Does the Quran say the universe is infinite or finite?

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Greetings :)

It's quite accepted now that space is infinite and flat. NASA recently measured and it came back as being flat with an accuracy of 99.6%.

Does the Quran say the universe is infinite or finite? Also does it mention anything about the end of the universe?

Thanks.
 
I think the Qu'ran just says, the universe is ever expanding
 
I don't think it is infinite, tho it is expanding. And Allah knows best.

Afaik, every creation of Allah SWT has an end. May Allah SWT forgive me if I said anything wrong. Ameen.
 
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Serinity said:
I don't think it is infinite, tho it is expanding. And Allah knows best.
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What is your reasoning for this belief? So far the evidence points to the universe being infinite and flat.

An infinite universe doesn't mean that heaven and hell are inside the universe... I believe that if heaven and hell exist, they're located outside the infinite universe. The universe if spatially infinite but of course god has the power to go beyond this.
 
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What is your reasoning for this belief? So far the evidence points to the universe being infinite and flat.

An infinite universe doesn't mean that heaven and hell are inside the universe... I believe that if heaven and hell exist, they're located outside the infinite universe. The universe if spatially infinite but of course god has the power to go beyond this.
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I mean, I could see why the universe could be like paper, but it does have a beginning, and anything with a beginning must have an end..

For now, it may seem as if the universe is ever-expanding. Thus one may think it is infinite, but I don't think it is, cause in the Quran, afaik, Allah will roll up the heavens, or something like that. It will have an end.

But one thing is for sure, the universe is not infinite, it had a beginning.

May Allah SWT forgive me if I said anything wrong.
Allahu alam.
 
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I mean, I could see why the universe could be like paper, but it does have a beginning, and anything with a beginning must have an end..

For now, it may seem as if the universe is ever-expanding. Thus one may think it is infinite, but I don't think it is, cause in the Quran, afaik, Allah will roll up the heavens, or something like that. It will have an end.

May Allah SWT forgive me if I said anything wrong.
Allahu alam.
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I'm sure Allah will forgive you and everyone else when we discuss things which we cannot yet know the answer to :)

The universe can be infinite an expand at the same time, by it's very definition infinite means "never ending" which means the universe can be infinite but still get larger.

hmm one thing I think is misunderstood about the beginning is that space is not inside something... space IS everything and so the creation of the universe with infinite to begin with :)

Of course we only know about the universe we can see... there is parts of space we will never ever see because it's moving too fast away from us. Perhaps Allah made the universe the way he did to troll us xD
 
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I'm sure Allah will forgive you and everyone else when we discuss things which we cannot yet know the answer to :)

The universe can be infinite an expand at the same time, by it's very definition infinite means "never ending" which means the universe can be infinite but still get larger.

hmm one thing I think is misunderstood about the beginning is that space is not inside something... space IS everything and so the creation of the universe with infinite to begin with :)

Of course we only know about the universe we can see... there is parts of space we will never ever see because it's moving too fast away from us. Perhaps Allah made the universe the way he did to troll us xD
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Nah, He SWT made it as such, that we'd know He SWT created it.

Btw, I don't think this universe is infinite.. I mean, take a database, where there is information, you'd normally, and understandibly ask "who put the information IN the database? Who coded the information?"

Similiarily I think with the creation, "Who initiated it? Who coded us?" etc.. to me it is logical that there is a Creator.

But to say the universe is infinite doesn't make sense. Cause any created being must have a beginning. Anything with a beginning must have an end.

I'd like to share an ayat:

“We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quran) is the truth”

[Fussilat 41:53].

The universe can not create itself. I believe it is Allah SWT that created it, as it sounds more rational....... And makes more sense.

We say Allah SWT is The Eternal, with no beginning or end, who created this universe. Which has a beginning.

May Allah SWT grant you guidance. Ameen. Read the Quran, it will make you think. :)
 
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Nah, He SWT made it as such, that we'd know He SWT created it.

Btw, I don't think this universe is infinite.. I mean, take a database, where there is information, you'd normally, and understandibly ask "who put the information IN the database? Who coded the information?"

Similiarily I think with the creation, "Who initiated it? Who coded us?" etc.. to me it is logical that there is a Creator.

But to say the universe is infinite doesn't make sense. Cause any created being must have a beginning. Anything with a beginning must have an end.

I'd like to share an ayat:

“We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their own selves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quran) is the truth”

[Fussilat 41:53].

The universe can not create itself. I believe it is Allah SWT that created it, as it sounds more rational....... And makes more sense.

We say Allah SWT is The Eternal, with no beginning or end, who created this universe. Which has a beginning.

May Allah SWT grant you guidance. Ameen. Read the Quran, it will make you think. :)
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Thanks for your reply.

Well of course I do not know if the universe was created from nothing, I believe the universe (energy) has always existed, hence it was never created. Like Allah has always existed, I think the universe has always existed.

I think the universe follows the cyclic theory where the universe, which is just energy, expands and then collapses and expands and then collapses and each expansion is the big bang. This goes on forever. Of course this sounds ridiculous to you, but for me I believe this quite strongly, not as strongly as you believe in Allah of course.

I will read some Quran tonight before bed.
 
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An infinite universe doesn't mean that heaven and hell are inside the universe... I believe that if heaven and hell exist, they're located outside the infinite universe. The universe if spatially infinite but of course god has the power to go beyond this.
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Qur'an does not say that heaven and hell are in "alam dunya" (the wordly universe) where we are living now. But heaven and hell are in another universe that called "alam akhirat" (the last universe) where human can go there only after death.

Is the universe where we are living now infinite?. Yes.

:)
 
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I'm sure Allah will forgive you and everyone else when we discuss things which we cannot yet know the answer to :)

The universe can be infinite an expand at the same time, by it's very definition infinite means "never ending" which means the universe can be infinite but still get larger.

hmm one thing I think is misunderstood about the beginning is that space is not inside something... space IS everything and so the creation of the universe with infinite to begin with :)

Of course we only know about the universe we can see... there is parts of space we will never ever see because it's moving too fast away from us. Perhaps Allah made the universe the way he did to troll us xD
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well you can actually count to infinity apparently so why not
 
Hi said:
Greetings :)

It's quite accepted now that space is infinite and flat. NASA recently measured and it came back as being flat with an accuracy of 99.6%.

Does the Quran say the universe is infinite or finite? Also does it mention anything about the end of the universe?

Thanks.
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Spend your time in coming to understand your Creator and not to come here planting seeds of doubt for the Muslims. Knowing whether the universe is finite or infinite is a distant doesn't matter compared to knowing your Lord, what He expects from you and what He commands you to do and refrain from.
 
Hello James,

Mmm... could you give a reference for space-time being flat? Because Einstein showed it to be curved...

Gravity as Curved Spacetime

Einstein eventually identified the property of spacetime which is responsible for gravity as its curvature. Space and time in Einstein's universe are no longer flat (as implicitly assumed by Newton) but can pushed and pulled, stretched and warped by matter. Gravity feels strongest where spacetime is most curved, and it vanishes where spacetime is flat. This is the core of Einstein's theory of general relativity, which is often summed up in words as follows: "matter tells spacetime how to curve, and curved spacetime tells matter how to move". A standard way to illustrate this idea is to place a bowling ball (representing a massive object such as the sun) onto a stretched rubber sheet (representing spacetime). If a marble is placed onto the rubber sheet, it will roll toward the bowling ball, and may even be put into "orbit" around the bowling ball. This occurs, not because the smaller mass is "attracted" by a force emanating from the larger one, but because it is traveling along a surface which has been deformed by the presence of the larger mass. In the same way gravitation in Einstein's theory arises not as a force propagating through spacetime, but rather as a feature of spacetime itself. According to Einstein, your weight on earth is due to the fact that your body is traveling through warped spacetime!

Source: https://einstein.stanford.edu/SPACETIME/spacetime2.html
 
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Thanks for your reply.

Well of course I do not know if the universe was created from nothing, I believe the universe (energy) has always existed, hence it was never created. Like Allah has always existed, I think the universe has always existed.

I think the universe follows the cyclic theory where the universe, which is just energy, expands and then collapses and expands and then collapses and each expansion is the big bang. This goes on forever. Of course this sounds ridiculous to you, but for me I believe this quite strongly, not as strongly as you believe in Allah of course.

I will read some Quran tonight before bed.
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Well that sounds contradictory to me, something that is an incident can not be eternal.

I rather believe in Allah SWT. Cause anything created can never be eternal. The big bang had a beginning, thus it was created. Energy is created too.

You can not call something that has an incident uncreated. Sounds like you are trying to clash 2 contradicting terms...... One has to do some brain gymnastics to believe thus, cuz it honestly makes no sense.

Allah is above time and space, so just like you see ecosystems, they go in repeated cycles, this Universe was created like it was.

You are essentially calling this universe, the creator, audhu billah.

I believe there is a concsious being outside time and space who initiated this whole universe. To say otherwise is like saying "the universe started itself" nothing can begin or start by itself, cause anything with a start must have a cause. t

Try and read this: https://islamqa.info/en/219688

I rather not confuse myself with such theories lol.

Why don't you accept Allah / God as the Creator of the universe? Who has no beginning or end? Why do you insist on denying Allah?

As for me I believe Allah SWT created everything, and everything that has come to existence and everything that exists, must have a creator, a Creator whom has no creator. Who is Eternal.

Don't you think/see that this universe had to have come from somewhere, that someone made it? To say otherwise, and with this cyclical theory, it is as if you've taken this universe as God, audhu billah. Don't you see the delusion in that?
 
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Btw, I don't see this universe as infinite, unless I am proven wrong by the Quran.

Energy is created too, it isn't uncreated. Why do I say this? I believe Allah SWT created energy in a closed loop or something. Cause only Allah SWT is uncreated, uncaused.

James, perhaps try to look at the universe from another perspective, don't you see conscious design? Don't you see yourself as evidence?
 
On the consideration that اللهُ created energy, it falls outside of the current understanding of man if it is in a loop then the rationality would be that it is neither created nor destroyed, but since اللهُ is uncreated or uncaused because اللهُ is the causer of this energy then it exists in this infinite loop and thus recycles itself. If I made sense
 
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On the consideration that اللهُ created energy, it falls outside of the current understanding of man if it is in a loop then the rationality would be that it is neither created nor destroyed, but since اللهُ is uncreated or uncaused because اللهُ is the causer of this energy then it exists in this infinite loop and thus recycles itself. If I made sense
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Yeah, since Allah is able to loop something, and close the system,

Though this universe did have a beginning. It is expanding, yes. but it had a beginning, because Allah SWT is the First and the Last.
 
There are things humans will not understand. Just like before when the Quran was revealed, there were things that could not be understood by humans back then, but now it has made sense :)
 
I think it is because we are too emersed / used to these blessings, and we are too close to ourselves, we get blinded or something.

Allahu Alam.
 

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