Atheism is a mental illness

[Reminder]

I'm saying this because whe can't be bashing athiests all whilly-nilly.

Just like our prophet said... don't chase people away from Islam, don't make fun of non muslims.

I'm also confused at how athiests deny the existence of God, I find the idea quite perplexing. But, we should not make fun of them.

I just happen to agree Atheism is a mental illness. In my experience, it is darn near impossible to talk sense into Atheists. However, you are right... it is certainly not advisable to make fun of them just as we would not make fun of any other crazy person.

 

[jabeady]

Useful to bear in mind, but also the fact that they need to be shown that they are not free, that powerful social conditioning via media designed by psychological conditioning experts and that news stories being designed by veteran ex-advertising gurus are being used to make them conform to standards made up by crooks and liars, and that the need to be liked and accepted in society composed of people in similar conditions keeps them from being too "unorthodox".

After reading this, I think I now understand Muslim women who complain about all the non-Muslims who want to liberate them.

 

[kritikvernunft]

In my experience, it is darn near impossible to talk sense into Atheists.

In my impression, there is not even a need for that. They can't reproduce properly. To cut a long story short, it just won't happen. Their birth rate is abysmal. This means that there is no next generation to transmit their atheist ideas to.

They try to abuse the public school system in order to get their ideas into the heads of other people's children, but that is only one more reason of the so many already why you should never send you kids to a government-funded school. In fact, that is how atheism originally became big. Their parents weren't like that, but thanks to the public school system, the kids are.

But then again, there is no point in being religious, if you are going to send your kids to the public school system. You could as well not make any kids at all. If you trust the National State with your children, you are clearly a follower of that Satanic National State. In that case, you do agree to the misery that Satan intends to inflict onto you and your children. Since everybody agrees, and is happy with that deal, I am the last one to complain. I think that it is perfectly ok to hand over to Satan, the followers of Satan.

 

[jabeady]

In my impression, there is not even a need for that. They can't reproduce properly. To cut a long story short, it just won't happen. Their birth rate is abysmal. This means that there is no next generation to transmit their atheist ideas to.

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[Aaqib]

I just happen to agree Atheism is a mental illness. In my experience, it is darn near impossible to talk sense into Atheists. However, you are right... it is certainly not advisable to make fun of them just as we would not make fun of any other crazy person.

If athiesm was a mental illness, then athiests wouldn't be punished...
Some people need to stop calling people mentally illed knowing those certain people don't understand the logic behind it.

 

[Aaqib]

In my impression, there is not even a need for that. They can't reproduce properly. To cut a long story short, it just won't happen. Their birth rate is abysmal. This means that there is no next generation to transmit their atheist ideas to.

What are you on about? ^o)^o)^o)

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

After reading this, I think I now understand Muslim women who complain about all the non-Muslims who want to liberate them.

It's actually more simple than that. For example, take this thread as an example. If someone here or elsewhere tells you you're an atheist because you're mentally ill or your atheism means you're mentally deficient, I think you'd want to pull your hair off at the roots out of frustration because you know what people are doing is projecting their own acquired ridiculous biases onto you. Do you like or even accept people telling you you don't know your own mind? Nope.

In that same way, I as a Muslim woman 100% know my mind and feel frustrated when I am told that I don't know my mind and am "not liberated." I mean, come on! I am a product of Western culture. I was raised in a secularized household. I went to the best law school in my state, and yes, one of the top 50 in all of the United States, and was one of the best students graduating with distinction in my high school from a magnet program and graduated a private liberal arts college with magna cum laude. I have been a liberal in political orientation my entire life. Also, I have been a staunch feminist almost my entire life. I can honestly wasn't socially conditioned or even psychologically conditioned to believe that I have to do anything, believe anything, nor was I indoctrinated into a religion.

My journey to Islam happened not because I was looking for a religion but because despite my atheism, I had a love affair with history and anthropology and communication, and therefore loved researching religions in my own time and never thought I'd ever adopt a religion. However, despite what I had thought or believed about myself, I found Islam very beautiful and was very, very, very attracted to the beautiful spirit therein, and I slowly but surely could not deny my attraction. Eventually, the matter was simply that my heart changed and my mind changed, and therefore I no longer remained an atheist.

Any person telling me I don't know my mind is in my mind akin to trying to pat me on the head with the "poor you" tone which I find frankly find frustrating and condescending to the point of where I don't know whether to laugh or cry. How can I be more liberated than I am as an American woman who just happened to make the well-informed choice to become Muslim because I just happened to fall in love with Islam? This myth, stereotype, and hare-brained view that I need liberating as a Muslim woman needs to die, like seriously. I know my mind.

 

[kritikvernunft]

What are you on about? ^o)^o)^o)

There is obviously some pattern to the imploding birth rate in the West. There is certainly some logic in that madness, and it is called: atheism. Depending on which rules exactly that you reject and liberally break in Divine Law, you will eventually start failing to reproduce from generation to generation. The ultimate reason why Divine Law mentions forbidden types of behaviour, is because they will ultimately affect your or your children's capacity to reproduce.

For example, you would think that since a prostitute has a lot of sex, she would reproduce profusely. No, and it is not even the result of using contraceptives. Even without the use of contraceptives, a prostitute will not reproduce profusely. She will rather quickly become infected with all kinds of ailments which will prevent her to conceive. Prostitutes become essentially infertile. Even women -- not even professional prostitutes -- who liberally have sex with a sufficiently long series of boyfriends will also tend to have difficulties to conceive. They also get much more trouble when giving birth. Nowadays, the doctors will often be able to intervene, but in older times, they would often just die during child birth.

It is relatively easy for a woman to technically destroy her reproductive capacity.

Then, you also have the social issues. As soon as a woman makes a child with one man, it becomes exponentially harder to get another man to commit to her. So, combining reproduction with "switching boyfriends" does not work that well. Since they have trouble to stay long enough with one boyfriend to make more than one child, this behaviour also badly depresses the birth rate.

We can go on and on and on as to why sexual behaviour in the West is dead end. You do not need to take my word for it. Just look at the collapse in the birth rate. As you know, a birth rate of less than 2.1 children per woman, automatically means that the demographic will die out. The collapse will obviously continue until it will become statistically indistinguishable from zero.

Hence, it is enough for the Muslims to just stick to the religious rules governing sexuality, in order to outbreed the shrinking demographics in the West. That is why the West focuses so much on trying to breach exactly in that realm, and to convince Muslim women to become promiscuous, because if they don't, Islam will automatically win. That is why they attacked Muslim women in Nice recently. There is no point in attacking the men or trying to convince the men. It is not necessary. All they need to do, is to subvert the women. That is why they promise to pretty much give anything to Muslim girls who agree to become promiscuous. If they succeed, they will win.

 

[Reminder]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)



It's actually more simple than that. For example, take this thread as an example. If someone here or elsewhere tells you you're an atheist because you're mentally ill or your atheism means you're mentally deficient, I think you'd want to pull your hair off at the roots out of frustration because you know what people are doing is projecting their own acquired ridiculous biases onto you. Do you like or even accept people telling you you don't know your own mind? Nope.

In that same way, I as a Muslim woman 100% know my mind and feel frustrated when I am told that I don't know my mind and am "not liberated." I mean, come on! I am a product of Western culture. I was raised in a secularized household. I went to the best law school in my state, and yes, one of the top 50 in all of the United States, and was one of the best students graduating with distinction in my high school from a magnet program and graduated a private liberal arts college with magna cum laude. I have been a liberal in political orientation my entire life. Also, I have been a staunch feminist almost my entire life. I can honestly wasn't socially conditioned or even psychologically conditioned to believe that I have to do anything, believe anything, nor was I indoctrinated into a religion.

My journey to Islam happened not because I was looking for a religion but because despite my atheism, I had a love affair with history and anthropology and communication, and therefore loved researching religions in my own time and never thought I'd ever adopt a religion. However, despite what I had thought or believed about myself, I found Islam very beautiful and was very, very, very attracted to the beautiful spirit therein, and I slowly but surely could not deny my attraction. Eventually, the matter was simply that my heart changed and my mind changed, and therefore I no longer remained an atheist.

Any person telling me I don't know my mind is in my mind akin to trying to pat me on the head with the "poor you" tone which I find frankly find frustrating and condescending to the point of where I don't know whether to laugh or cry. How can I be more liberated than I am as an American woman who just happened to make the well-informed choice to become Muslim because I just happened to fall in love with Islam? This myth, stereotype, and hare-brained view that I need liberating as a Muslim woman needs to die, like seriously. I know my mind.

On one hand you have a point.

On the other, trying to "liberate" a Muslim woman is like 2+2=5... equating Atheism with mental illness is like 2+2=4.

When I look back to when I was an atheist, can pretty much confirm it is a mental illness.

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

When I look back to when I was an atheist, can pretty much confirm it is a mental illness.

I respectfully disagree that atheism is a mental illness.

But I guess atheists are of different stripes - so, maybe you are the type of person or ex-atheist who can validly say that.

So, I'm interested in learning how you are able to confirm from your own experience that atheism is a mental illness - and plus, it might be nice to know how you reverted.

We can all learn something from one another.

Btw, welcome to Islam, brother.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Reminder]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



I respectfully disagree that atheism is a mental illness.

But I guess atheists are of different stripes - so, maybe you are the type of person or ex-atheist who can validly say that.

So, I'm interested in learning how you are able to confirm from your own experience that atheism is a mental illness - and plus, it might be nice to know how you reverted.

We can all learn something from one another.

Btw, welcome to Islam, brother.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

If disbelief in God is not a mental illness... then what is?

 

[jabeady]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)



It's actually more simple than that. For example, take this thread as an example. If someone here or elsewhere tells you you're an atheist because you're mentally ill or your atheism means you're mentally deficient, I think you'd want to pull your hair off at the roots out of frustration because you know what people are doing is projecting their own acquired ridiculous biases onto you. Do you like or even accept people telling you you don't know your own mind? Nope.

In that same way, I as a Muslim woman 100% know my mind and feel frustrated when I am told that I don't know my mind and am "not liberated." I mean, come on! I am a product of Western culture. I was raised in a secularized household. I went to the best law school in my state, and yes, one of the top 50 in all of the United States, and was one of the best students graduating with distinction in my high school from a magnet program and graduated a private liberal arts college with magna cum laude. I have been a liberal in political orientation my entire life. Also, I have been a staunch feminist almost my entire life. I can honestly wasn't socially conditioned or even psychologically conditioned to believe that I have to do anything, believe anything, nor was I indoctrinated into a religion.

My journey to Islam happened not because I was looking for a religion but because despite my atheism, I had a love affair with history and anthropology and communication, and therefore loved researching religions in my own time and never thought I'd ever adopt a religion. However, despite what I had thought or believed about myself, I found Islam very beautiful and was very, very, very attracted to the beautiful spirit therein, and I slowly but surely could not deny my attraction. Eventually, the matter was simply that my heart changed and my mind changed, and therefore I no longer remained an atheist.

Any person telling me I don't know my mind is in my mind akin to trying to pat me on the head with the "poor you" tone which I find frankly find frustrating and condescending to the point of where I don't know whether to laugh or cry. How can I be more liberated than I am as an American woman who just happened to make the well-informed choice to become Muslim because I just happened to fall in love with Islam? This myth, stereotype, and hare-brained view that I need liberating as a Muslim woman needs to die, like seriously. I know my mind.

Kinda the same for me and atheism. I grew up in a fundamentalist evangelical church, and attended a church - run high school. After I got out into the world, though, I started noticing areas where my religious education wasn't able to stand up to what I was experiencing. One thing led to another, and here I am. To be clear, it's not that I believe God does not exist, rather that I see no valid evidence that he does. The question follows, what would I consider to be valid evidence? After considering it, I honestly don't know. Perhaps God does? If so, he has not so far chosen to let me see it.

By the way, here are a couple of questions for all the folks who consider atheism to be a mental illness: If atheism truly is mental illness, and its sufferers unable to exercise proper judgment, would a merciful Allah withhold Paradise from them? Should devout Muslims mock or condemn those upon whom Allah takes pity?

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

If disbelief in God is not a mental illness... then what is?

I think atheism or disbelief is a state of perhaps being in a spiritual void.

However, I cannot see it as mental illness. Mental illness is clinically treatable, yet I don't find atheism or disbelief clinically treatable. Maybe if you explained more in detail what you mean, I'd be able to understand what you're trying to say or maybe if you shared your own experience, I can understand why you'd see it that way.

Honestly, otherwise, I'd have to keep to my original position of respectfully disagreeing with your position.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[kritikvernunft]

... equating Atheism with mental illness is like 2+2=4 ...

It is indeed a bit like saying that Aids is a behavioural disease while any viruses associated are just part of its symptoms. When you see pagan girls walking around in very small shorts, you can see a behavioural disease that will sooner or later start producing visible medical symptoms.

For women, behaviour follows dress code.

A woman will eventually always start behaving in the way she is dressed. She may initially herself believe that there are no consequences attached to dressing like that. The problem is that the serious guys stay away from her. She only gets attention from men who are only looking for cheap fun. It may take years before she has settled into the habit of becoming the cheap fun of a male audience looking only for that, but it is unstoppable. Once she accumulates that kind of bad history, all kinds of consequences will kick in. It will become harder and harder to abandon that lifestyle.

Furthermore, as with all Satanic behaviour, there are rewards attached to convincing other girls to adopt the same lifestyle. For as long as she can attract new blood and subverts new people into bad ways, she will do well. At some point, however, she will have no longer have any use to Satan. That is when Satan will turn on her. He will eat her flesh and blood, and then capture her soul too.

Followers of Satan must keep converting other people, or else perish. They have no choice. If they do not bring new human sacrifice to Satan, it is them than Satan will eat. There is only one defense against that. You have to tell them:

But it is perfectly ok for me that Satan eats you alive, because that is his God-given right. You are his follower. So, now you will also become his meal.

 

[Reminder]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



I think atheism or disbelief is a state of perhaps being in a spiritual void.

However, I cannot see it as mental illness. Mental illness is clinically treatable, yet I don't find atheism or disbelief clinically treatable. Maybe if you explained more in detail what you mean, I'd be able to understand what you're trying to say or maybe if you shared your own experience, I can understand why you'd see it that way.

Honestly, otherwise, I'd have to keep to my original position of respectfully disagreeing with your position.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

You may be right about it being a spiritual void. I don't know. In any case, Allah (SWT) knows best.

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

Well, see, the way I see it is that we're all journeying to God. Everyone has a different journey, a different experience, a different life.

Now, the thing is that I don't know what you would consider a valid experience and it's not for me to say. I think it's different for everybody.

I just hope the best for everybody, including atheists, because I just happened to once be one. That doesn't mean that I ever want to dictate to anyone what they should know/do/believe because that choice comes under the umbrella of free will, which we've been all been given as a divine gift.

Personally, I find this YouTube video nice and it's one from an ex-atheist and top American surgeon if you want to listen to him share his own experience of how he and why he decided to embrace Islam; it's just one perspective, not conclusive evidence of anything, but one that will make you think about what you know and don't know.

Editing to insert video:

Kinda the same for me and atheism. I grew up in a fundamentalist evangelical church, and attended a church - run high school. After I got out into the world, though, I started noticing areas where my religious education wasn't able to stand up to what I was experiencing. One thing led to another, and here I am. To be clear, it's not that I believe God does not exist, rather that I see no valid evidence that he does. The question follows, what would I consider to be valid evidence? After considering it, I honestly don't know. Perhaps God does? If so, he has not so far chosen to let me see it.

By the way, here are a couple of questions for all the folks who consider atheism to be a mental illness: If atheism truly is mental illness, and its sufferers unable to exercise proper judgment, would a merciful Allah withhold Paradise from them? Should devout Muslims mock or condemn those upon whom Allah takes pity?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you jabeady;

To be clear, it's not that I believe God does not exist, rather that I see no valid evidence that he does.

It sounds as if you might be more agnostic, rather than an atheist.

The question follows, what would I consider to be valid evidence? After considering it, I honestly don't know. Perhaps God does? If so, he has not so far chosen to let me see it.

When I was around eighteen, I left the church for about thirty years. For an eighteen year old, the church teaching is full of good and evil, and the real world is full of temptation, so like the Prodigal Son, I ignored the church teachings, and went off to sample the temptations of the world. But there did come a time in my life, when I started to search for a deeper meaning, but it did mean that I would have to try and change myself first.

By the way, here are a couple of questions for all the folks who consider atheism to be a mental illness: If atheism truly is mental illness, and its sufferers unable to exercise proper judgment, would a merciful Allah withhold Paradise from them? Should devout Muslims mock or condemn those upon whom Allah takes pity?

It has been said that a theologian is someone who has an opinion concerning the nature of God. But it has also been said, that a theologian reveals more about their own nature, rather than they do about the nature of God. Ask a hundred theologians your questions, and you will have an understanding of what is in their own hearts.

In the spirit of searching for God.

Eric

 

[Abz2000]

فَقَالُوا أَبَشَرًا مِّنَّا وَاحِدًا نَّتَّبِعُهُ إِنَّا إِذًا لَّفِي ضَلَالٍ وَسُعُرٍ {

24*054:024*Khan:

For they said: "A man! Alone from among us, that we are to follow? Truly, then we should be in error and distress or madness!"

054:024*Yusufali:

For they said: "What! a man! a Solitary one from among ourselves! shall we follow such a one? Truly should we then be straying in mind, and mad!


كَذَلِكَ مَا أَتَى الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِم مِّن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا قَالُوا سَاحِرٌ أَوْ مَجْنُونٌ {52*

Consistently, when a messenger went to the previous generations, they said, "Magician," or, "Crazy."

أَتَوَاصَوْا بِهِ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ طَاغُونَ {53*
Have they handed down (the saying) as an heirloom one unto another? Nay, but they are a people transgressing beyond bounds.



*إِنَّ الْمُجْرِمِينَ فِي ضَلَالٍ وَسُعُرٍ {47*
Chapter (54:47) sūrat al-qamar (The Moon)

Sahih International:
Indeed, the criminals are in error and madness.

Pickthall:
Lo! the guilty are in error and madness.

Yusuf Ali:
Truly those in sin are the ones straying in mind, and mad.

Shakir:
Surely the guilty are in error and distress.Muhammad Sarwar: The sinful ones will face the destructive torment of hell

Mohsin Khan:
Verily, the Mujrimun (polytheists, disbelievers, sinners, criminals, etc.) are in error (in this world) and will burn (in the Hell-fire in the Hereafter).

Arberry: Surely the sinners are in error and insanity!

 

[Serinity]

atheism is not any more a mental illness than theism.

Are you serious? this is so false. By that logic, all the Prophets :as: are mentally ill? No they are not.

you are wrong. Anything that isn't Islamic Monotheism is false. Truth brings clarity, light, and cure while falsehood brings darkness and illness. (spiritually) Nuff' said.

I presume that anyone fed with falsehood, for a prolonged period will fall numb, and it will harden the heart, and perhaps even bring spiritual illness. Which brings darkness, which brings blindness, and which may turn into a mental illness. I'd sa

I do want to know the connection between mental illness and atheism. But I can see it becoming a pscyhological illness. Which may become a mental one.

I see them more as spiritually trapped.. Be there for long, and the heart gets numb to the disease. But lets not make the atheists lose hope in Islam.

thinking about it, I do think atheism, and any other falsehood brings mental illness. Any and every falsehood brings disease. but I don't think it is right to ridicule them for that.

may Allah :swt: guide them. Ameen.

but there IS a cure to every illness. The cure for spiritual and mental illness is the Qur'an. It can cure all disease afaik, but we do not have the level of Imaan to do that.

Allahu alam.

 

[kritikvernunft]

I respectfully disagree that atheism is a mental illness.

It can certainly degenerate into one. Imagine that atheism leads you to rejecting Divine Law and gives you the idea that promiscuous sex would be ok, and that this behaviour then degenerates into severe sexual diseases. At that point, there would certainly be a clearly-established relationship between having syphilis and atheism, I would think. The question then becomes whether atheism will always lead to physical -or mental diseases? Will atheism always snowball into a set of mental and/or bodily defects? Possibly. However, confirming or infirming this, would require access to the medical theory of everything. Hence, it cannot be tested scientifically. Hence, it has the status of a belief, that is untestable, but sounds quite plausible. You can believe it, but you clearly don't have to.