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وَأَشْهَدَهُمْ عَلَى أَنفُسِهِمْ أَلَسْتَ بِرَبِّكُمْ قَالُواْ بَلَى شَهِدْنَا أَن تَقُولُواْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ إِنَّا كُنَّا عَنْ هَذَا غَافِلِينَ {172
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And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord?" They said: "Yes! We testify," lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Verily, we have been unaware of this."
إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَى عِندَ اللّهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثِمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ {59
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:Indeed, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
فَأَجَاءهَا الْمَخَاضُ إِلَى جِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يَا لَيْتَنِي مِتُّ قَبْلَ هَذَا وَكُنتُ نَسْيًا مَّنسِيًّا {23
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And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said: "Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!"
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ مِن سُلَالَةٍ مِّن طِينٍ {12
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And indeed We created Al Insaan (man) out of an extract of clay (water and earth).
ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ {13
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Thereafter We turned him into a drop of fluid in a safe lodging
ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ {14
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Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (leech/suspended thing/blood clot), then We made the clot into Mudghah (a little lump of flesh/chewy substance), then We made out of that Mudghah bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.
Check where it becomes "khalq an aakhar"
But for those who just assume that it happened randomly by chance with no design in place, consider the logic and odds of this happening randomly:
My son asked me what a pearl was (he'd heard me say it) and i suddenly remembered this book, and when i found it on the shelf i stared at it in amazement for ages as if it was the first time i'd ever seen it, now when i see my cat, i wonder if it's chain of primitive ancestors chose to incrementally develop fur as they branched off when they were cold, and claws to fight with and climb, and when i see ducks and chickens start walking in 1-3 days i wonder if whatever it was that might have been a predecessor to humans just lay there for ages thinking, feeling, listening and deciding with whatever form of basic intelligence and biological faculties it had and concentrated on developing those first before deciding to get up, since human babies take years to become useful- but later end up wielding all the tools to surpass all creatures - a question of using the mind wisely, and of using tools wisely too.
And Allah knows best.
Burger king or mcdonalds, democrats or republicans, edl or nf, america or russia? Rather cling to Allah who breathed of His spirit and guided our first common ancestor and also - if He did, those things before adam all the way to the atom and beyond. (Don't ya luv the way they rhyme?)
SEEMS LIKE OUR PRIMITIVE ANCESTORS MADE THE BEST CHOICES, EVEN BEFORE BEING CALLED MAN, but then again were they the best choices,?Allah knows best. At least the other critters saved themselves from hell.
إِنَّا عَرَضْنَا الْأَمَانَةَ عَلَى السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَالْجِبَالِ فَأَبَيْنَ أَن يَحْمِلْنَهَا وَأَشْفَقْنَ مِنْهَا وَحَمَلَهَا الْإِنسَانُ إِنَّهُ كَانَ ظَلُومًا جَهُولًا {72
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Truly, We did offer Al-Amanah (the trust or moral responsibility or honesty and all the duties which Allah has ordained) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they declined to bear it and were afraid of it (i.e. afraid of Allah's Torment). But man bore it. Verily, he was unjust (to himself) and ignorant (of its results).
لِيُعَذِّبَ اللَّهُ الْمُنَافِقِينَ وَالْمُنَافِقَاتِ وَالْمُشْرِكِينَ وَالْمُشْرِكَاتِ وَيَتُوبَ اللَّهُ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا {73
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So that Allah will punish the hypocrites, men and women, and the men and women who are Al-Mushrikun (the polytheists, idolaters, pagans, those who imagine others to hold equal authority with Allah, or independent authority under Allah). And Allah will pardon (accept the repentance of) the true believers of the Islamic Monotheism, men and women. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Imagining that we came from some sort of bacteria that formed from essential clay isn't too difficult when you see trees bearing mangoes and others coconuts and all the baby coconuts covered by a shade that whithers away gradually -come straight out of the same soil, and the fact that the impure sperm drop appears to play a replication of millions if not billions of years of actions superfast is not at all surprising.
There's that question of qadr and self-action that we'll probably have to have explained to us on or after the day of judgement, because there are certainly massive amounts of data in that sperm and egg which makes your son grin the way you do and not the way obama does or the way your cat does.
Maysara Al Dhabbi (r) said he asked the Prophet (s), "Oh, Messenger of Allah, when did you become a prophet?" He (s) answered, "While Adam was still between the soul and the body."
http://www.israinternational.com/knowledge-nexus/311-know-your-prophet-saws.html
They ended up meeting an old Bedouin man and the Prophet asked him, “Have you heard anything about the army of Muhammad, and the army of Quraysh?” So the man said, “Tell me who you are and then I will tell you where they are.” The Prophet said, ‘If you tell us, we will tell you.’ So the old man said, “I received information that Muhammad and his army left Madeenah on such-and-such a date. If this information is correct, they should now be in such-and-such place.” He then pointed out the right position of the Muslim army, and that indicated his truth. He then said, “And I’ve received information, that the army of Quraysh have left on such-and-such date. If that information is correct, then they would be in such-and-such place.”
The Bedouin then asked the Prophet and Abu Bakr, “Who are you, were are you from?” The Prophet said: نَحْنُ مِنْ مَاء “We are from water.” And he and Abu Bakr walked away.
The man began flipping his hands, saying: مِنْ مَاء؟ أَمِنْ مَاءِ العِرَاق؟ “What? From water? What do you mean? Are you from the water (rivers) of Iraq?” The Prophet meant that we were created from water as Allah says in Surah Anbiya, Ayah 30: “Allah has made every living being out of water.” (Also if you didn’t understand what the Prophet meant, refer to the Qur’aan, 32:8)
http://mymonline.org/the-battle-of-badr/
وَاللَّهُ خَلَقَ كُلَّ دَابَّةٍ مِن مَّاء فَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى بَطْنِهِ وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى رِجْلَيْنِ وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى أَرْبَعٍ يَخْلُقُ اللَّهُ مَا يَشَاء إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ {45
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Allah has created every moving (living) creature from water.
Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Verily! Allah is Able to do all things.
Let us bear in mind though that there is no point in blaming Adam for his original sin or in saying "the fathers have eaten sour grapes therefore the childrens teeth are set on edge", since all belong to Allah and are able to follow the guidance of Allah, and that Allah will reward each person according to their abilities, circumstances and struggles, the facts make no room for people to excuse murder by nazi and rockefeller type racist thinking in Allah's dominion, those choices were and are Allah's to make.
allah has shown us examples of the people of Jonah, and Ibrahim (pbuh) the son of idol maker azar that His mercy and guidance can overcome ancestral traits, and that He can heal the breasts of people in a heartbeat.
Edit: the thought just struck me lol, to those who claim the right of unbridled freedom whilst actually never being free of laws, do take the time to consider that if the theories regarding evolution are true, and many indeed appear to be, our common ancestors, whatever they were before Adam would have had the freedom to choose to be cats and dogs, but chose to think critically and truthfully, and struggled to suppress their desire to just keep their tails (like we see in the fetus) and swing about on trees, and did major jihad of nafs in Allah's way in order to be human. It is highly unlikely that they would have seen an obvious truth ahead of them, with their minds and hearts acknowledging it, and then just chosen to ignore it and follow their short term whims whilst deluding themselves as to long term consequences. The fittest to continue during noah's time were those who's minds and hearts acknowledged the truth, and struggled and long-suffered in accepting it, and the weakest were deemed as those who rejected the obvious truth that their hearts and minds acknowledged just so they could claim to be free whilst playing in falsehood and vice, and heading to self destruction, Allah cut that short, and it's usually been the case that those who chose to accept and follow God's guidance and His messengers prevailed in this world too, their names remained whilst the crooks who opposed the truth lost.
an orwellian or huxlian atheist society couldn't and wouldn't last long logically since they're based on denying truth and/or accepting tyranny, it's degenerative from the outset.
190.*Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for those who possess understanding,
191.*Those who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth:
"Our Lord! not for nothing have You created (all) this! Glory to You/You are free from imperfection! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.
192.*"Our Lord! any whom You admit to the Fire, Truly You cover with shame, and for the unjust, there are no helpers.
193.*"Our Lord! we have heard the call of one calling (Us) to Faith, 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins, blot out from us our iniquities, and enter us into the company of the righteous.
194.*"Our Lord! Grant us what You have promised unto us through Your messengers, and do not humiliate us on the Day of Judgment: For You never breakest Thy promise."
195.*And their Lord has responded to them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be they male or female: You are members, one of another: Those who have left their homes, or have been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of Allah, and from His presence is the best of rewards."
196.*Let not the strutting about of the rejecters (of Allah) through the land deceive you:
197.*Little is it for enjoyment: Their ultimate abode is Hell: what an evil bed (To lie on)!
198.*On the other hand, for those who fear their Lord, are Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath; therein are they to dwell (for ever),- a gift from the presence of Allah. and that which is in the presence of Allah is the best (bliss) for the righteous.
From Quran Chapter 3
As i was thinking about it all, chapter an-nisaa began to play and the words nafsin waahidatin wa khalaqa minhaa zawjahaa struck me as a possible hint.
The "haa" indicates feminine or inanimate, so since Adam was a man, the "she" is deducted from the equation and the remaining "it" would point to a previous ancestor before al insaan, or the soul of Adam.
If it is the soul, we have been given very limited knowledge and it would be pointless to rack our brains but if the "it" is a creature or a particle(since they too come in pairs with positrons and electrons and whatever stuff)....God knows....i'm getting a bit lost and it's 7:32am and i'm going to sleep. How does yogurt multiply??? Its 7:40.
Can anyone else expound on what they understand from the two "ha" s in ch4 v1?
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And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord?" They said: "Yes! We testify," lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Verily, we have been unaware of this."
إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَى عِندَ اللّهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثِمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ {59
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:Indeed, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.
فَأَجَاءهَا الْمَخَاضُ إِلَى جِذْعِ النَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يَا لَيْتَنِي مِتُّ قَبْلَ هَذَا وَكُنتُ نَسْيًا مَّنسِيًّا {23
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And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said: "Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!"
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ مِن سُلَالَةٍ مِّن طِينٍ {12
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And indeed We created Al Insaan (man) out of an extract of clay (water and earth).
ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ {13
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Thereafter We turned him into a drop of fluid in a safe lodging
ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ {14
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Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (leech/suspended thing/blood clot), then We made the clot into Mudghah (a little lump of flesh/chewy substance), then We made out of that Mudghah bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.
Check where it becomes "khalq an aakhar"
But for those who just assume that it happened randomly by chance with no design in place, consider the logic and odds of this happening randomly:
My son asked me what a pearl was (he'd heard me say it) and i suddenly remembered this book, and when i found it on the shelf i stared at it in amazement for ages as if it was the first time i'd ever seen it, now when i see my cat, i wonder if it's chain of primitive ancestors chose to incrementally develop fur as they branched off when they were cold, and claws to fight with and climb, and when i see ducks and chickens start walking in 1-3 days i wonder if whatever it was that might have been a predecessor to humans just lay there for ages thinking, feeling, listening and deciding with whatever form of basic intelligence and biological faculties it had and concentrated on developing those first before deciding to get up, since human babies take years to become useful- but later end up wielding all the tools to surpass all creatures - a question of using the mind wisely, and of using tools wisely too.
And Allah knows best.
Burger king or mcdonalds, democrats or republicans, edl or nf, america or russia? Rather cling to Allah who breathed of His spirit and guided our first common ancestor and also - if He did, those things before adam all the way to the atom and beyond. (Don't ya luv the way they rhyme?)
SEEMS LIKE OUR PRIMITIVE ANCESTORS MADE THE BEST CHOICES, EVEN BEFORE BEING CALLED MAN, but then again were they the best choices,?Allah knows best. At least the other critters saved themselves from hell.
إِنَّا عَرَضْنَا الْأَمَانَةَ عَلَى السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَالْجِبَالِ فَأَبَيْنَ أَن يَحْمِلْنَهَا وَأَشْفَقْنَ مِنْهَا وَحَمَلَهَا الْإِنسَانُ إِنَّهُ كَانَ ظَلُومًا جَهُولًا {72
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Truly, We did offer Al-Amanah (the trust or moral responsibility or honesty and all the duties which Allah has ordained) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they declined to bear it and were afraid of it (i.e. afraid of Allah's Torment). But man bore it. Verily, he was unjust (to himself) and ignorant (of its results).
لِيُعَذِّبَ اللَّهُ الْمُنَافِقِينَ وَالْمُنَافِقَاتِ وَالْمُشْرِكِينَ وَالْمُشْرِكَاتِ وَيَتُوبَ اللَّهُ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا {73
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So that Allah will punish the hypocrites, men and women, and the men and women who are Al-Mushrikun (the polytheists, idolaters, pagans, those who imagine others to hold equal authority with Allah, or independent authority under Allah). And Allah will pardon (accept the repentance of) the true believers of the Islamic Monotheism, men and women. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Imagining that we came from some sort of bacteria that formed from essential clay isn't too difficult when you see trees bearing mangoes and others coconuts and all the baby coconuts covered by a shade that whithers away gradually -come straight out of the same soil, and the fact that the impure sperm drop appears to play a replication of millions if not billions of years of actions superfast is not at all surprising.
There's that question of qadr and self-action that we'll probably have to have explained to us on or after the day of judgement, because there are certainly massive amounts of data in that sperm and egg which makes your son grin the way you do and not the way obama does or the way your cat does.
Maysara Al Dhabbi (r) said he asked the Prophet (s), "Oh, Messenger of Allah, when did you become a prophet?" He (s) answered, "While Adam was still between the soul and the body."
http://www.israinternational.com/knowledge-nexus/311-know-your-prophet-saws.html
They ended up meeting an old Bedouin man and the Prophet asked him, “Have you heard anything about the army of Muhammad, and the army of Quraysh?” So the man said, “Tell me who you are and then I will tell you where they are.” The Prophet said, ‘If you tell us, we will tell you.’ So the old man said, “I received information that Muhammad and his army left Madeenah on such-and-such a date. If this information is correct, they should now be in such-and-such place.” He then pointed out the right position of the Muslim army, and that indicated his truth. He then said, “And I’ve received information, that the army of Quraysh have left on such-and-such date. If that information is correct, then they would be in such-and-such place.”
The Bedouin then asked the Prophet and Abu Bakr, “Who are you, were are you from?” The Prophet said: نَحْنُ مِنْ مَاء “We are from water.” And he and Abu Bakr walked away.
The man began flipping his hands, saying: مِنْ مَاء؟ أَمِنْ مَاءِ العِرَاق؟ “What? From water? What do you mean? Are you from the water (rivers) of Iraq?” The Prophet meant that we were created from water as Allah says in Surah Anbiya, Ayah 30: “Allah has made every living being out of water.” (Also if you didn’t understand what the Prophet meant, refer to the Qur’aan, 32:8)http://mymonline.org/the-battle-of-badr/
وَاللَّهُ خَلَقَ كُلَّ دَابَّةٍ مِن مَّاء فَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى بَطْنِهِ وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى رِجْلَيْنِ وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى أَرْبَعٍ يَخْلُقُ اللَّهُ مَا يَشَاء إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ {45
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Allah has created every moving (living) creature from water.
Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs, and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills. Verily! Allah is Able to do all things.
Let us bear in mind though that there is no point in blaming Adam for his original sin or in saying "the fathers have eaten sour grapes therefore the childrens teeth are set on edge", since all belong to Allah and are able to follow the guidance of Allah, and that Allah will reward each person according to their abilities, circumstances and struggles, the facts make no room for people to excuse murder by nazi and rockefeller type racist thinking in Allah's dominion, those choices were and are Allah's to make.
allah has shown us examples of the people of Jonah, and Ibrahim (pbuh) the son of idol maker azar that His mercy and guidance can overcome ancestral traits, and that He can heal the breasts of people in a heartbeat.
Edit: the thought just struck me lol, to those who claim the right of unbridled freedom whilst actually never being free of laws, do take the time to consider that if the theories regarding evolution are true, and many indeed appear to be, our common ancestors, whatever they were before Adam would have had the freedom to choose to be cats and dogs, but chose to think critically and truthfully, and struggled to suppress their desire to just keep their tails (like we see in the fetus) and swing about on trees, and did major jihad of nafs in Allah's way in order to be human. It is highly unlikely that they would have seen an obvious truth ahead of them, with their minds and hearts acknowledging it, and then just chosen to ignore it and follow their short term whims whilst deluding themselves as to long term consequences. The fittest to continue during noah's time were those who's minds and hearts acknowledged the truth, and struggled and long-suffered in accepting it, and the weakest were deemed as those who rejected the obvious truth that their hearts and minds acknowledged just so they could claim to be free whilst playing in falsehood and vice, and heading to self destruction, Allah cut that short, and it's usually been the case that those who chose to accept and follow God's guidance and His messengers prevailed in this world too, their names remained whilst the crooks who opposed the truth lost.
an orwellian or huxlian atheist society couldn't and wouldn't last long logically since they're based on denying truth and/or accepting tyranny, it's degenerative from the outset.
190.*Verily in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for those who possess understanding,
191.*Those who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth:
"Our Lord! not for nothing have You created (all) this! Glory to You/You are free from imperfection! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.
192.*"Our Lord! any whom You admit to the Fire, Truly You cover with shame, and for the unjust, there are no helpers.
193.*"Our Lord! we have heard the call of one calling (Us) to Faith, 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed. Our Lord! Forgive us our sins, blot out from us our iniquities, and enter us into the company of the righteous.
194.*"Our Lord! Grant us what You have promised unto us through Your messengers, and do not humiliate us on the Day of Judgment: For You never breakest Thy promise."
195.*And their Lord has responded to them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be they male or female: You are members, one of another: Those who have left their homes, or have been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of Allah, and from His presence is the best of rewards."
196.*Let not the strutting about of the rejecters (of Allah) through the land deceive you:
197.*Little is it for enjoyment: Their ultimate abode is Hell: what an evil bed (To lie on)!
198.*On the other hand, for those who fear their Lord, are Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath; therein are they to dwell (for ever),- a gift from the presence of Allah. and that which is in the presence of Allah is the best (bliss) for the righteous.
From Quran Chapter 3
As i was thinking about it all, chapter an-nisaa began to play and the words nafsin waahidatin wa khalaqa minhaa zawjahaa struck me as a possible hint.
The "haa" indicates feminine or inanimate, so since Adam was a man, the "she" is deducted from the equation and the remaining "it" would point to a previous ancestor before al insaan, or the soul of Adam.
If it is the soul, we have been given very limited knowledge and it would be pointless to rack our brains but if the "it" is a creature or a particle(since they too come in pairs with positrons and electrons and whatever stuff)....God knows....i'm getting a bit lost and it's 7:32am and i'm going to sleep. How does yogurt multiply??? Its 7:40.
Can anyone else expound on what they understand from the two "ha" s in ch4 v1?
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