Violence is more prevalent in the Bible than the Quran text analysis proves

[Abz2000]

Much is truthful and from Allah, some is changed in copying and translation, other parts have been maliciously added for those who would justify their whimsical actions.
which is why we should be very careful in confirming and denying, what is clear however that we have the Quran before us which confirms some of what was revealed before and supercedes other previous commands which are no longer relevant or applicable to the situation.
and we always must be careful of those with malicious objectives who would capitalize on some brow raising statements in the O.T and make us deny it all despite some being factual and from Allah, and also begin a divide and conquer bickering contest while they sit back and watch in glee, or defensively confirm our accepteptance of all of the falsehoods that have been added to it and thereby make people doubt the justice of Allah while they who commit injustice and are the initiators of such climb onto an illusory high horse of fake piety and sound mindedness and put us in a trance that makes us bow to their fake notion of justice, non-violence and neutrality.
It is clear from the Quran that Musa and his people were commanded to carry out armed jihad in the way of Allah after leaving Egypt and that their cause was just at the time and circumstance

 

[Serinity]

Much is truthful and from Allah, some is changed in copying and translation, other parts have been maliciously added for those who would justify their whimsical actions.
which is why we should be very careful in confirming and denying, what is clear however that we have the Quran before us which confirms some of what was revealed before and supercedes other previous commands which are no longer relevant or applicable to the situation.
and we always must be careful of those with malicious objectives who would capitalize on some brow raising statements in the O.T and make us deny it all despite some being factual and from Allah, and also begin a divide and conquer bickering contest while they sit back and watch in glee, or defensively confirm our accepteptance of all of the falsehoods that have been added to it and thereby make people doubt the justice of Allah while they who commit injustice and are the initiators of such climb onto an illusory high horse of fake piety and sound mindedness and put us in a trance that makes us bow to their fake notion of justice, non-violence and neutrality.
It is clear from the Quran that Musa and his people were commanded to carry out armed jihad in the way of Allah after leaving Egypt and that their cause was just at the time and circumstance

Many times timelines an era's can define & determine whether an action is justified etc.

For example, for one to kill every kafir right now, for not accepting Islam, would be unreasonable, etc. But we know that Isa AS would come down and kill anyone who does not accept Islam, cuz at that time, there is way too much wealth etc. Dunya isn't worth it anymore. AFAIK.
What I am saying, what is reasonable now, may be unreasonable tomorrow, what is unreasonable now, may be reasonable in the future. t

There are exception tho. where something is 100% evil no matter the Era.

 

[keiv]

Well, "violence" in the context of this piece of software can be a range of things based on certain keywords. For one example, if there is a command or a story which talks about destroying idols, does that count as an act of "violence"? What about if we're told to take up arms for self defense? Everything that is in the Quran, whether you view it as "violent" or not, is justifiable one way or another. Using a computer program to tell us that the Quran is not as violent as everyone thinks really means nothing, imo. If someone has a question regarding a verse or hadith, they can take that up with a scholar who has real knowledge on the matter.

 

[Serinity]

The easiest way to turn a huge nation against another nation is through propaganda.

Ie. by calling the other the spawn of the devil, or the son of the devil etc.... "they are the evil one's" etc...

But Truth, ie. Islam, speaks for itself, so we don't have to make excuses or appear weak when the enemies or an honest guy comes and questions.. Rather, people should think, cause one can not believe if he does not think!

Believing without thinking is blind faith... Which is bad.. What I am saying, we don't have to RESORT to dirty tactics like calling them devils etc. Or anything, yes. There are tough times, and times where drastic decision should be executed.

Any honest, sincere, good heart will come to Islam.. Also remember, ask questions, cause those who ask questions and want to know, are the intelligent ones... As long as you don't go over in unnecessary questioning (ie. trying to justify your state of disbelief through questioning)

In short, ask questions, but check your heart. I am speaking to the non muslims and muslims..

It all comes down to your heart. You can ask 1000s of questions, but if you are not sincere, you may never realise the truth. But a sincere heart... Allah guides..

To summarise, Allah knows your heart. So if you are sincere, then no doubt He will guide you.

Ask questions, cause it will benefit you.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Does the Old Testament or the Bibles really entail that it's believers do damage or violent acts in this life? I'm confused. Just to be sure. Thank you very much.

It does, if you read those parts and take them literally. There are other parts that say the exact opposite as well.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Any honest, sincere, good heart will come to Islam.. Also remember, ask questions, cause those who ask questions and want to know, are the intelligent ones... As long as you don't go over in unnecessary questioning (ie. trying to justify your state of disbelief through questioning)

This may be your belief, but millions of non-muslims around the world, from Hindus, to Budhists, to Christians, to Jews, to Atheists disagree. And in saying the above, you are implicitly calling them bad hearted, insincere, and unintelligent... since they have not and will not become Muslim. Many Christians say the same regarding their religion, but include Muslims amongst the other non-Christians, and implicitly call them the same.

The question is can you agree to disagree on this point and live and let live, and have sympathy and compassion for your fellow humans despite their religion or "acceptance of Islam", or do you turn to violence and hatred? And can you see beyond Muslim vs Non-Muslim tribalism, or do you paint all Non-Muslims with a broad brush and hold them responsible for he acts of other Non-Muslims, as abz does in his post above to me?

There are exception tho. where something is 100% evil no matter the Era.

Killing people for not believing in your religion is 100% evil, just as killing people for their race, gender, sexual orientation, or nationality is evil.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Pygoscelis;

And can you see beyond Muslim vs Non-Muslim tribalism,

I just accept people for who they are, I can't change anyone, that is down to God. I start with the thought that we should look for the good in all people, and that everyone matters to God.

I have probably mentioned before that I am a Street Pastor, we wonder the streets on a Friday and Saturday night until about 4 am. Last week we came into contact with people fighting in our local kebab shop which is run by Muslims, we try and stand between the people fighting, and as they came out the shop, we stood by the door preventing them from going back in again.

There was three of us all in our late sixties, including a lady, we have no power to do anything, and physically none of us could do much, other than stand in the middle of drunk people fighting. The police came a few minutes later, the protagonists had disappeared by then, and there was a fairly calm atmosphere with a number of people shaking our hands and thanking us for being there.

We have really good relations with the Muslim kebab workers and taxi drivers, we have stood with them a number of times when drunks have been racist.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric

 

[Abz2000]

Pygo, you appear to be accusing Muslims of being the aggressors and war kindlers "because others don't believe what they believe" and this is furthest from the truth.
The facts are plain to see that irrational and unjustifiable violence and hatred has been directed towards Islam and those who submit to the commands of God by criminals who manipulate you into distrust, hatred and destructive polarisation because they feel threatened by what Islam embodies and rectifies, criminals who have set up for you a fake system of "justice" (protection racket) and a fake economy (doomed to fail from the start) which is about to implode in a big way - especially after the governments stilted them up by buying stagnant assets when they ran out of funds to lend out on usury, ensuring that the headlong fall is worse than it would have been since they created even more fake capital upon the slight adjustment (rectification) the market had begun to make, all with public money after the public was fleeced - despite central banks having been set up as a consortium and powerful financial terrorist lobby union with great fanfare touted as "lender of the last resort" when people began to question what would happen if a bank was unable to pay the people when they lined up for their gold and silver in return for the promissory notes the banks had issued with a clear promise to pay upon demand (still visible on the receipts) especially when they had written out ten times the amount in bad cheques (bank notes/ receipts for pounds of sterling silver etc) that they held as trust (amanah) in metal. That in itself should prove to you the infidelity (research the term if unclear) of such a system, but the fact that roosevelt looted it all and returned it devalued then his successor reneged upon the promise to return coin, promised the world to repay in coin (bullion) only if they set up central banks, not general public who owned the property, coerced and bullied nations into adopting the illegitimate dollar then reneged on that promise too, then continue to force Muslims to accept usurious (infidel) notes and thereby keep bailing out the fake dollar, and even then attacking Muslim nations, calling them terrorists and enemy combatants for resisting illegal wars in the name of peace and ridding us of weapons of mass destruction - which they themselves own and have used in japan - looting their resources while raiding your own treasuries and starting arms races and creating a bigger and infinitely bloating arms industry to keep resupplying. Destabilising then attacking libya after claiming it was "putting the financial secuity of mankind in jeapordy" justbecause it was dumping illegitimate dollars and preparing to put stable gold and silver currency back into the hands of it's citizens, then first destabilizing then travelling to syria to bomb Muslims for attempting to establish Islamic law rather than give asylum to fire and clay worshippers, gays and prostitutes whom you claim to tolerate although finding it difficult to tolerate the niqab, then have the audacity to use the perverted reverse psychology on Muslims by accusing them of your own crime of being intolerant?

I'm sincerely telling you that it is a delusional approach to peace pygo and that the leaders of infidelity are not likely to display fidelity in your case either.
It is your own patriotism, naivety, and greed to share in usury and invest capital in fake cheques that got your fathers into this mess in the first place and Muslims are having to pay the price in blood, do you expect your children to sort it out? Learn to ponder, hold a train of thought, link events, take responsibility for your own actions, before wrongly and slanderously laming your ills upon Muslims, seek the truth, the truth shall set you free. And no, freedom is not vice, this isn't orwellia, it's God's wonderful green earth.
Let us repent and do our best to walk aright before it's too late. And no, don't tax the sugar and salt to ease up capital for the banks, they're essential ingredients for the human body, regardless of what lies jamie oliver and the capitalist shill doctors tell you, take the good advice and practice good judgement though.

Know for certain that Islam is the only refuge to escape from the consequences of your criminal actions, the Prophet (pbuh) doesn't kill the one who escapes his due punishment by proclaiming the shahadah even wahshi and ikrima escaped their certain and just death penalties, and in the eternal sphere, Allah ultimately forgives the one who accepts the truth to the best of his sincere knowledge and seeks to walk aright with sincerity, and please don't pull out fake comparison cards and set up a confused set of balances, you'd only be deceiving yourself though you perceive it not.

 

[sister herb]

It does, if you read those parts and take them literally. There are other parts that say the exact opposite as well.

We should learn to be careful with kind of sentences whose have removed from the context. The islamophobics do it all the time with the Quran. Let´s try to be wiser than them when it goes to the text of some other´s holy scriptures or if not, we´ll be similar like them.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Pygo, you appear to be accusing Muslims of being the aggressors and war kindlers "because others don't believe what they believe" and this is furthest from the truth.

No, Abz, if you actually read what I actually wrote, you would see I am not doing that at all. YOU appear to be an aggressor and war kindler. Most other Muslims here appear to be quite the opposite. I don't see all Muslims as the same, the way that you seem to see all kaffir the same.

Know for certain that Islam is the only refuge to escape from the consequences of your criminal actions

What criminal actions have I committed? I have committed none. I am not responsible for the actions of other non-Muslims. But thanks for trying.

Allah ultimately forgives the one who accepts the truth to the best of his sincere knowledge and seeks to walk aright with sincerity

I don't care what you think Allah forgives, as I don't believe there is an Allah to offend. If I seek forgiveness, it is from people I actually wrong, and I try to avoid that in the first place. If you get upset because I don't buy into the concept of your God, then I don't know what to say to you. If you get violent or hateful due to it... there isn't a whole lot I can do about that other than walk away from you and protect myself from you.

 

[Pygoscelis]

We should learn to be careful with kind of sentences whose have removed from the context. The islamophobics do it all the time with the Quran. Let´s try to be wiser than them when it goes to the text of some other´s holy scriptures or if not, we´ll be similar like them.

I try to avoid quoting scripture (from any holy book) myself. I agree that it isn't my place as a non-believer. But I will point out when believers do it to support negative destructive or hateful actions (ie, Fred Phelps, Joseph Kony, Jerry Fallwell, Isis, Abz above), and praise it when believers do it to support kind and loving actions. You and Eric H here appear to be the latter, so I am glad to praise and encourage you both and sincerely hope that your version of the religions prevail.

 

[Abz2000]

This is getting monotonous and boring, i don't think i have to keep responding and neither do you, think, choose carefully
time is running out for shoelaces, puma disc is here......God knows why i felt like saying that, just remembered an ad from 25 years ago.
God will go through the crimes in accurate detail when the time comes, no point asking me as i don't watch or manipulate you in your day to day activities.

And no, i didn't always know that Islam is the only option, i just kept thinking it was a big world where we could avoid each other if things got too unbearable, America has opened my eyes, i now realise that Islam is the only option for peace.

If i try to live Islam in the u.k, america and britain accuse me of trying to promote shariah and beheading and stoning in the uk. If i paint over a lewd poster which my children are forced to walk past every day, or pull down a prostitution advert from a phone boith, american and uk media accuse me of being intolerant and hating theur freedoms and get their police to arrest me and their courts to sentence me for "vandalism",
If i set up a metal based currency in muslim lands, america euther stages a coup or starts playing with the global prices until it's all but gone, if i hold the metal in deposit and release paper receipts on trust, the cia churns out billions of it until my notes are near worthless and a loaf of bread costs a million in fiat currency, if i set up courts of justice, the american drones bomb it, if i send out police to enforce Islamic law in Muslim majority lands, America accuses them of being extremist religious intolerant fanatics who must be tortured humiliated at guantanamo bay, then we have to respond to the American citizens in coin, but we must leave lots of leaflets at the scene of operations with exact retaliations described so that american media doesn't change the narrative and say it is because i don't like their so called "freedoms" and that i'm jealous of their debauched "civilization". Then maybe Americans will take notice of their government, because if i put it on a website or social network, america will have it removed and replaced with false claims and narratives.

but maybe i should have seen that it's God's world and God's laws upon all of mankind before God sent me America to teach me what i shoud have before known, because it's God's sun and God's moon, God's clouds and God's guidance.
thou hast enslaved the children of israel
To be or not to be, that my dear watson is the question.

 

[sister herb]

I try to avoid quoting scripture (from any holy book) myself. I agree that it isn't my place as a non-believer. But I will point out when believers do it to support negative destructive or hateful actions (ie, Fred Phelps, Joseph Kony, Jerry Fallwell, Isis, Abz above), and praise it when believers do it to support kind and loving actions. You and Eric H here appear to be the latter, so I am glad to praise and encourage you both and sincerely hope that your version of the religions prevail.

When I wrote that "we should learn to be careful with text removed from the context" I was thinking mostly like "we Muslims should". Sorry, as quoting your post, it might looked like I critized you. That wasn´t my meaning at all.

 

[Pygoscelis]

This is getting monotonous and boring, i don't think i have to keep responding and neither do you

And yet you do. And I will too, so long as you speak with hatred. Somebody has to show the people reading that not all kafir are evil, and that we won't stand for hate spread in the name of your religion.

i now realise that Islam is the only option for peace.

By that I take it you mean all of us being forced to become Muslim? I'm afraid that to make that happen, you wouldn't have peace, you would have war, very bloody war. You would have another crusade. And given the modern state of the world and imbalance of military power, you would only be inviting more horror upon yourself and those you care about. Learn to accept that not all of us want to be or will be forced to think as you do, and we can perhaps move towards peaceful co-existence.

If i try to live Islam in the u.k, america and britain accuse me of trying to promote shariah and beheading and stoning in the uk.

It is unfortunate that xenophobia and islamophobia have reached such fevered pitches in those countries, and I stand with innocent peaceful Muslims who are unfairly attacked, and Sikhs who are attacked merely for "looking like Muslims", which is especially ridiculous.

If i paint over a lewd poster which my children are forced to walk past every day, or pull down a prostitution advert from a phone boith, american and uk media accuse me of being intolerant and hating theur freedoms and get their police to arrest me and their courts to sentence me for "vandalism"

If you paint over a poster that was put up legally, then yes, you are committing vandalism. If you can't tolerate such freedom of speech and freedom of expression, then you are perfectly free to leave these countries, as it appears you have done. In the case of an advert for prostitution, I find it unlikely that you would be arrested for pulling one down in the UK, as prostitution adverts are illegal there, no? In Holland, they would be allowed, but you'd know that before moving there, so just stay out. Simple fix for both you and the dutch who are ok with the world's oldest profession.

Going there and complaining about such things is as nutty as me going to Saudi Arabia or Iran and complaining that my spouse and I can't walk down the street naked. We'd know better than to go there if we wanted to do such a thing.

 

[Pygoscelis]

When I wrote that "we should learn to be careful with text removed from the context" I was thinking mostly like "we Muslims should". Sorry, as quoting your post, it might looked like I critized you. That wasn´t my meaning at all.

No worries. I would hope that you WOULD criticize me were I to say or do something you felt worth criticism. I greatly respect you, and you telling me I did something offensive to you would make me take pause and lead me to reconsider it.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Pygoscelis;

If you paint over a poster that was put up legally, then yes, you are committing vandalism. If you can't tolerate such freedom of speech and freedom of expression, then you are perfectly free to leave these countries,

I feel troubled that marriage has little meaning today. In the Uk, by the time children reach fifteen years old, around half of them are not living with both their biological parents. It must be disturbing for young children growing up, trying to understand the relationships of their mother, father, step brothers and sisters, step grandparents, cousins uncles and aunts. What must it be like for a fifteen year old, to look round their classroom and quietly understand that the norm almost seems to be growing up in a broken family.

Some of the most disturbed young men I meet, are the ones who have had a child, then fallen out with the mother, so they are not allowed to see their own child much.

First of all I blame my generation for much of the problems, it started off in the 1960's with the birth pill, making it so much easier to sleep around. Advertising companies have enjoyed the freedom that appears to be giving everyone the right to have what they want, because we are worth it.

Society seems to overlook the need for a child to grow up in a loving and caring family, the more important message seems to be that adults have rights without responsibilities. When I go out with the Street Pastor team, it troubles me to know there are many single mothers out drinking until 2 -3 am, they are not with the father of their child, but seem to be looking for a new relationship, leaving their child at home with someone. We can't preach to them about the rights and wrongs, otherwise they will just walk away, so we can only be very gentle with what we say.

All this comes back to your harmless poster of half naked people, and the message that seems to be sold along with it, we have our rights, and we are worth whatever we want. When religion becomes more vocal about the need to stand up for the rights of children, and the responsibilities of parents, we are made to feel like bigots.

In the spirit of praying for families

Eric

 

[Abz2000]

There's always a tendency to want to get in the last word, especially when you think the other person is clouding the issue with nonsense.

I reciprocate.

Andyet you do. And I will too, so long as you speak with hatred. Somebody has to show the people reading that not all kafir are evil, and that we won't stand for hate spread in the name of your religion.

Not just hatred, but bitterness, fury, apathy, and a slowly kindling and growing desire to see justice and retribution.

By that I take it you mean all of us being forced to become Muslim? I'm afraid that to make that happen, you wouldn't have peace, you would have war, very bloody war. You would have another crusade. And given the modern state of the world and imbalance of military power, you would only be inviting more horror upon yourself and those you care about. Learn to accept that not all of us want to be or will be forced to think as you do, and we can perhaps move towards peaceful co-existence.

balance of powers, to Allah belongs all power, the crimes against Muslims are reaching such levels of criminality and hatred that if i am given the authority i will not feel in decision making just as a doctor doesn't feel when carrying out an amputation or deep incision, Allah has already told you that Islam is the only way to success and good reward
And that rejection of it means humiliation in this world and in eternity.
After seeing all that i've seen, experiencing all that i've experienced, feeling all that i've felt, i myself would accept nothing other than total unconditional surrender to God, because your claim that you want to see peaceful coexistence is a tall one, the application of such requires much shift in uniformity and way of life.

It is unfortunate that xenophobia and islamophobia have reached such fevered pitches in those countries, and I stand with innocent peaceful Muslims who are unfairly attacked, and Sikhs who are attacked merely for "looking like Muslims", which is especially ridiculous.

Now now, noooooo need to tell porkies pygo, you justify the attacks against Muslims and often make threats that Muslims deserve it or "can expect it" if they support armed revolutionary groups who retaliate when Muslims are unjustly harmed.

If you paint over a poster that was put up legally, then yes, you are committing vandalism. If you can't tolerate such freedom of speech and freedom of expression, then you are perfectly free to leave these countries, as it appears you have done. In the case of an advert for prostitution, I find it unlikely that you would be arrested for pulling one down in the UK, as prostitution adverts are illegal there, no? In Holland, they would be allowed, but you'd know that before moving there, so just stay out. Simple fix for both you and the dutch who are ok with the world's oldest profession.

Legally lol you sound like you don't know the difference between crime (sin) and virtue, but then you did say you "sort of" subscribe to anarchy, because laws wouldn't mean laws if they weren't laws, and accepting the fallacy that a bunch of conflicting laws that are absolute can coexist peacefully is obviously erroneous for any with even half a brain who cares to stop and consider, but yes, you avoided the other points whilst confirming some facts,
Muslims also attempted to establish islamic laws in Muslim lands after a century of colonial serfdom and living under puppets and secular tyrants, they didn't go and strike you in canada or america or britain or france, they sought "to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them" to live and legislate according to Islam when their Form of Government became destructive of the ends of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, it was the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them seemed most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.*but sadly, amarica and the infidel and corrupt ideology which it espouses refused to allow them to live in peace.
And now after "a long train of abuses seeking to acheive invariably the same cause -infidelity, secularism and subjugation to american style ideologies and dictatorship, broken economies and debauched character - upon the whole of mankind - evinced a design to reduce the people of the world to living under absolute despotism, it is our God given right and duty to proclaim the way of Islam oved all other ways of life, however much the infidels and those who attempt to become separate and equal with God do detest it.

Going there and complaining about such things is as nutty as me going to Saudi Arabia or Iran and complaining that my spouse and I can't walk down the street naked. We'd know better than to go there if we wanted to do such a thing.

[/QUOTE]

Umm, i was born there apparently, and you foolishly hand out medals to people who complain about islam in those countries, and you bombed the Islamic state after they gave the yazidis the option of leaving, i still recall the conversation with you where you stood up for the right of the yazidis to have a parallel law in the islamic state pygo.

Anyways, ultimately it was for the good, because separate and equal would've meant a clash in future, might as well get it right now.
Repent, submit to God, live, and let live in peace and justice.

 

[Abz2000]

Also you talk a good talk about peace and love and harmony, but history proves the fact that no nation worse than america has ever been brought forth for mankind, it must have been a concentrated experiment and demontration for mankind before the restoration of global khilafah upon the path of prophethood.













You America are the worst of nations evolved for mankind, you enjoin what is evil, and you forbidd what is just, you reject God, you give protection to the church of Satan, and you impose treacherous taghut usurpers upon the people of the earth, if only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.






http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...roys-islamic-state-cash-storage-site-in-mosul

 

[Pygoscelis]

Not just hatred, but bitterness, fury, apathy, and a slowly kindling and growing desire to see justice and retribution.

Do you foam at the mouth too?

Allah has already told you that Islam is the only way to success and good reward
And that rejection of it means humiliation in this world and in eternity.

I disagree. And I am agreeable to agreeing to disagree without calling for your head. You apparently are not.

After seeing all that i've seen, experiencing all that i've experienced, feeling all that i've felt, i myself would accept nothing other than total unconditional surrender to God

How do you expect non-Muslims to react to this position you take? You leave us no choice but to take up arms against you. You justify the very offensives that you decry, robbing live and let live liberal western people like myself from our arguments against the Donald Trump and George Bushes over here who seek to eradicate you.

Now now, noooooo need to tell porkies pygo, you justify the attacks against Muslims and often make threats that Muslims deserve it or "can expect it" if they support armed revolutionary groups who retaliate when Muslims are unjustly harmed.

If you call for the wholesale slaughter of me and others around me, how do you expect us to react? When you group us all as one and can't tell us apart, seeing us all as the enemy, how are we supposed to treat you? You constantly complain about western aggression and hatred against Muslims. Look in a mirror.

Legally lol you sound like you don't know the difference between crime (sin) and virtue

We are going to disagree on what virtue is, especially if you equate it to obedience to your imagined God, instead of empathy towards your fellow humans.

you foolishly hand out medals to people who complain about islam in those countries, and you bombed the Islamic state after they gave the yazidis the option of leaving

No, I didn't. I don't have any bombs or medals to drop on anybody.

i still recall the conversation with you where you stood up for the right of the yazidis to have a parallel law in the islamic state pygo.

And I still recall you calling for their wholesale slaughter. I also recall first meeting you when you called for the hunting down and murdering of homosexuals. And yet you expect us to have sympathy for you and care what you have to say. Go figure.

 

[Pygoscelis]

You talk a good talk about peace and love and harmony, but history proves the fact that no nation worse than america has ever been brought forth for mankind, it must have been a concentrated experiment and demontration for mankind before the restoration of global khilafah upon the path of prophethood.

First, I'm not American.

Second, even if I was American, I would not be responsible for everything America has done throughout history. You talk in the language of blood feud. Are you not able to see people as individuals? If we generalize a little further than you have, then you are responsible for everything too... as you are human just like those who did what you complain of. Oh those earthlings... they are so violent.