You are one of those unilingual ones..................... revision my friend.
God bless,
Scimi
Oh dear Scimi, you are not serious, are you sure you want to go down this road?
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among your brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. - dwa2day version 18:18
This is a fabrication by yourself to suit your argument and was not quoted by me. Shame on you and the disgrace it brings to Islam.
I know who Isaiah was, pbuh... I studied Judaism for many years and still do.
Look Doug, it' simple - if Isaiah (who was an Israelite) was telling the Israelites that a prophet will come from the Israelites - he would have said "from among YOUR brethren" and not "THEIR brethren... this is so simple - any child can understand.
Scimi
With respect this does not say much about your level of education. Claiming Isaiah said or wrote the above quote which comes from Deuteronomy is about 700year before Isaiah was born. Wow I understood that Moses wrote Deuteronomy, in addition Moses is quoted in the Quran more any other prophet, one would have expected you to known this.
Abraham pbuh had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac - the covenant was established before Isaac was born and a sign of the covenant was the "circumcision". Ishmael was the first to have the circumcision, and yet God had ordained for Ishmael to not live in Salem but to travel to Paran to the valley of Bakkah (Meccah) - why so?
Well the answer to this is also in the OT - God told Abraham pbuh that HE will multiply Abrahams seed and forge from his loins - GREAT NATIONS... by right and by paternal inclusion - the brethren alluded to in Deuteronomy are Ishmael... not Isaac - and the reason is as follows.
Scimi
What utter nonsense. The covenant of circumcision has nothing to do with who is first or last let alone Deuteronomy 18:18. God said nothing remotely near to forging anyone loins. Allah or the Quran yes. But the God of Genesis 15 most defiantly did not.
However I do agree Abrahams seed would produce a great nation and yes that off spring follows both Ishmael and Isaac blood lines. But again there is no link to Deuteronomy 18:18
The Israelites were notoriously known to kill, shame and exile their prophets and messengers of God - they even attempted to kill Jesus pbuh and that was the last straw which broke the camels back so to speak.
Scimi
Sad to say you are right, and many people of many faith has done horrendous acts in the name of faith, to me it only highlight how bad we are as humans, but nothing to do with proving your argument that Muhammad is referenced in Jewish text.
God said HE will establish HIS covenant with the Israelites "forever" - this means that God will hold up his end of the "contract" and will not break it without due reason …… the last chance the Israelites had was when Jesus pbuh arrived back in Jerusalem after his missing years... and well, we know how that ends... Covenant broke...
Scimi
Scimi you discussing Moses writing here, although I do not agree that God of the Bible is the same God you refer to as Allah I am pretty sure you do. To infer that God / Allah will break a covenant, contract or promises or whatever word you chose is downright wrong and evil. I do not care how wrong or bad one is to break a covenant for any reason is a sin no question about it. If this is the nature of Allah wow…. Frankly you got me I am speechless.
Let's focus once again on the Deut 18:18
I will raise up for them a prophet like
you from among
their brethren. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. - Deut 18:18
I'm gonna have to go real slow here aren't i?
Scimi
Let also get the full context here and read further. I also use the NKJV as you have above to avoid further problems.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And it shall be
that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require
it of him.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’
I am sure we will agree Muhammad has died. Islamic text also show that Jesus Christ did not die but was taken directly to heaven (Sura 5… I think please correct me if I am wrong here) Now we also know that the Quran is not corrupt and is true all else is false. Therefore Duet 18:18 can only refer to Jesus Christ.
Isaiah - also said the following:
And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.” - Isaiah 29-12
Scimi
(sure this is Isaiah not Moses – light harted joke intended here)
Come Scimi you’re a scholar and we know your quote is not in the context of the passage.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The whole vision has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed, which
men deliver to one who is literate, saying, “Read this, please.”
And he says, “I cannot, for it
is sealed.”
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, “Read this, please.”
And he says, “I am not literate.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord said:
“In asmuch as these people draw near with their mouths
And honor Me with their lips,
But have removed their hearts far from Me,
And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,
Its all about the condition of your heart when worshiping God, nothing to do with Muhammad ability to read.
In closing I read earlier today in this forum something that rung very true. Something like this, there is no point in me trying to prove the crucifixion of Christ by using the Quran, I will fall short. If Islam is a rich faith let is work speak for its self.
Regards
Doug
