You could be anti-semitic if you think Israel is racist, government says

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

I think this is what the world should look like..........

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In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth.

Eric

 

[Karl]

I personally believe that their original plan, "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people", was fraught with very serious issues from the get-go. As expected, their plan has managed to create endless misery for the Palestinians, and as expected, their plan has managed to create endless misery for the Jews living in Germany.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

That is indeed what the Germans argued. Now, given the original plan, I can certainly understand why they believed this.

Claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Well, the State of Israel did expel the Palestinians from their homes in 1948, and still prevents them to come back today. If the Palestinians wish to return to their ancestral homeland, I do not see why we would be opposed to that plan. Doesn't that sound very similar to what the Jews themselves did? If the Palestinians maintain the belief that they will return, it is obvious that one day they will. Hence, it is just a question of staunchly disbelieving anybody who says that they won't. These things always revolve around what you believe and what you do not believe. Just don't believe the adversary. That is all it takes to succeed. Of course, you will also need to be patient, but that is exactly where the true belief comes in. If you do not truly believe, you will become impatient. You will start doubting. From there, you will fail. Impatience is the proof that you do not really believe. So, just do not listen to the adversary. Do not believe him. Stubbornly stick to your own beliefs. All you need to do, is to out-believe him.

True, and you can only truly conquer a people by killing all of them and both sides cannot do that.

 

[kritikvernunft]

True, and you can only truly conquer a people by killing all of them and both sides cannot do that.

That risk only exists if that outcome is the result of victory/defeat in battle. It does not exist, if it is the result of negotiations. A negotiated deal would obviously be better.

Still, the State of Israel are indeed taking the serious risk that the relative strength in combat changes in the future. In fact, it has already changed.

They can reasonably expect the other side to defeat them in urban combat. Since the Americans could not deal with that in Iraq, there is no reason to believe that the State of Israel could. If the other side manages to overrun the borders, and turn the war into an urban combat contest, the State of Israel will have an impossible time to defeat them without annihilating their own civilian population.

As you know, you should not count on the younger generations in Israel for their willingness to risk their lives and die, while that is exactly what you would need in urban combat, where heavy equipment and other armour are useless. Urban combat has clearly become a willpower contest. That obviously plays straight into the Palestinians' cards.

The Palestinian cause is powered by the strong, unwavering belief that they will return. You cannot prevent them from maneuvering until the situation becomes one of combat with equal weapons, where their greater willpower will become the decisive factor. It is just a question of time before that outcome will inevitably materialize. Therefore, I believe that it is in the best interest of the State of Israel to negotiate a real deal, and prevent the otherwise inevitable from materializing.

 

[fschmidt]

Reacting to the government guidance Massoud Shadjareh of the Islamic Human Rights Commission said the definition was absurd and even racist in itself.

He said: “They are conflating Judaism and Israel which many Jews themselves would disagree with. The fact is that many Jews consider Israel a racist state so does that make them anti-semitic?

Exactly. I am jewish and think Israel is a racist state.

The Jews ...

But this is racist. Saying "the jews do whatever" is racist because jews are a race. Race is meaningless, it is religion and culture that matter.

What this thread shows is that the liberal West (a culture) is insane.

 

[Serinity]

The Jews spread the philosophy of Marxism and internationalism and miscegenation to others. But they are the most tenacious of nationalists and tribalists and I admire them for that. Even though they play very dirty, winning is all that counts. Of course the Chinese are very strong in this too. I am just disgusted that my people are falling for all this Jewish propaganda. This notion of "kum bye ya we are all international citizens" is a con job to weaken peoples for conquest. Peace on Earth is just total oppression.

Idk much, but is it wrong for to assume that the mentality they have is "The winner becomes 'justice', so as long as we win, we will do whatever we want"????

Nationalism is a kafir-invention, because Islam condemns nationalism/fighting for nationalism. It is ok to like one's culture as long as it doesn't go against Islam. And as long as one does not love it more than Islam. Cuz what Allah gave us, is superior to whatever we invent of culture.

What is happening in the Middle east (I think) is that the nationalism is what is killing us Muslims. Allahu alam.

And the mentality of "nationalism" "Internationalism", I think weakens one's resolve.

I am pretty sure if we all united purely and solely on Tawheed and the Shahadah, and went back to the Qur'an, and took everything from there. That our resolve would be unshakable, in shaa' Allah.

 

[kritikvernunft]

Idk much, but is it wrong for to assume that the mentality they have is "The winner becomes 'justice', so as long as we win, we will do whatever we want"???? Nationalism is a kafir-invention, because Islam condemns nationalism/fighting for nationalism. It is ok to like one's culture as long as it doesn't go against Islam. And as long as one does not love it more than Islam. Cuz what Allah gave us, is superior to whatever we invent of culture. What is happening in the Middle east (I think) is that the nationalism is what is killing us Muslims. Allahu alam. And the mentality of "nationalism" "Internationalism", I think weakens one's resolve.I am pretty sure if we all united purely and solely on Tawheed and the Shahadah, and went back to the Qur'an, and took everything from there. That our resolve would be unshakable, in shaa' Allah.

That is where Immanuel Kant's Kritik der praktischen Vernunft really shines. There is indeed no point in trying to establish outcome-based morality, because all second-guessing is bound to fail in absence of a Theory of Everything, which we do not have, and which we will never have. Hence, the only thing that we can do, is to obey the categorical imperatives as mandated by the religion's revelation and believe/hope that it will naturally lead to the correct outcome.

So, yes, I agree that nationalism and internationalism are just exercises in vanity.

In that sense, we can say that true faith is the belief that it is sufficient to obey to Divine Law for the optimal outcome to materialize automatically.

 

[Karl]

Idk much, but is it wrong for to assume that the mentality they have is "The winner becomes 'justice', so as long as we win, we will do whatever we want"????

Nationalism is a kafir-invention, because Islam condemns nationalism/fighting for nationalism. It is ok to like one's culture as long as it doesn't go against Islam. And as long as one does not love it more than Islam. Cuz what Allah gave us, is superior to whatever we invent of culture.

What is happening in the Middle east (I think) is that the nationalism is what is killing us Muslims. Allahu alam.

And the mentality of "nationalism" "Internationalism", I think weakens one's resolve.

I am pretty sure if we all united purely and solely on Tawheed and the Shahadah, and went back to the Qur'an, and took everything from there. That our resolve would be unshakable, in shaa' Allah.

Isn't defending Islam a kind of nationalism. Arabs are very nationalistic and proud so what's wrong with that? If you lose nationalism you lose your identity and culture and become another clone of internationalist pop culture.

 

[Karl]

Exactly. I am jewish and think Israel is a racist state.


But this is racist. Saying "the jews do whatever" is racist because jews are a race. Race is meaningless, it is religion and culture that matter.

What this thread shows is that the liberal West (a culture) is insane.

Race is not meaningless to the rulers of Israel. If I was a certain race I would be welcome in Israel and be given a new house (from the American taxpayers) and live well but since I am "goy" unclean I would be rejected and treated like filth like the Palestinians are. The fact of the matter is that race is very important, this is because different races possess different genetic traits which effect everything from behavioural tendencies through to being prone to certain diseases. Race to a large degree actually determines culture.
Jews are many races now, the original ones were from the city of Judah. The most obnoxious are the Ashkenazi from the Khazar tribe of Eastern Europe and Central Asia. They are fairly fair skinned heavy set, big and warlike people like Gene Simons. In contrast to the Hebrews in Judah being very similar physically to the Arabs.

I agree with you about Liberal Western Culture being insane, it seems to be the opposite to all that is natural and Holy as though it is orchestrated by a demon.

 

[Karl]

Idk much, but is it wrong for to assume that the mentality they have is "The winner becomes 'justice', so as long as we win, we will do whatever we want"????

Nationalism is a kafir-invention, because Islam condemns nationalism/fighting for nationalism. It is ok to like one's culture as long as it doesn't go against Islam. And as long as one does not love it more than Islam. Cuz what Allah gave us, is superior to whatever we invent of culture.

What is happening in the Middle east (I think) is that the nationalism is what is killing us Muslims. Allahu alam.

And the mentality of "nationalism" "Internationalism", I think weakens one's resolve.

I am pretty sure if we all united purely and solely on Tawheed and the Shahadah, and went back to the Qur'an, and took everything from there. That our resolve would be unshakable, in shaa' Allah.

"Might makes right" is a universal Axiom. The victors write the history. Allah is the most powerful so He is always righteous. Hey I would really like it if the lion lay down with the lamb and everything became peace and paradise but it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Zafran]

Isn't defending Islam a kind of nationalism. Arabs are very nationalistic and proud so what's wrong with that? If you lose nationalism you lose your identity and culture and become another clone of internationalist pop culture.

Never knew Islam was a nation state..........

 

[Zafran]

"Might makes right" is a universal Axiom. The victors write the history. Allah is the most powerful so He is always righteous. Hey I would really like it if the lion lay down with the lamb and everything became peace and paradise but it hasn't happened yet.

what?? so Israel is more powerful then Palestine so might is right there???

 

[Karl]

Greetings and peace be with you all,

I think this is what the world should look like..........




In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth.

Eric

Hey there is no Cross in that picture. Did they kick out the Christians?

 

[Karl]

what?? so Israel is more powerful then Palestine so might is right there???

Politically right but morally that is a matter of opinion. Personally I don't think it is worth all this trouble and carnage for a Jewish homeland. They have the USA and Europe why do they need Israel? A strategic base I suppose. Like the British had Aden.

 

[kritikvernunft]

"Might makes right" is a universal Axiom. The victors write the history.

What they are doing, is something else. They are busy breeding superbugs. So, they throw antibiotics at the enemy, but if you don't kill the bugs, you are only making them stronger. After a while, your antibiotics no longer work, and you will effectively have bred a superbug. In Somalia, they threw helicopters at the bugs, but that stopped working very spectacularly with the Black Hawk incident. Then, they starting using armoured vehicles in Iraq and Afghanistan, until the superbugs became experts at IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices). And now, they are bombing the bugs in Syria, and I guess that it will probably still work for a while, until they have bred new superbugs there too, totally immune to fighter jets. They are seriously busy expiring that antibiotic too. You cannot use fighter jets in the way they are, because it will only end up rendering them ineffective.

The moral of the story is that you should not fight with the enemy if you have no way of also really defeating him, because in that case, you are only spending effort training the enemy against you. It is obvious that all that the State of Israel are doing in the Gaza strip, is to breed a new strand of superbugs.

 

[Zafran]

Politically right but morally that is a matter of opinion. Personally I don't think it is worth all this trouble and carnage for a Jewish homeland. They have the USA and Europe why do they need Israel? A strategic base I suppose. Like the British had Aden.

I dont think its politically or morally right because the Palestinians are losing there homeland. How is it politically right??

 

[kritikvernunft]

They have the USA and Europe why do they need Israel?

You see, if they go on breeding superbugs, they will not just lose Israel. The superbugs will also jump over to the USA and Europe. Once they have trained the superbugs into developing answers to all possible weapons that they would otherwise try to throw at them, it is going to go wrong for them. You have this dangerously adaptable strand of bugs, which behaves like gonorrhea. The war between Israel and the Palestinians, is just the same as the war of antibiotics industry against the Neisseria gonorrhoeae bug:

• Penicillins and other Beta-lactams --> dead
• Quinolones --> dead
• Cephalosporins --> dead
• Tetracyclines --> dead
• Aminoglycosides --> dead

“We’re hitting gonorrhea with a sledgehammer,” says Jeffrey Klausner, M.D., a public health infectious disease specialist at UCLA, “but we’re running out of sledgehammers.” "So what to do? We clearly need new options for treatment, but those don’t seem to be coming any time soon."

"This is both an alarming and a predictable discovery," Dr. Magnus Unemo, a researcher at the Swedish Reference Laboratory for Pathogenic Neisseria in Orebro, Sweden, said in a written statement.

Dr. William Schaffner, chair of prevention at Vanderbilt University Medical Center: "The more antibiotics we use, the more we persuade the bacteria to become resistant."

"History shows us that bacteria will find a way to outlast the antibiotics we're using to treat it," said Dr. Jonathan Mermin, who directs the CDC's National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and Tuberculosis Prevention.

"It's an emergency situation," said William Smith, executive director of the National Coalition of STD Directors. "As time moves on, it's getting more hazardous." This gonorrhea strain, HO41, was discovered in Japan two years ago. The bacteria has since been found in Hawaii, California and Norway. Since then, samples of ceftriaxone-resistant gonorrhea have been detected in France and Spain, too, reports the CDC.

"This is a disaster just waiting to happen," Christianson said. "It's time to do something about it before it explodes. "These superbugs, including the gonorrhea strain, are a health threat. We need to move now before it gets out of hand." “This is clearly a superbug,” says Peter Leone, M.D., an infectious disease specialist and professor of medicine at the University of North Carolina.

 

[kritikvernunft]

I dont think its politically or morally right because the Palestinians are losing there homeland. How is it politically right??

Say that person A has sex with B who has sex with C and so on. We declare the following relations in the model:

sex(A,B)
sex(B,C)
sex(C,D)
...

From there, we can define a function pathway(A,X) which returns true, if there is a sexual pathway between A and X over B, C, D, E, and so on. Say, that we have a function lengthOfPathway(A,X) that counts the number of persons in the pathway. So, in the example above, lengthOfPathway(A,D) is 4.

There seems to be an invariant in the blueprint of the human race that mandates that all sexual pathways longer than, say 2.5, will be attacked, usually by bugs. Say that a person's longest sexual pathway is 50. Since 50 is substantially larger than 2.5, the invariant will start attacking this person with ever-stronger bugs and other tools, knock him out, render him infertile, or destroy otherwise him and his offspring. No matter what strategy the individual in a long pathway tries to execute -- using antibiotics or other tools -- he will invariably still end up running into a stronger adversary that will manage to knock him out. Using condoms is just an open invitation to the bugs to find ways to defeat the use of condoms.

In that sense, Islam is just a tool being used by this natural invariant to restore itself. There is little difference between the rôle of the Neisseria gonorrhoeae bug and the rôle of the Palestinians. Both are just being used by the natural invariant to knock out people who fail to respect it. The maximum length of sexual pathway is obviously not the only invariant that people in the State of Israel refuse to respect. There are many other ones.

You see, atheist as they are, these people refuse to recognize the natural invariants and prefer to invent their own ones. That is why I wonder why the Palestinians are so impatient? They will most likely not even have to knock out the State of Israel by themselves. To an important extent, they could just let the Neisseria gonorrhoeae bug and his friends handle the problem, and mostly wait until the bug is done, no? There are so many things that will attack these atheists, that the Palestinians will end up being the least of their problems ...

 

[fschmidt]

Race is not meaningless to the rulers of Israel. If I was a certain race I would be welcome in Israel and be given a new house (from the American taxpayers) and live well but since I am "goy" unclean I would be rejected and treated like filth like the Palestinians are. The fact of the matter is that race is very important, this is because different races possess different genetic traits which effect everything from behavioural tendencies through to being prone to certain diseases. Race to a large degree actually determines culture.
Jews are many races now, the original ones were from the city of Judah. The most obnoxious are the Ashkenazi from the Khazar tribe of Eastern Europe and Central Asia. They are fairly fair skinned heavy set, big and warlike people like Gene Simons. In contrast to the Hebrews in Judah being very similar physically to the Arabs.

I agree with you about Liberal Western Culture being insane, it seems to be the opposite to all that is natural and Holy as though it is orchestrated by a demon.

I am Ashkenazi with parents from Eastern Europe. Does that make me obnoxious?

I disagree that race largely determines culture. One obvious example is the Arabs whose culture wasn't so great at the time that Muhammad was born. Yet Muhammad was able to transform Arab culture into a great culture. This would not have been possible if culture was mostly determined by race. But it isn't, culture is mostly determined by religion, not race.

The problem with most jews today isn't race, it is religion. Judaism has become a twisted religion. Just study the Talmud for yourself and you will see this. This is the source of the racism of Israel. The Torah directly prohibits this kind of behavior (Leviticus 19:33-34, Exodus 22:21) but Judaism today follows the Talmud, not the Torah.

 

[Karl]

I dont think its politically or morally right because the Palestinians are losing there homeland. How is it politically right??

They have the money to buy lot's of "friends" to support them. Also they set up the United Nations to legitimize the State of Israel and to push Zionist agendas around the world.

 

[Karl]

I am Ashkenazi with parents from Eastern Europe. Does that make me obnoxious?

I disagree that race largely determines culture. One obvious example is the Arabs whose culture wasn't so great at the time that Muhammad was born. Yet Muhammad was able to transform Arab culture into a great culture. This would not have been possible if culture was mostly determined by race. But it isn't, culture is mostly determined by religion, not race.

The problem with most jews today isn't race, it is religion. Judaism has become a twisted religion. Just study the Talmud for yourself and you will see this. This is the source of the racism of Israel. The Torah directly prohibits this kind of behavior (Leviticus 19:33-34, Exodus 22:21) but Judaism today follows the Talmud, not the Torah.

You obnoxious? Probably but hey us Westerners are pretty obnoxious too. I can't play the moral high ground as I live on an Island where the natives were conquered by the British Empire.

I don't believe the Arabs became radically different under Islam. Let's say Allah turned all the Arabs into a race of sheep what would be their culture then? They would just wander about and eat grass and baaa. So race must determine the culture.

Hmm the Judaism supremacy believing God is on their side in conquering and killing and taking land in the name of their one true God. This is not an original concept either, I suppose it was used mainly by polytheists in ancient times though.

Also there are many atheists that say they don't care about culture or religion yet they will react strongly against various beliefs of others. They have their rigid dogmas and bigotry and do not tolerate others that do not conform to their ideologies even when those others live in distant lands and do not affect the atheists in any way. So one can only conclude that their behaviour is genetically based.