. We raise by degrees whom We will. Indeed, your Lord is Wise and Knowing. (6:75-83)

Once the knowledge of the truth came to him, he became firm and steadfast on it, travelled long journeys, left his family, was going to sacrifice his son, all in obedience and love to His Lord. We send blessings on him in our prayer, and he holds a very status special status in Islam. He brought the pagan society of his time to monotheism, and established the hajj that is being performed now.

Our own beloved prophet and messenger, Muhammad :saws: used to retreat to the mountains in solitude, to meditate, the truth having been diluted, corrupted. He received a revelation from Allah, and over 23 years, carried out Allah's command, and became Prophet and messenger to the whole world.

However, now the work has already been done for you. The truth, embodied by these two great men (peace and blessings be on them), is preserved. You need to try and recognise it with an open and clean heart, and to accept and embrace it.



I can see where you're coming from. When we're brought up in a faith, we often don't value it as much as someone who found Islam after not being brought up in it. We don't seem to have the love, and are just taught, recite this, say this, believe this. But that's not a fault of the deen, but our upbringing. Some Muslim children are brought up to love God deeply, and to hold His Prophet :saws: an the sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them), as role models and something to aspire to. And now, you can look for Islam again, start again, from scratch, and start to develop that true belief, and deep connection.

To obey God, you have to obey the messengers He sent, the messenger for our time being Muhammad :saws:. The messengers conveyed God's message to us, and taught that we should strive hard to translate our belief in the One True God into practice, by obeying Allah and the messengers He sent, who were also role models and examples for us, showing us practically how to put the guidance they were sent with into practice in our daily lives, explaining the scriptures, warning against wrong-doing, giving good tidings, and giving additional legislation from Allah. The messengers conveyed God's message to us, and with guidance to show people how He wants them to live and worship Him.

So Islam is not a new faith, but is the same ultimate universal truth that God revealed to all the prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be on them), and the same thing they all taught. Thus Islam is not named after a specific person (like Christianity, Buddhism), nor after a certain race or place (like Judaism, Hinduism), but is named by God Himself, the meaning loosely translating as 'submission to God', which is what every Prophet and their righteous followers did, from amongst all times, places and peoples. That in itself is one fraction of the evidence that it was the way of all the Prophets from the beginning.

If you reject the messenger God sent, in effect it is a kind of rebellion against God, because you're saying, sorry God, I like you but don't like your choice of person you sent with your guidance to guide me. You can't obey God without obeying the guidance of God the messenger brought from God, thus you must obey the messenger.



If you think staying within Islam (the truth) limits your potential, what potential do you think you would have without it? It would only be the potential for error and straying off the right path...

If you wanted to get from A to B, but there had been a fire or flood etc along the way, I'd say avoid x route, there's danger, stick to y route, which is safe and will get you there. If you purposely went on x route, the route that had the danger and obstacles, and thought you were broadening your horizons by doing so, people would say you'd lost the plot a bit...

Just some food for thought.

May Allah guide you back to the family of Islam, and back to the right path, ameen.

Please do ask any questions you may have.

Peace.

If I ever do return to Islam, is it wrong that Muhammad is not my "favorite" Prophet/Messanger? Or is it okay?

 

[InToTheRain]

Bro I just hope you live up to you name "StrivingforDeen"

Hoping you say "Laa Ilaha Illallah Mohammadur Rasool-ullah" before your last breaths in this short life... hoping this for everyone.

 

[The-Deist]

may allah guide you
connect with him
tell him
O God if islam is the true religion put islam in my heart
the islam is the true
and you will know this here ... or in the hereafter but you will regret if you let your self to satan when you know the true after it's too late
وَقَالَ الشَّيْطَانُ لَمَّا قُضِيَ الأَمْرُ إِنَّ اللّهَ وَعَدَكُمْ وَعْدَ الْحَقِّ وَوَعَدتُّكُمْ فَأَخْلَفْتُكُمْ وَمَا كَانَ لِيَ عَلَيْكُم مِّن سُلْطَانٍ إِلاَّ أَن دَعَوْتُكُمْ فَاسْتَجَبْتُمْ لِي فَلاَ تَلُومُونِي وَلُومُواْ أَنفُسَكُم مَّا أَنَاْ بِمُصْرِخِكُمْ وَمَا أَنتُمْ بِمُصْرِخِيَّ إِنِّي كَفَرْتُ بِمَا أَشْرَكْتُمُونِ مِن قَبْلُ إِنَّ الظَّالِمِينَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ
the translating ...
( 22 ) And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."
you can read it from the quran directly if you want to know more ...
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=14_22&m=hafs&qaree=maher&trans=en_sh
you can also hear to feel it when you read the translating

i am sure you will be muslim soon inshaallah
so soon

I know that verse. Honestly I don't know if the Quran will effect me in anyway. It doesn't make me feel anything honestly. Also I used to follow Islam only for rewards. I never did it to connect with God. This journey allowed me to realise we have to connect to God too.

 

[Muslimah_]

An athiest doesn't believe in any deity while an agnostic does. Of course being agnostic means you are not committed to any religion.

An agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of God (50/50) whilst an atheist denies the existence of God 100% Your not either one of them so i still don't understand how your an agnostic.

 

[The-Deist]

An agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of God (50/50) whilst an atheist denies the existence of God 100% Your not either one of them so i still don't understand how your an agnostic.

Well I guess I then am a believer in one God.

 

[Muslimah_]

Well I guess I then am a believer in one God.

Thats better. And no i'm not kittymuslimah.

 

[Umm Malik]

I know that verse. Honestly I don't know if the Quran will effect me in anyway. It doesn't make me feel anything honestly. Also I used to follow Islam only for rewards. I never did it to connect with God. This journey allowed me to realise we have to connect to God too.

that's good alhamdulillah
may allah guide you to the true
and the true is the Islam

 

[Umm Malik]

Well I guess I then am a believer in one God.

alhamdulillah so that's will help you a loooot
that's so good for u
one day you will find true
alhamdulillah ....

 

[The-Deist]

What is good? BTW are you from Algeria? I used to live there.

 

[The-Deist]

I think now I am actually aware of God. Before it was just about good deeds bad deeds and desires.

 

[strivingobserver98]

Hope your well .

Can I just ask a question. Sorry if it opens up a can of worms.

Has the rapper Tupac had any influence over your recent decision? His death and the conspiracies surrounding it.

 

[The-Deist]

Hope your well .

Can I just ask a question. Sorry if it opens up a can of worms.

Has the rapper Tupac had any influence over your recent decision? His death and the conspiracies surrounding it.

Yes, he is someone who inspired me to search and pray to God. Before I was thinkin bout good deeds but forgetting God. Now I believe that if you give god what he wants and talk to him. He will sort out everything for you. Just like the man who prayed for 500 years. So yes it would be worthless to do good deeds and not know God. Then you're doing it for no one with no benefit.

 

[sister herb]

I think now I am actually aware of God. Before it was just about good deeds bad deeds and desires.

Salam alaykum

I think you are actually in the right path. Keep asking question and looking for answers. Good luck to you brother. :thankyou: