Yes, I'm a Conspiracy Theorist!

[Scimitar]

It's true... I have felt this world has been hoodwinked by dodgy media narratives since 1993 during the first gulf war crisis... but I was young and impressionable and got into a whole load of bad stuff.

Cue two weeks before 911 and I dreamed about it - yes, I saw the twin towers up in the sky with what looked like rocket thrusters under them and this dream would come back to me during the day in moments that can only be described as somewhere in between deja vu and and a bad trip. I didn't know what it meant but as I sat there at work on that fateful day when the towers got blown up and thousands of innocent people died - It was like a memory already passed... and I actually passed out briefly to boot.

Since then, I changed my life and my choices. I became keen on understanding the big questions most of us prefer to ignore, and though I struggled with drugs and depression through this testing time, I came through it with Allahs help, alhamdulillah.

I notice the forum peeps don't look too kindly on conspiracy theories or theorists - and I have to ask why?

You're all willing to discuss politics (that game of lies and false promises and the illusion of choice) while calling us, the ones who seek truth - conspiracy theorists? I find it quite contradictory a statement.

Personally, I am happy to identify as a Muslim conspiracy theorist and am too long in the tooth to care what people think. I'm no spring chicken lol, forty one now and alhamdulillah I feel like the past 15 years have been truly educational alhamdulillah.

Meanwhile - your political discussions make you "conspiracy theorists" by default while claiming you are not.

Recognise the flaw in your logic.

Scimi

 

[Akhi_Umar]

I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

What about the conspiracy that there are aliens living in Area 51?

 

[Scimitar]

What about the conspiracy that there are aliens living in Area 51?

LOL, funny.

Area51 is Lockheed Martins R+D base, aka "skunk works" - I read the account of Ben Rich's time there as CEO in the late fifties to sixties - and how they developed the SR71 blackbird (does mach 3 you know) and the U2 spy plane (pilots were made to sign disclaimers that should they die, their families are entitled to nada - oh yeah the fuselage of the U2 was paper, and the landing wheels were taken from push bikes) and the F117a Stealth bomber (which was fully functional in the 60's but was only revealed during operation desert storm because they could no longer keep the bomber a secret due to the "offifial secrets act"... the interesting thing here is - for thirty years they did test runs on the bomber and due to its strange triangular shape - the 60's, 70's and 80's were rife with reports from across the world regarding strange "triangular shaped UFO's")...

Rabbit holes - people should really go down them

Scimi

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

But no aliens?

You've done a lot of research on the conspiracy theory business.

What is your view on the following conspiracy theories:

1) Barack Obama is a Muslim.

2) The world is run by the "Illuminati". No news agency in the world can bring out their daily newspaper without it first being approved by this group. All presidents around the world are installed by them. They are Jews, and so the Jews are running the world behind the scenes...

3) Hitler was a Muslim who secretly used to make Salaah. (Conspiracy theorists claim Hitler made the following statement: "..Hence today, I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator, by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of ALLAH.”

-Adolf Hitler | Mein Kampf"

 

[sister herb]

I believe that for being a good conspiracy theorist, person has to have a great imagination.

:thumbsup:

 

[kritikvernunft]

1) Barack Obama is a Muslim

Technically, that could be true. If you apply "The child of a Muslim man is a Muslim" as strictly as "The child of a Jewish woman is a Jew" is ordinarily applied -- The child of a Jewish woman can simply not deny to be a Jew -- in that case, Obama is technically a Muslim.

 

[Scimitar]

But no aliens?

None that i found convincing... oh did I mention I'm a dab hand inside of special effects software for film? I can spot fakes a mile off.

But no aliens? You've done a lot of research on the conspiracy theory business.

My conspiracy studies stem from a very long investment in 17 ayaat of al kahf and 2 in al anbiyah, I'm sure you know where I am going with this.

But no aliens? What is your view on the following conspiracy theories:

1) Barack Obama is a Muslim.

That's between him and Allah. I do not know what is in his heart, it's not like I can cut him open and check now is it?

2) The world is run by the "Illuminati". No news agency in the world can bring out their daily newspaper without it first being approved by this group. All presidents around the world are installed by them. They are Jews, and so the Jews are running the world behind the scenes...

I used to work in the media, in fact I was working in Trinity Mirror Southern when the planes hit the twin towers - Reuters showed it first, and all news agencies bought the footage from reuters who are the international news bank... yep, they have news banks.

As for illuminati - and freemasonry, and the off-spin groups - they all vie for one thing - Zionism. Straight standard - surely you know the story of Solomon pbuh and how he confiscated the tablets of magic from the children of Israel no? And when the crusaders turned up, they dug under the supposed place of Solomons throne and found these tablets - they didn't understand the text so they asked the Muslim imams who were arrested and the Imams said "this writing is old and not from our people, try the Christians" and off came mt Muslim imams heads...

the Christian priests referred to the Jews and off came the Christian priests heads...

The Jews, caved in - and from that point - the devil had shaken hands with the Jews who fomented the Kabalah and hence - what is referred to by them as "the plan of ages" was put in to motion... a return to Jerusalem by people who were never Jews to begin with was now a politically justified ideal.

Next step was to get Christian sympathisers to lend credence to the movement - this unholy alliance between Jews and Christians called Zionism is spoken of in the Qur'an in a very beautiful and subtle way:

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[TD="align: left"]O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. - Al Maida: 51

I have Christian friends and Jewish friends, but none of these are Zionists... This verse seems to be identifying exactly this fitan which has permeated the fabric of middle eastern reality today.[/TD]
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3) Hitler was a Muslim who secretly used to make Salaah. (Conspiracy theorists claim Hitler made the following statement: "..Hence today, I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator, by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of ALLAH.”-Adolf Hitler | Mein Kampf"

Refer to the answer I gave to question regarding Obama.

Scimi

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

I only recently discovered that three famous figures in the Muslim world were in fact Freemasons:

1) Rashid Rida.

2) Jamaal-ud-Deen Afghani.

3) Muhammad Abduh.

I don't think Rashid Rida needs any introduction. He basically started the "modernist/reformist" movement. In fact, he had visited Darul Uloom Deoband back in the time when some of the senior `Ulamaa were still teaching there, and they praised him and considered him to be a great `Aalim. So he had managed to deceive even great `Ulamaa into thinking he was a good person.

Another guy who's openly admitted to being a Freemason is Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar). He claims to be a 33rd Degree Freemason. A "Grandmaster". You can find this lunatic's ramblings in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eUOY1SGxyQ

[WARNING: The clip contains immodestly dressed women (like all the rest of his videos do).]

 

[Scimitar]

Adnan Okhtar's story is a weird one. I bougt some of his books post 911, got the freemasonry one he published. The very same where he condemned the Freemason movement as satanic. And now, he jives to house music during commercial breaks with his plastic bombshell mistresses whilst glorifying freemasonry... he even invited masons to his show and praised them - I was cringing through the whole thing. How the mighty fall eh?

Scimi

 

[Mustafa16]

I only recently discovered that three famous figures in the Muslim world were in fact Freemasons:

1) Rashid Rida.

2) Jamaal-ud-Deen Afghani.

3) Muhammad Abduh.

I don't think Rashid Rida needs any introduction. He basically started the "modernist/reformist" movement. In fact, he had visited Darul Uloom Deoband back in the time when some of the senior `Ulamaa were still teaching there, and they praised him and considered him to be a great `Aalim. So he had managed to deceive even great `Ulamaa into thinking he was a good person.

Another guy who's openly admitted to being a Freemason is Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar). He claims to be a 33rd Degree Freemason. A "Grandmaster". You can find this lunatic's ramblings in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eUOY1SGxyQ

[WARNING: The clip contains immodestly dressed women (like all the rest of his videos do).]

oh yes, harun yahya is way out there.....

 

[jabeady]

LOL, funny.

Area51 is Lockheed Martins R+D base, aka "skunk works" - I read the account of Ben Rich's time there as CEO in the late fifties to sixties - and how they developed the SR71 blackbird (does mach 3 you know) and the U2 spy plane (pilots were made to sign disclaimers that should they die, their families are entitled to nada - oh yeah the fuselage of the U2 was paper, and the landing wheels were taken from push bikes) and the F117a Stealth bomber (which was fully functional in the 60's but was only revealed during operation desert storm because they could no longer keep the bomber a secret due to the "offifial secrets act"... the interesting thing here is - for thirty years they did test runs on the bomber and due to its strange triangular shape - the 60's, 70's and 80's were rife with reports from across the world regarding strange "triangular shaped UFO's")...

Rabbit holes - people should really go down them

Scimi

So, you're 41! Congrats! I can almost remember when I was that young. Almost.

Also,congrats on your research. You've accomplished what the Testor Model Company did, but they managed it before those planes became public knowledge, and then made them into model plane kits.

A government conspiracy is an official act so secret that the government is the only group that doesn't know about it.

 

[Scimitar]

Thank you for the kind words lol

A government conspiracy is an official act so secret that the government is the only group that doesn't know about it.

That made me giggle. The buck doesn't stop at the "government"... the food chain goes way higher than that. :nervous:

Scimi

 

[ardianto]

1) Barack Obama is a Muslim

Technically, that could be true. If you apply "The child of a Muslim man is a Muslim" as strictly as "The child of a Jewish woman is a Jew" is ordinarily applied -- The child of a Jewish woman can simply not deny to be a Jew -- in that case, Obama is technically a Muslim.

Jew is ethnic that associated with offspring, while Islam is religion that associated with choice. Descendant of a Jewish is Jewish too, but descendant of Muslim does not automatically become Muslim because religion not inherited through DNA.

 

[ardianto]

I only recently discovered that three famous figures in the Muslim world were in fact Freemasons:

1) Rashid Rida.

2) Jamaal-ud-Deen Afghani.

3) Muhammad Abduh.

I am sure Muhammadiyah Indonesia disagree with you.

Muhammadiyah is the second biggest Muslim organization in Indonesia, which very inspired by the thought from these three figures. But I don't think Muhammadiyah relate to Masonic.

 

[Scimitar]

oh yes, harun yahya is way out there.....

There is a story to his "conversion" to Freemasonry, which he does not share openly but it did circulate on WakeUpProject forum when it was still alive. Apparently some time in the naughties, he was arrested and disappeared for two years and his mind was "conditioned" via various torture methods to compromise his Islam and lose his esteemed reputation in the Muslim world... if this is actually true - it worked a bloody charm.

Scimi

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Apparently he spent some time in an asylum.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

I am sure Muhammadiyah Indonesia disagree with you.

Muhammadiyah is the second biggest Muslim organization in Indonesia, which very inspired by the thought from these three figures. But I don't think Muhammadiyah relate to Masonic.

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=17758

Do a Google search on "Rashid Rida freemason".

 

[Scimitar]

Apparently he spent some time in an asylum.

Yes, this was in the article posted as an OP in WUP-FORUM when it was still alive.

Scimi

 

[greenhill]

I believe in it though it is I believe, more complex and deeper than we we care to admit.

Why?

Because Syaitan made the vow to lead us astray. That is right at the beginning. He therefore must have his human 'doers'.

A vow to lead us astray (except for those few as Allah has Said) means anything goes and there are no rules of engagement. So syaitan has kept up his vow. With every prophet, he set about an adversary.

Because Allah's laws have always been to bear patience, the ones showing no patience gets his way.

As such it would quickly become apparent how a strategy could be worked out to counter the messages as it came and implement a system that would be hard to breakdown.

Secularism. As Allah perfected the deen for us, the adversary was also ready to be put in place...

And they conspire to lead us astray.. it is no theory.. and these events are not coincidental.. so perhaps, theory is not the right word...

eace: