Why do you have to be religious if you're muslim? But not if you're christian?

[AnnaK]

Between the Quran and Hadiths, it literally dictates everything that we should do, everything that is a crime, and really holds everything that anyone could ever really need. More Muslims are more religious because Islam is made to not only act as a religion, but also to dictate laws, and how to live. Some of the obvious requirements of Islam are 5 daily prayers, fasting for an entire month, and giving to charity, so just by the start it is a very hands on religion that really requires a lot of work.

While I can see some people not following the rules as strictly as they should, I think that simply believing isn't enough for the faith of Islam. The Quran, how many dozens of times mandates daily prayer? Not being a very religious Muslim, in my opinion from my interpretation of the Scripture, isn't really being Muslim at all. It's essentially a requirement of the religion to be religious.

Compare it to Christianity per say, where their holy book only mandates that they believe in Jesus as the son of God to get to heaven. While there are rules for Christianity for sure, the entire structure is more lax. There are things Christians can't do, but there aren't really things that Christians are mandated to do. I was born and raised Christian (Muslim now), but while I was given restrictions, I never had any requirements dictated to me from the Bible. In the Quran though, it essentially mandates you to be religious. That's the key thing in my opinion. Our Scripture specifically mandates us to do things, which makes us more religious and not "lax" as other religions.

 

[aaj]

I see it a tad different I think monotheists like Christians and jews are the same as if they are good too they get the same rewards.

"..This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion..."[5:3]

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [3:85]

I'm sorry you didn't list what you're quoting came from. I don't know the names in Arabic only only English.

How can you not tell what i'm Quoting from?

Even for English only speakers, a Muslim would know i'm quoting the Quran just from the quotes alone let alone the reference given after each one.

The listed below are Quran's chapter names followerd by numerial reference.

[al-Mu’minoon 23:115, 116]
[al-Anbiya’ 21:16]
[al-Hijr 15:3]
[al-Mulk 67:2]

actually my mom taught me islam and read the quran regularly that's how I was born muslim

Everyone is born Muslim. How they are raised is how their religion changes. It seems you are lacking Islamic knowledge based on what you have said. Sister rssun joy has good advice worth listening to inshallah.

 

[ma23]

No the thing is realistically Christians think who they worship as narcissistic. That only those who go to heaven are those who worship him. And that sins don't matter whether they were good or bad doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is worshipping and acknowledging the false way they worship. Muslims believe as the Quran has taught that whoever does good and believes in GOD and the last day to make it to heaven. That includes any monotheist who does right. Because GOD comprehends everyone's situation and is ALL-KNOWING and THE MOST MERCIFUL. That's a bit of why Christians can fool themselves into committing all sorts of sin. But they know better as well. And I agree to make it to heaven you've got to be a good person. But it also says in the Quran you can be muslim and go to hell. Like any other faith. So there are good and bad muslims. That's why I don't see how muslims socially are seen as strict muslims only.

Many Christians falsely believe that Jesus is equal/the same as God and they believe that because he is so forgiving he will forgive any sin as long as they are sorry for it. Many don't even feel guilty enough to stop sinning. As to the second part of your question people (I assume you talk about other muslims) expect muslims to be religious because where you are on the planet should have no effect on your imam or behavior as a pious muslim. Just because other people take their faith less seriously doesn't give us an excuse to. Islam is the path to guide us away from those false religions and ways of life. I don't mean to sound harsh or judgmental when I say this but being Muslim requires more than just being born from people who are muslim. You actually have to practice your faith. Not just when it is convenient or easy for you. Your mother seems to have a flawed perception of Islam because of what she witnessed as a child. I say this because she has a stance against marriage which actually completes half of our deen and is something that Allah has made lawful. You should start going back to the masjid and studying your religion and praying too. Just know that being muslim requires sacrifice. Everyday is a test but remember that Allah is always merciful.

 

[Born_Believer]

Yeah I don't do any of that I don't drink or anything of that. I just am not very cultural. I'm actually always told I'm the good girl type. I have one thing I want to do nothing to do with religion that would complete it. But anyway I was just saying on the cultural end and praying and fasting I don't do. And I don't go to the mosque because I haven't found one that I'd actually fit in well. Drinking I can't do anyway because my dad was a drunjk and my mom's outer family grandfathers aunt uncles etc... great grandma big mama lady were all drunks. And my dad's side too. I bought a dip once from Walmart when I was 18 and it had alcohol in it I didn't know until it was too late and I was scared. So I mean I don't come close. And smoking would ruin my life. So I don't do any of that. My mom and her parents live sober lives. I just was saying I'm not very religious. Like people don't know I'm muslim. I don't dress in attire that seems foreign to me. I don't speak any languages besides English and French fairly as that's my heritage. I don't go to mosque also because the last one I went to was putting women in the dark and saying my mom had to wear certain attire because she's muslim. I don't pray because I don't find the time and fasting I don't do because of schedule problems. But I don't drink don't do drugs don't really break any rules or commit sins. I even do give sometimes. It's hard to in vegas but like I give more like with stuff. I'm not like my mom getting scammed by the nearest drug addict or anything. But yeah I follow the Quran just don't find the time to pray. And I don't see the other cultural stuff people do as having to do with religion basically. To me religion is separate from culture. Just like race is.

I hope you didn't take my post the wrong way. I'm not saying you drink or smoke, I was simply stating Muslim practices.

It's great that you don't do those things but to say you don't commit sins yet admit you don't pray or fast, I think you're confused as to what constitutes a sin. Not praying and not fasting the compulsory fasts are sins. You're only excuse for doing so would be limited to serious ill health, pregnancy and a handful of other restrictions.

Like the Prophet PBUH said, "What separates between faith and disbelief is prayer."

So, from one Muslim to another, I would highly recommend that you pray. It is of no benefit to Allah or to anyone else but yourself. The fact that you can stay away from alcohol and drugs and smoking in a place like Vegas goes to show you have a strong will anyway, so why not put that will towards praying and fasting?

With regards to going to a mosque, it is not compulsory for a woman to do so, meaning you have nothing to worry about there, although if you do go, you will obviously have to dress appropriately. Every aspect of life has a dress code, would you go to a job interview wearing a pokemon t-shirt and shorts? (Unless you're applying to work at FB or something lol)

In terms of cultural practices, it would depend entirely on which aspects of which culture(s) you are talking about.

Anyway, with regards to your overall thread, like I said, go and read up on other religions and you will find that Islam is not as strict.

 

[ma23]

You really need to research Islam because you are mistaken on a lot of things. Abaya and Hijab is not part of another person's culture it is a part of every muslim woman's culture no matter what country she is from. Islam does not require you to give up a part of your heritage or culture unless it goes against islam. If that is the case you should flee from it because on the day of judgement you will be held responsible. I am a revert sister from America and I wear abaya or skirt everyday because that is part of hijab. Since you are a woman you do not have to pray at the masjid it is just an option. You can pray at your own or at a friends but if you are in the masjid you must follow the imam. And you are actually required to pray 5 times a day not 3. I am going to pray for you because I think someone has given you false information. I also want you to check out websites for new muslims it could clear up a lot of your confusion.

If the abaya was not apart o a specific culture why is it not in English? It never says in the Quran that you have to cover your head. And it never says you have to wear an abaya. You have to dress modestly. That's what it teaches. Andmy mother always said I couldn't wear shorts and tanks. And I personally don't like t wear shorts or anything revealing to me legs etc... Dressing modestly can pertain to western attire as well. Which is what I feel too uncomfortable about because so many muslims act like you're supposed to wear such attire But I don't think GOD teaches us to embrace a culture or custom but to embrace a path o heaven.

I follow only the Qran so that's why we may have differences. It doesn't say in the quran men have to go to the mosque or that women don't. That's what people say. I don't follow people that's why I'm muslim. Because the Quran is the only scripture that is completely from GOD.


And prayer I think it's good to do 5 prayers a day. But I believe 3 or 4 from what I've read were mentioned in the quran. I'll ask my mom though if she foundthe 5th one. I also think it's good to do the watches of the night. I like the Quran and I'll question the source of any other scripture that's not the Quran.

 

[ma23]

Well, in all practical terms, practicing more strictly means rejecting man-made law more decisively.
The more the believer rejects other sources of law than the only legitimate one, the more he proves his true belief.

Well yeah to e all laws and authority goes back to the quran. I don't doubt if you don't follow the quran if you're muslim you'll make it anywhere but hell. I'm just saying I don't get why a muslim can't be relaxed and still be muslim. It says muslims will go to hell.

 

[ma23]

Um I think this is where I split with some muslims. I don't accept the hadith with the same esteem as the quran. From what I've heard about the hadith some of it sounded more tradition that religious binding. I actually did a dna test. On ancestrydna almost none of my heritage is from the middle east recently to the point that t wasn't even in th trace regions. It's majorly from Nigeria cote d'ivoire mali for Europe French Ireland and sweden. And gedmatch which goes more to actual tribe had much to do with the tuareg hausa and shuwa. I have heritage with people with islam as the faith but no cultural ties. Most of my family originated from northern africa. Therefore I don't really have an interest in learning about that culture. It has nothing to do with me. Or any origin I might have and any heritage I do have which would be below 1% would be more to do with my african heritage altogether. I don't have any interest in learning the culture. I just want t someday be good and follow the Quran completely. My mother doesn't follow the hadith and the only reason my grandma does is because she follows her mosque. Some of what I've heard the hadith say is always in contradicts with the quran. And anything against the quran I think is basically wrong. It also says in the quran not to follow any scripture after the quran.


Well are you talking about the hadith scripture? Because I don't know. But the Quran specifically says there are bad muslims who will go to hell. So that's what I believe.

I think Christians don't really believe it's not mandatory they just lie to themselves basically.

Between the Quran and Hadiths, it literally dictates everything that we should do, everything that is a crime, and really holds everything that anyone could ever really need. More Muslims are more religious because Islam is made to not only act as a religion, but also to dictate laws, and how to live. Some of the obvious requirements of Islam are 5 daily prayers, fasting for an entire month, and giving to charity, so just by the start it is a very hands on religion that really requires a lot of work.

While I can see some people not following the rules as strictly as they should, I think that simply believing isn't enough for the faith of Islam. The Quran, how many dozens of times mandates daily prayer? Not being a very religious Muslim, in my opinion from my interpretation of the Scripture, isn't really being Muslim at all. It's essentially a requirement of the religion to be religious.

Compare it to Christianity per say, where their holy book only mandates that they believe in Jesus as the son of God to get to heaven. While there are rules for Christianity for sure, the entire structure is more lax. There are things Christians can't do, but there aren't really things that Christians are mandated to do. I was born and raised Christian (Muslim now), but while I was given restrictions, I never had any requirements dictated to me from the Bible. In the Quran though, it essentially mandates you to be religious. That's the key thing in my opinion. Our Scripture specifically mandates us to do things, which makes us more religious and not "lax" as other religions.

 

[ma23]

Islam means to submit which actually incudes jews and Christians. And it says in the Quran Christians jews and sabayyans will go to heaven whosoever believes in GOD the last day and does right. They get the same reward ad are considered believers a they are readers of the previous scriptures. That's why we can eat the food they prepare and marry them. As it says in another chapter that marrying a believing slave is better than an idolater. Idolaters are described to be hellbond. But Christians and jews are not.... They are equal in receiving the same reward as muslims.


No the al m'munonn or anbiya r hijr al-mul

I don't know what that means

someone once quoted the cow and called it the Arabic name and I was going to call it bull because I didn't know what the cow was in Arabic. So when naming the chapter use English please. So I know where you're talking about and in what context.

Just how I knew what you were quoting your first quote here.

"..This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion..."[5:3]

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [3:85]



How can you not tell what i'm Quoting from?

Even for English only speakers, a Muslim would know i'm quoting the Quran just from the quotes alone let alone the reference given after each one.

The listed below are Quran's chapter names followerd by numerial reference.

[al-Mu’minoon 23:115, 116]
[al-Anbiya’ 21:16]
[al-Hijr 15:3]
[al-Mulk 67:2]



Everyone is born Muslim. How they are raised is how their religion changes. It seems you are lacking Islamic knowledge based on what you have said. Sister has good advice worth listening to inshallah.

No it actually says in the quran we all come from being in the dark or misleaded so to speak.

Islamic knowledge is knowledge of the Quran which I have. And you seem to have distorted at least trying to imply jews and Christians were disbelievers when they are certalynot and wil go to heaven.

 

[ma23]

when I was in 3-5th grade I looked up other religions none of them made sense so I stopped looking into them....

I'm also a skeptic. Like I didn't read in the Quran the prophet saying that between faith and disbelief is prayer. Jews pray only 3 times a day and Christians pray when they want to like at night or something yet they are still believers. Of course a muslim cannot live the lie a Cristian lives because they know the truth therefore there's no chance of going backwards. And I agree to make it to heaven for a muslim you have to pray. I believe in prayer. I just don't find the time and I know the importance of it. I just need to find the time to do so.

I hope you didn't take my post the wrong way. I'm not saying you drink or smoke, I was simply stating Muslim practices.

It's great that you don't do those things but to say you don't commit sins yet admit you don't pray or fast, I think you're confused as to what constitutes a sin. Not praying and not fasting the compulsory fasts are sins. You're only excuse for doing so would be limited to serious ill health, pregnancy and a handful of other restrictions.

Like the Prophet PBUH said, "What separates between faith and disbelief is prayer."

So, from one Muslim to another, I would highly recommend that you pray. It is of no benefit to Allah or to anyone else but yourself. The fact that you can stay away from alcohol and drugs and smoking in a place like Vegas goes to show you have a strong will anyway, so why not put that will towards praying and fasting?

With regards to going to a mosque, it is not compulsory for a woman to do so, meaning you have nothing to worry about there, although if you do go, you will obviously have to dress appropriately. Every aspect of life has a dress code, would you go to a job interview wearing a pokemon t-shirt and shorts? (Unless you're applying to work at FB or something lol)

In terms of cultural practices, it would depend entirely on which aspects of which culture(s) you are talking about.

Anyway, with regards to your overall thread, like I said, go and read up on other religions and you will find that Islam is not as strict.

 

[sister_39738]

If the abaya was not apart o a specific culture why is it not in English? It never says in the Quran that you have to cover your head. And it never says you have to wear an abaya. You have to dress modestly. That's what it teaches. Andmy mother always said I couldn't wear shorts and tanks. And I personally don't like t wear shorts or anything revealing to me legs etc... Dressing modestly can pertain to western attire as well. Which is what I feel too uncomfortable about because so many muslims act like you're supposed to wear such attire But I don't think GOD teaches us to embrace a culture or custom but to embrace a path o heaven.

I follow only the Qran so that's why we may have differences. It doesn't say in the quran men have to go to the mosque or that women don't. That's what people say. I don't follow people that's why I'm muslim. Because the Quran is the only scripture that is completely from GOD.


And prayer I think it's good to do 5 prayers a day. But I believe 3 or 4 from what I've read were mentioned in the quran. I'll ask my mom though if she foundthe 5th one. I also think it's good to do the watches of the night. I like the Quran and I'll question the source of any other scripture that's not the Quran.

The quran tells the believing women to draw their veil and cover their breast. If you have researched Islam and the time before Islam you would have found out that abaya is nothing new. Women wore abaya and veils but their veils did not cover their chests. Secondly abaya isn't in English because it is not an English word. If you don't believe me then do your own research but women are told how to dress in both quran and Sunnah. Wearing hijab is not someone else's culture as I said before if you are muslim it is your culture. You need to follow the Sunnah as well. The Sunnah is not comprised of people's personal beliefs it comes from teachings of our prophet Muhammad. I agree people add on to the religion things from their personal culture but the Quran and Sunnah do not. When Muhhammad took the night journey the prayer times were reduced to five. Fajr, Dhurh, Asr, Maghrib and Isha. You say you do not follow men blindly but you follow your mother blindly. If you had done your own research you would have discovered a lot of contradictions in what you have been taught compared to actual Islam.

 

[ma23]

The quran tells the believing women to draw their veil and cover their breast. If you have researched Islam and the time before Islam you would have found out that abaya is nothing new. Women wore abaya and veils but their veils did not cover their chests. Secondly abaya isn't in English because it is not an English word. If you don't believe me then do your own research but women are told how to dress in both quran and Sunnah. Wearing hijab is not someone else's culture as I said before if you are muslim it is your culture. You need to follow the Sunnah as well. The Sunnah is not comprised of people's personal beliefs it comes from teachings of our prophet Muhammad. I agree people add on to the religion things from their personal culture but the Quran and Sunnah do not. When Muhhammad took the night journey the prayer times were reduced to five. Fajr, Dhurh, Asr, Maghrib and Isha. You say you do not follow men blindly but you follow your mother blindly. If you had done your own research you would have discovered a lot of contradictions in what you have been taught compared to actual Islam.

That's actually about the prophet's women. Not women in general


And that's my point abays have been around for nonmuslims or middle eastern people. I did a dna test. I am not middle eastern. 85-9-% of my heritage is in Africa. I on't want to e middle eastern I want to be a good muslim. I don't have to embrace any culture to do he duties of my faith.

I don't read or believe in the sunnah. I said it previously only believe in the Quran. W're supposed to dress modestly. And even in thveil comment it never said women had to wear a veil or abaya.

 

[aaj]

Islam means to submit which actually incudes jews and Christians. They get the same reward ad are considered believers a they are readers of the previous scriptures. They are equal in receiving the same reward as muslims. And you seem to have distorted at least trying to imply jews and Christians were disbelievers when they are certaly not and wil go to heaven

If you want to submit to Islam then submit whole heartedly. You can't pick and choose or make up you own interpretations. The Quran is clear.

"..This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion..."[5:3]

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will NEVER be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he WILL BE one of the LOSERS." [3:85]

And it says in the Quran Christians jews and sabayyans will go to heaven whosoever believes in GOD the last day and does right.

Scholars are in agreement in that, that refers to the jew and christians who followed their Prophets when their prophets came. It does not refer to today's christians and jews. The above verses make it clear, no other religion will be accepted.

No the al m'munonn or anbiya r hijr al-mul

I don't know what that means

someone once quoted the cow and called it the Arabic name and I was going to call it bull because I didn't know what the cow was in Arabic. So when naming the chapter use English please. So I know where you're talking about and in what context.

Just how I knew what you were quoting your first quote here.

Even if you can't read the transliteration words the referencing same as any other source. [ Chapter : page Number], that much is obvious.

[al-Hijr 15:3]
[al-Mulk 67:2]

and if you can't read the arabic then how are you reading the Quran?

Islamic knowledge is knowledge of the Quran which I have..

Islamic knowledge is the Quran, the hadiths (recorded sayings of the Prophet) and the sunnah (living example of the Prophet). It is also what the first 4 righteous caliphs left behind in jurisprudence. There are contradicting hadiths because there are sound, weak and fabricated hadiths. They all have been identified as such as we as Muslims know which ones to take our knowledge from.

For you to say you follow the Quran only is a misguidance on your part. There is a sect called the al-Qur’aaniyyeen and they are who you belong to right now, not the right Islam.

You can read about them here: https://islamqa.info/en/3440

 

[sister_39738]

That's actually about the prophet's women. Not women in general


And that's my point abays have been around for nonmuslims or middle eastern people. I did a dna test. I am not middle eastern. 85-9-% of my heritage is in Africa. I on't want to e middle eastern I want to be a good muslim. I don't have to embrace any culture to do he duties of my faith.

I don't read or believe in the sunnah. I said it previously only believe in the Quran. W're supposed to dress modestly. And even in thveil comment it never said women had to wear a veil or abaya.

If you believe that you are muslim then you are part of the Prophet's unmah which makes you one of those women. It says ALL women not just his wives or middle eastern women. Women all over the world wear abaya/hijab because they are muslims. I'm a black woman from America and I have not adopted anyone else's culture. Its your personal choice but right now you are lying to yourself because wearing hijab may inconvenience you but I know you have enough common sense to know the prophet did not excuse women outside the middle east from hijab and abaya. Does it say wear it until it goes out of style? Does it say wear it unless you are from another country? I just follow Quran and Sunah. Being a good muslim means following Sunnah as well as Quran. Sunnah is not the personal beliefs of others but the teachings of the prophet. Right now you are in a state of ignorance and I urge you to actually do research because everything you have said so far is wrong. The worst state you can be in is a state of ignorance. All muslims be it men, women , and children are required to seek knowledge.

 

[AnnaK]

Um I think this is where I split with some muslims. I don't accept the hadith with the same esteem as the quran.

Hey, I completely understand. While we all agree on the validity of the Quran, it can very well be questioned if any of the hadiths are reliable. I can see the problems that arise in the fact that they weren't immediately published after the death of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

I don't remember where I saw this, but somewhere someone said that if a hadith seems to match up with what the Quran says, then follow it. If not, then ignore the hadith. That's honestly how I handle it, not because I'm questioning the validity of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), but because I'm questioning the validity of other people's memories and motives.

 

[M.I.A.]

i have a hard time giving to charity collectors..

sometimes i wait for hours for customers and then charity collectors follow them in lol.

hard to appear generous lol.

i pay my zakat and stuff although i suppose they require it to the penny so thats always a worry.

money corrupts i suppose..

although i aint ever tried to haggle.

 

[Snel]

What I mean is in America whatever faith we are. Usually we are more let's say lax than many others who practice religion more strictly. This especially applies for Christians in America. What I don't get is why it doesn't seem to apply for Muslims who are American? I am a muslim born and raised and so were my parents but I always notice people expect you to be very religious if you're muslim. I was raised by Muslim parents but my parents neither of them were strict muslims. My parents were actually boyfriend and girlfriend before they had me. My mother is/was very anti-marriage because her parents were very volatile they pulled guns out on each other. She never wanted any part in marriage. And I never really went the mosque besides maybe like 5 times total as a kid most likely less. My mother prayed sometimes but not always and fasted sometimes but was more willing to give than fast and in general that's how I live my own life. I pray sometimes but not even in an orderly fashion. I would like to go to the mosque but I don't want to be judged. I had muslim women that worked with me they always thought I was nation or a convert because I do wear western attire because I am an American and so are all of my family. I just don't get why it's expected if you're muslim you have to be religious and not the same can be said for other faiths?

Because it's about obeying Allah. Islam is not comparable to Christianity. While the muslim believes the Quran to be the word of God (all of it) and that it was preserved since the time of the prophet Mohammad, the Christian has none of that. The Bible exists today in thousands of different versions, it is not considered to be the complete word of Jesus (except by ignorant Christians). A verse (in John I believe) that spoke of the core of the Christian belief, the trinity, clearest in all of the Bible, was taken out from the Revised Standard Version as a fabrication. You can probably see where I'm going with this: They do not have a solid foundation like we do. Therefore it only makes sense for them to not be religious.

Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oliLwq0pEEI

Allah deserves to be obeyed, and how do we obey him? By following what he says and what his prophet has said. Your parents made mistakes and they should repent. You're obviously not supposed to follow in their footsteps when it comes to the whole boyfriend/girlfriend thing as having a sexual relationship like that is a major sin.

There are many educated muslims that have produced video material online, I really do recommend you check them out. Names I know of are: Ahmad Deedat (counters Christianity), Hamza Tzortzis (counters Atheism), Abdul Raheem Green.

Not all people who supposedly preach about Islam are good though, if you have the correct understanding of the basics of Islam (for example that Allah is one, what is considered shirk, that Allah is the only one who deserves to be worshipped) you will be able to eventually differentiate between the good and the bad, that is when you have enough knowledge about Islam and about the people in question.

 

[ma23]

Islam means to submit. And that includes Judaism and Christianity and muslims too. Because the bible torah and Quran teach followers to submit to GOD.... So like I said islam is the only faith but it encompasses all believers. Otherwise you're contradicting yourself and doing exactly what you said not to do. Making up interpretations. And tread lightly there because it's not a forgivable sin to make up the word of the Quran. I wouldn't do it if I were you js.



I think this is where terrorism starts. When you start to follow humans like so-called scholars. They aren't GOD. And that doesn't even make sense as nothing does that's made up jargon from humans... Just saying. Because if that were true how can we marry what is already passed us? Those Christians and jews who follow jesus and moses to completion are dead. The current Christians and jews are called people of the scripture and reffered as believing men and women muslims can only marry believing men and women.

If you want to submit to Islam then submit whole heartedly. You can't pick and choose or make up you own interpretations. The Quran is clear.

"..This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion..."[5:3]

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will NEVER be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he WILL BE one of the LOSERS." [3:85]




Scholars are in agreement in that, that refers to the jew and christians who followed their Prophets when their prophets came. It does not refer to today's christians and jews. The above verses make it clear, no other religion will be accepted.



Even if you can't read the transliteration words the referencing same as any other source. [ Chapter : page Number], that much is obvious.

[al-Hijr 15:3]
[al-Mulk 67:2]

and if you can't read the arabic then how are you reading the Quran?



Islamic knowledge is the Quran, the hadiths (recorded sayings of the Prophet) and the sunnah (living example of the Prophet). It is also what the first 4 righteous caliphs left behind in jurisprudence. There are contradicting hadiths because there are sound, weak and fabricated hadiths. They all have been identified as such as we as Muslims know which ones to take our knowledge from.

For you to say you follow the Quran only is a misguidance on your part. There is a sect called the al-Qur’aaniyyeen and they are who you belong to right now, not the right Islam.

You can read about them here:

Yeah I would never learn Arabic sorry. But it's not my culture not my race and has nothing to do with my salvation. Think realistically. If you really believe you'll go to hell for not speaking Arabic you're not reading the Quran properly at last it seems to me.



No you are not listening to the Quran when you put the hadith and Sunnah at the same level. As it says the Quran is the only scripture that will be revealed and is sufficient. There is no need to add. The hadith also smears the prophet for political gain and it says things contrary to the Quran like about dogs being unclean animals. And they actually are permitted to hunt food for owner authorized by the Quran. Also the Sunnah holds prophet Muhammad in higher esteem than other prophets. Which the Quran says specifically not to do.

I think you're reading too much of the hadiths and sunnahs to really pay attention to what the Quran actually says. Because if you read it it clearly says there is no scripture like the Quran. And no9 scripture to be created after it. The more scriptures you get the more problems you get.

And imo the hadiths and Sunnah are just hearsay from humans with whatever intention idk or care for that matter. It's not from GOD.

 

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oh yeah and that's another thing there are no sects of islam. At least that's what the Quran says. Again either you believe in the Quran or you don't. You can't also believe in another scripture. As it specifically not to do so.

If you want to submit to Islam then submit whole heartedly. You can't pick and choose or make up you own interpretations. The Quran is clear.

"..This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion..."[5:3]

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will NEVER be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he WILL BE one of the LOSERS." [3:85]




Scholars are in agreement in that, that refers to the jew and christians who followed their Prophets when their prophets came. It does not refer to today's christians and jews. The above verses make it clear, no other religion will be accepted.



Even if you can't read the transliteration words the referencing same as any other source. [ Chapter : page Number], that much is obvious.

[al-Hijr 15:3]
[al-Mulk 67:2]

and if you can't read the arabic then how are you reading the Quran?



Islamic knowledge is the Quran, the hadiths (recorded sayings of the Prophet) and the sunnah (living example of the Prophet). It is also what the first 4 righteous caliphs left behind in jurisprudence. There are contradicting hadiths because there are sound, weak and fabricated hadiths. They all have been identified as such as we as Muslims know which ones to take our knowledge from.

For you to say you follow the Quran only is a misguidance on your part. There is a sect called the al-Qur’aaniyyeen and they are who you belong to right now, not the right Islam.

You can read about them here:

 

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If you believe that you are muslim then you are part of the Prophet's unmah which makes you one of those women. It says ALL women not just his wives or middle eastern women. Women all over the world wear abaya/hijab because they are muslims. I'm a black woman from America and I have not adopted anyone else's culture. Its your personal choice but right now you are lying to yourself because wearing hijab may inconvenience you but I know you have enough common sense to know the prophet did not excuse women outside the middle east from hijab and abaya. Does it say wear it until it goes out of style? Does it say wear it unless you are from another country? I just follow Quran and Sunah. Being a good muslim means following Sunnah as well as Quran. Sunnah is not the personal beliefs of others but the teachings of the prophet. Right now you are in a state of ignorance and I urge you to actually do research because everything you have said so far is wrong. The worst state you can be in is a state of ignorance. All muslims be it men, women , and children are required to seek knowledge.

No I've had the whole Quran read and it doesn't say that. It says you have to dress modestly. It suggests women who wear veils to cover themselves like any other women for that matter. And it actually says as I remember his women. But that aside it's not a requirement. It's knowledge that women of Muhammad's time and location wore this attire may have been before he became muslim. Which to me means it's not apart of being muslim. That's just my opinion. I don't believe you need a specific attire to be a good muslim any more than a specific language. A long shirt and long slacks serves the same purpose of an abaya.

And the Quran teaches not follow any scripture after it. And that it is sufficient in itself. I follow the teachings of the Quran therefore I don't follow anything else for those reasons. Otherwise I wouldn't follow the Quran. Because it says specifically not to follow any other scripture. I would never cherry pick because to me that would mean I'm not muslim. That's just how I believe.

 

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The hadith was made after the Quran and the Quran says don't follow any scripture after the Quran so I can't listen to it on a religious level. But I do agree with the Quran and I know I need improvements.



I am skeptical of reading the hadith or Sunnah because of what I've heard. My mom had to put the Sunnah down because it was offending her about the prophet speaking of him in ways she didn't agree. He was a human afterall. He was a prophet of GOD like Jesus and Moses. I don't make distinction. But I don't praise him. And she said she saw that it was speaking of him that way. And the hadith I've heard all sorts of really bad things. Like in favor of transsexuality and like against dogs and saying stuff against the prophet basically speaking well of a really terrible sin and saying he did it when I think it's highly unlikely as the Quran speaks in opposition to all of that. And like the perspective of jews and Christians is really mean in the hadith from the quotes. I just don't think I'd agree with it because I have an ideology similar to the Quran.

Hey, I completely understand. While we all agree on the validity of the Quran, it can very well be questioned if any of the hadiths are reliable. I can see the problems that arise in the fact that they weren't immediately published after the death of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

I don't remember where I saw this, but somewhere someone said that if a hadith seems to match up with what the Quran says, then follow it. If not, then ignore the hadith. That's honestly how I handle it, not because I'm questioning the validity of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), but because I'm questioning the validity of other people's memories and motives.