EU: Vote to leave or stay?

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Hip Hip Hurrah! Takbeer! Onwards and upwards for Great Britain!

Very pleased, celebratory halaal toast anyone?
I don't actually agree with this post, but I like the concept of a celebratory halal toast. The thing is, I'm fasting, and have no bread, so toast is out of the question.
 
^not that sort of toast. Toast as in, when you toast to something. No bread required.
 
Greetings and peace be with you BeTheChange;

All the powerful arguments were to stay in the EU, so it made absolutely no sense that the out campaign won. However, the worry is, that the out politicians are even more scary, Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.

As predicted, the evil that is known as the stock market acted true to form, and wiped billions off the UK market, they are just greedy asset stripers and gamblers, who rape our country's assets. Some will have made huge amounts of money from this temporary crash that they deliberately engineered. Big gamblers are altering the value of the pound, in order to make fortunes.

The lack of a solution to the UK's debt mountain that has been spiralling exponentially out of control, since the banking scandal, will probably now be blamed on Brexit.

I voted out partly as a protest vote, I have no confidence in our politicians and their spin. I detest the bureaucracy of the EU, and the thought of living with around a hundred thousand laws and statutes. When we joined the EU, it was to protect our industry, coal, cars, steel, all these have gradually disappeared.

I truthfully did not expect a win for the out vote. David Cameron was quick to step down, did he see this as a vote of no confidence?

My mum and her parents were refugees from Smyrna, when it was burnt down in the 1920's, about a million fled and half a million were killed. I believe we should take in refugees.

Now the challenge is to rebuild our relationships with the EU, Scotland, Ireland and the rest of the world. Despite all the shock waves, we have to search and pray for good solutions.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric
 
Lol I didn't vote in the end..

Was at work all day :/

Some people I work with are worried about family in Europe..

Although I think it's probably just as easy as setting roots before asking them across..

Same story different day.
 
It is all a game. The super rich will get mega richer, funded by the losses of the masses.

Make no alliances with. . . It has not your best interest...

I'm not sure of the function of the union anyway, except for protectionism. We should be free to trade and pay our dues in search of honest living.

...just ranting....


:peace:
 
Brits... How are you all doing? Are news reports exaggerated or is it really that bad? Racists out in open abusing women and kids, beating up people.
 
Brits... How are you all doing? Are news reports exaggerated or is it really that bad? Racists out in open abusing women and kids, beating up people.

Racists and idiots are always out over here tbh cant get away from them, i havent seen or experienced anymore than i usually do though so it could be in different areas where more of those wack jobs actually live, but i do hope in sha Allah they are just exaggerated and no-one has actually been hurt
 
Brits... How are you all doing? Are news reports exaggerated or is it really that bad? Racists out in open abusing women and kids, beating up people.

Is that what American news reports are saying :o? I haven't heard anything like that around my area ....this is definitely a monumental decision but the media has really hyped it up. Some of them were making out the sun won't rise the day we decide to leave the EU.

Racists will always be crawling around, but nothing out of the ordinary is going on.

So alhamdulillah all is good :).
 
Well, I always try to be long on anti-fragile assets, such as gold and especially bitcoin. So, if the pound or the dollar goes down, you can expect my assets to gain value. Since a brexit was supposed to sink the pound, it was always supposed to make me money. You can imagine that I always favour my own pocket and my own long positions. Since the brexit has now been factored in into my capital gains, what do you think will be the next fiat banking calamity? I was hoping for a complete collapse and implosion of the Russian ruble. Do you think that this would be realistic? It would certainly make me money, of course. I was also hoping for Greece defaulting again on its loans. I made really good money the last time that they did. In fact, do you know of anything else that is about to crash and burn? I may start shorting that thing more specifically and more directly, rather than just passively letting the gold and the bitcoin accumulate the indirect profits.
 
Salaam

More comment. Particularly on why the no vote won.

Why We Need a General Election by mid-September

Out of the froth and fog of the last few days, something is beginning to emerge. I’m not surprised at all by the unlovely shape of it. You may not like the look of it. But first I thought I’d make a brief tour of some of the more interesting (and perhaps unexpected) commentary in this morning’s newspapers.

Let us start with this fascinating and (in my experience) wholly accurate article about the state of modern England – betting shops, payday loans, mobility scooters and all - from The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/liverpool-london-brexit-leave-eu-referendum, a good piece of left-wing journalism in the tradition of Orwell’s ‘Road to Wigan Pier' and Priestley’s ‘English Journey’. The closeness of this devastation and demoralised despair to London itself will surprise many, who think it is confined to the West Midlands and the North. I fear it will surprise a lot more who have no idea that it exists anywhere. I think the destruction it records can be blamed on many other things as well as the thatcher era. But BBC Remain types need to read this, by one of their own(though perhaps he’s one of Jeremy Corbyn’s, I don’t know) .

They may then begin to grasp what happened last week, and even start to sympathise with it.

Next, from the same paper, is this typically perceptive analysis by Larry Elliott:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jun/26/brexit-is-the-rejection-of-globalisation

He correctly notes that Britain’s self-image as an economic success story is batty self-delusion, saying:’ To be sure, not all Britain’s problems are the result of its EU membership. It is not the European commission’s fault that productivity is so weak or that the trains don’t run on time. The deep-seated failings that were there when Britain voted in the referendum last Thursday were still there when the country woke up to the result on Friday. Evidence of just how unbalanced the economy is will be provided when the latest figures for Britain’s current account are released later this week. These show whether the country’s trade and investment income are in the black or the red. At the last count, in the final three months of 2015, the UK was running a record peacetime deficit of 7% of GDP.’

Then he points out that the EU (the same is true of the post NAFTA USA) has failed to protect its working population from the ferocious downward pressures of globalisation: ‘In the shiny new world created when former communist countries were integrated into the global model, Europe was supposed to be big and powerful enough to protect its citizens against the worst excesses of the market. Nation states had previously been the guarantor of full employment and welfare. The controls they imposed on the free movement of capital and people ensured that trade unions could bargain for higher pay without the threat of work being off-shored, or cheaper labour being brought into the country.’

He adds : ‘Europe has failed to fulfil the historic role allocated to it. Jobs, living standards and welfare states were all better protected in the heyday of nation states in the 1950s and 1960s than they have been in the age of globalisation. Unemployment across the eurozone is more than 10%. Italy’s economy is barely any bigger now than it was when the euro was created. Greece’s economy has shrunk by almost a third. Austerity has eroded welfare provision. Labour market protections have been stripped away.’

He is very good on the implications of this for left-wing parties which have blithely backed open-doors immigration policies.

Many people, once they understand what free trade really means, are beginning to wonder whether protection is really quite such a bad idea as the modish economists keep telling them.

Finally there is this from the distinguished and original-minded Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the ‘Daily Telegraph’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...de-what-brexit-means-in-the-interests-of-the/

The shape of a compromise, miles from what many in the ‘Leave’ campaign want, but acceptable to the current Parliament, is here very accurately and credibly set out. Something of this kind may very well happen. Just as we are not now fully in the EU, but pretend we are, we could end with a position where we are not fully out of it, but pretend we are.

This is why anyone who seriously wants a thorough break with the EU that will restore our control of our borders needs to realise that a referendum was never going to be enough to achieve this.

Something – perhaps yet another petition – needs to be done to encourage and record public support (if there is any now people are beginning to realise what's at stake) for a swift general election, held to cement and confirm the decision of the referendum. In my view, the referendum cannot possibly take full effect( and will have been waste of time) unless the composition and the balance of forces is irrevocably altered now in the Commons.

If an election is held soon enough (certainly before October) then all candidates can reasonably be asked to state without equivocation whether they support or oppose the verdict of the referendum, and how they will vote on the matter if elected. This must then be more important than their party allegiances. It will compel local alliances which could make almost all ‘safe’ seats unsafe. And it would also compel the elected members in such a Parliament to seek new allegiances, refusing the old Labour or Tory whips. It could be the first step towards the complete realignment our political system so badly needs. If it does not happen, then some sort of Norwegian arrangement under which we remain in the Single Market and lack full control of our borders, will be what we will get. It will resolve almost none of the problems described above. Good luck with that.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/
 
This is more on Social Media than on Amrikan Media. There are pictures of Polish Father and son being beaten up and bloodied. Muslim women being cornered and threatened. People standing infront of Masajids and yelling obscenities
 
Salaam

Relax brother, there's no need for such language. The European Union has its strengths but it has flaws, serious ones. Its no panacea.
 
what language?

I call a cat a cat and a dog a dog... and morons have posted they have no idea why they will vote but vote they must... to the detriment of this nation I call home.

They voted leave too - the irony is that they slap the face of their own ethnic histories when they do this - yet at the time of casting the vote they had no idea what they were actually voting for.

SP please, spare me your dribble. lol

Scimi
 
Greetings and peace be with you kritikvernunft;

Since a brexit was supposed to sink the pound, it was always supposed to make me money.

I Think it is terribly wrong for any country to expose its currency to asset stripers.

Since the brexit has now been factored in into my capital gains, what do you think will be the next fiat banking calamity?

The stock market is evil, it allows asset stripers to gamble and make money on people's jobs, this is not investing in companies.

I was hoping for a complete collapse and implosion of the Russian ruble. Do you think that this would be realistic? It would certainly make me money, of course.

Asset striping again.

I was also hoping for Greece defaulting again on its loans. I made really good money the last time that they did. In fact,

And again

The people of Britain voted to come out of Europe, why should asset stripers be allowed to take advantage of a democratic vote?

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.

Eric
 
Earlier today my good friend David, who is an atheist called me and said "this country is effed, why don't we both go to India and live in your family house there - it's gotta be better than what's happening here"... that was a long phone call as you can imagine.

I don't experience racism where I live, and haven't done since the early eighties.

American media - as usual - is fear mongering to make it's people believe they live in the "best nation in the world" which is very funny considering they are isolated from the rest of the world and live on a landmass that was invaded by Gog, destroyed by Gog and now tunnel visioned by Gog.
 
American media isn't elevating itself at the moment in terms of Brexit. So I don't know why you would say they are fear mongering.
Americans honestly don't care about European politics, and consider the British European so..

But the reason Brexit has come up on our news is because the UK was basically the USA's door to the rest of the European market. The US has no incentive to trade with 'just Britain' so is understandably appalled that the UK has pulled out of the EU, as this can affect the trading bloc.
And unless the UK can maintain the status quo and remain a member of the free market, it is more likely that US and other international companies with branches and factories headquartered in the UK will pull out and relocate in Germany or France or some other European country.

To be completely honest all Americans care about the UK as a whole are:
Doctor Who, and Royal Babies. That's it.
The entire nation can collapse and the US public probably wouldn't bother to care, the U.K. is an ocean away and a foreign land.

Fear mongering has only been within British soil itself, although as an outsider I don't think that it was unwarranted;
the U.K. has honestly collapsed as the powerhouse it was after being decimated through world war 2. It doesn't have the colonies it had, or the economic might it once had, and honestly is a lot more reliant on the EU trading bloc than it would apparently like to admit. The old glory days of the British crown are long over.
I'm not sure that the leave campaigners realize that.
Maybe they assume they can become economically important as a market on their own, without the rest of Europe.
I guess only time will tell.
But honestly the rest of the world doesn't care to wait and find out.
As of right now, investing in the UK as a nonmember of the EU (if the referendum results are followed through), doesn't sound attractive to the rest of the international community for the most part. Whereas before if I invest I get the UK AND all of Europe, now I might just get the UK. Much less of an incentive.
 
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The US has bigger problems itself with the upcoming elections and possibilities of Trump winning.

With Brexit actually succeeding, it gives credence to the possibility of the most unexpected, and in this case that being Drumpf, so worst possible scenario, happening.
 
Fear mongering has only been within British soil itself,

You're not serious? are you?

I can find a plethora of examples to prove you wrong - like how Americans were led to believe the Birmingham was a Muslim state within the UK :D that one really tickled me.

Here:


See Mr captain Amreeki, that FOX/CNN fear mongering doesn't go unnoticed by us Muslims all over the planet - how can you remain so ignorant of your two most viral news agencies which spew innacurate nonsense... This video proves you not only wrong, but wrongfully patriotic to a failed nation that likes to think it is "great"... the only thing it's great at is propagating Islamophobia.

This is what I think:


Guzzy takes the total sarcastic fish from the FOX/CNN narrative :D he's funny (foz news aint gonna lie are they? :D that was total spank - with more spank)


Gosh bro, please try again :D

Scimi
 
Hmmm maybe the lefty liberal EU has been stifling the English. Is this a set up? It happened so easy. Has the English establishment turned it's eyes away from the east and is now focusing on it's overgrown obnoxious child to the west? Wouldn't an Anglo American empire be grand? And maybe even a greater empire of the Five Eyes Anglo sphere, the English speaking nations united to rule the world. Seems possible don't it?
 
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