Donald Trump wins the presidency....

[Serinity]

It'd be bad either way:

Russia and USA teaming up? bad, why? because if they are best buddies, they'll not care about the others. Secondly, it might give rise to other new, unfit, dumb leaders, cuz, hey, Trump became President, right?

If Hillary became president, there'd prob be war between Russia and USA. Which would prob engulf the world in another World war.

Trump as President may give Putin the feel of free reign in Middle east. Who knows what will happen in the future, except for Allah. We can only predict, but it might be wrong.

Allahu alam.

 

[00001001]

*image I wasn't allowed to repost* Sigh... this is getting annoying.

I am not from the U.S.A. But please... how is a man that has invested billions in productive companies, suddenly turn unfit for leadership just because he doesn't serve the interest of Muslims in the United States or even beyond.

The more unfit person is Clinton.

Narrated Abu Bakra:

During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler."

Sahih al-Bukhari 7099
Book 92, Hadith 50
Vol. 9, Book 88, Hadith 219

 

[kritikvernunft]

I wonder what's going to happen. I doubt he'll be able to deport the Muslims in the US, though.

Concerning our beloved clown, every time he does something seriously dumb, his ability to do anything at all, will further diminish. In that sense, it is just a question of encouraging him to do stupid things. But then again, he does not really need help with that. He will obviously do that all by himself.

Further, concerning the definition of "Muslim", it is clearly a mental state that someone else can impossibly claim to "see". In that sense, you are perfectly allowed to say anything about your mental state (taqiyya) to someone who threatens you over it. You know that you are a Muslim, but someone else doesn't. That makes it effectively impossible to draw the list of Muslims in the USA, unless it is based on denunciations, but that does not work that well either, because then they would have to allow you to challenge that, or else everybody can denounce everybody else, and that is what they will obviously do. In the meanwhile, his policies in the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia will collapse, making the entire exercise futile.

 

[Aaqib]

eh... My friend told me today about that hadith about the final hour with he unjust ruler... Subhanallah I'm surprised how close we are. May Allah make us not one of those to meet Dajjal Ameen.

 

[Born_Believer]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)


Most Republicans even are afraid of Donald Trump due to his unpredictable nature; and I think they're going to want to make amends for their lukewarm support of his campaign; the more concerning thing is that Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich could get some of the highest jobs in the White House; and that spells trouble for liberals, blacks, Latinos, Muslims, and minorities of any stripe and fiscal policy because they really are not good people. I don't know if Donald Trump will do a good job as President, but I am a little wary of the "hit list" so-to-speak that Donald Trump has amassed by now specific to people who were not supportive of him because he's notorious even in business for wrecking vengeance on any perceived nemesis.

Politicians make strange bedfellows; they lie in together for expediency and saving one's skin. And Republicans invested in this game are typical politicians.


Women seriously disappoint me.

Well, even if Trump's government doesn't work out and he doesn't make it to the end of his term, who is a good replacement? American society seems to like voting for psychopaths.

In terms of women, I believe 53% of white women voted Trump. When will these people learn?

 

[Zafran]

salaam

The US doesn't disappoint - from Obama to this guy? You make the UK look smart even with brexit.

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Well, even if Trump's government doesn't work out and he doesn't make it to the end of his term, who is a good replacement? American society seems to like voting for psychopaths.

Well, if Trump doesn't make it, it will be Mike Pence who is his choice of VP. I don't know that the half of America that voted for Donald Trump has elected to vote for a psychopath so much as I think they aspired for a real change that President Obama promised but didn't deliver. And while I do think Donald Trump is a narcissist, I don't think he's a psychopath; but there's room for me to be proven wrong and we'll see.

In terms of women, I believe 53% of white women voted Trump. When will these people learn?

There was a scene in a previously very famous and hit series known as Sex and the City that still has reruns on television in which women were discussing politics; and I think it was meant to be partially at least a joke, but they were discussing basically about whom they would vote into office based on attractiveness and perceived sexual prowess of the candidate; and frankly, yes, I do think perception of such unfortunately plays a factor. One of the nauseating things I have had to watch this election cycle is women fawning over Donald Trump. It was the same with Obama when he was running for elections in both primaries and when he was up for the candidacy of the highest office.

I don't know that women can learn from this; I think here culturally women are taught to be vicious and competitive with one another, and I think that also played a factor into how Hillary Clinton was not able to galvanize the female voter base. Women generally don't like other powerful women. Maybe some day there will be a likable enough woman against a sufficiently "ugly" male candidate for whom women don't vote. But I don't see that happening any time soon; and we still have to survive Donald Trump's reign first.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[00001001]

There was a scene in a previously very famous and hit series known as Sex and the City

You actually watched the show? God forbid....

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

salaam

The US doesn't disappoint - from Obama to this guy? You make the UK look smart even with brexit.

I was just thinking that we judged U.K. too harshly when U.K. went for Brexit. Now, I'm starting to sympathize.

The truth is that in most parts of the First World, I'm starting to see a very, very, very concerning pattern of right-wingers (who incidentally are also generally warmongers) rising to power like there is no tomorrow; and that's a very worrying trend because knowing the prophecies of End Times about WWIII, we have to realize that it's all coming together like pieces of the puzzle falling into place to make the situation conducive to this situation arising.

We need sanity to prevail in this world; and I don't see that happening.

:waAnd peace be upon you)

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

You actually watched the show? God forbid....

Just so you know, I was actually an atheist. And yes, I used to watch the reruns on TBS. In fact, I remember it being one of favorite shows when it was on TBS. The series is actually about relationships and physical intimacy was just one element of the broader commentary on four different single women's experiences in New York. The explicit scenes were censored on TBS when I'd been watching as TBS is touted as a comedy/family channel in U.S., though I'm very aware that probably when it was premiering on HBO that it was rawer; but I didn't watch the HBO version as the series had ended when I'd latched onto it.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Zafran]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



I was just thinking that we judged U.K. too harshly when U.K. went for Brexit. Now, I'm starting to sympathize.

The truth is that in most parts of the First World, I'm starting to see a very, very, very concerning pattern of right-wingers (who incidentally are also generally warmongers) rising to power like there is no tomorrow; and that's a very worrying trend because knowing the prophecies of End Times about WWIII, we have to realize that it's all coming together like pieces of the puzzle falling into place to make the situation conducive to this situation arising.

We need sanity to prevail in this world; and I don't see that happening.

:waAnd peace be upon you)

I agree - If you look at a lot of first world countries they are leaning right. Its going to be turbulent few years. Hopefully the center ground regains and becomes relevant again.

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

I agree - If you look at a lot of first world countries they are leaning right. Its going to be turbulent few years. Hopefully the center ground regains and becomes relevant again.

Hope so InshaAllah (God-willing).



:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Serinity]

Bismillahi rahmani raheem,

Imagine if the next president will be a young lad with psychopathic and sociologic tendencies.

Allahu alam

 

[aaj]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



Just so you know, I was actually an atheist.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

Are you a convert/convert then ?

 

[kritikvernunft]

The truth is that in most parts of the First World, I'm starting to see a very, very, very concerning pattern of right-wingers (who incidentally are also generally warmongers) rising to power like there is no tomorrow ...

Let's call that the Hitler/Milosevic--apartheid syndrome. This constituency is relatively empoverished -- doesn't have much money and actually not much education either -- while they have a strong sense of entitlement and privilege for reasons of being white. If the market, no matter how rigged, does not confer them with elite privileges, they will seek to use politics in order to overrule the market. They cannot stand it that there are so many whites who are poor, while they can see a group of negros, arabs, indians, and other non-whites doing absolutely fine. If there is no way for the system to artificially privilege them, they insist that the system must attack and suppress non-whites who are doing better than them.

So, yes, I know that people like me are amongst the most hated targets on their neonazi hit list.

But then again, there is a trivial defense against that. I just join the Muslims. Now they do not just need to attack non-whites, but rather 1.5+ billion believers who can become notoriously dangerous, if you irritate them too much. I have moved into the middle of a dangerous hornet's nest. The hornets are not interested in stinging me, because I have enough knowledge of the Quran to prevent them from doing that. At the same time, the neonazi enemy going after me, all the way to the middle of the hornet's nest, would be doing something insanely dangerous. There are hornets there that are known to be totally impossible to manage. All of that can very easily turn into a Stalingrad-style form of obnoxious urban combat, but you see, I am protected by the metaphysical force emanating from the Quran. That is why, as a servant of our Beloved Master, the Illustrious Allah, the Most Merciful, I have nothing to fear.

 

[noraina]

I was expecting it, but I was still hugely disappointed when he became president. Just two days before the results were out I was listening to him on the television with his twisted potential policies on the Syrian refugees and the wall around Mexico. How on earth could he have so much appeal?

In western countries there has been a gradual shift towards the more extreme-right, along with its racist undertones. It's happening in Britain. Underlying it all is this sense of frustration, everything just seems to be in a state of decline and people are looking for someone to scapegoat and politicians like Trump do nothing apart from scapegoat and suggest that the key to economic and political and cultural success is coming down hard on minority groups and immigrants who are the cause of all the problems. There's this real air of desperation.

But yes it does seem like a backwards step in America, back to the racism and bigotry of 50 years ago.

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

I was expecting it, but I was still hugely disappointed when he became president. Just two days before the results were out I was listening to him on the television with his twisted potential policies on the Syrian refugees and the wall around Mexico. How on earth could he have so much appeal?

To be honest, I truly wasn't expecting it despite the fact that I had a dream a few weeks ago that he would be our President. And SubhanAllah (glory be to Allah), my dreams have been coming true like clockwork recently; and yet I'd still hoped that my dream was wrong because I didn't want him to become President. I voted for Hillary Clinton. However, I've been long praying only for the best person to win this election because President Obama had really disappointed me with promising changes as to our foreign policy that he didn't deliver by continuing a shadow war in Muslim majority countries and so I didn't specify who should win - only the best person for us as Muslims and human beings. So, I now believe that even though president-elect Donald Trump has many scared, I hope that this ayah (verse) of the Qur'an applies to him: "But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not" (Qur'an 2:216).

In western countries there has been a gradual shift towards the more extreme-right, along with its racist undertones. It's happening in Britain. Underlying it all is this sense of frustration, everything just seems to be in a state of decline and people are looking for someone to scapegoat and politicians like Trump do nothing apart from scapegoat and suggest that the key to economic and political and cultural success is coming down hard on minority groups and immigrants who are the cause of all the problems. There's this real air of desperation.

I now see that half of America (including myself) has obviously been living in a bubble. It might hurt to admit it, but probably as educated persons in middle class, we're part of the "elitist" wheels of the system that didn't see this coming because the mainstream media has been feeding us faulty information. The mainstream media (which has a 90% liberal bias), it seems now to me, overestimate their importance and due to their inflated sense of worth, failed to report and educate that there really is a hidden base of Trump support (which was scoffed at when Fox News said so by myself and others). And almost all the polls leading up to the election had been saying that Hillary Clinton would win by a landslide victory. So, as I now understand it, how we as people and as a society inform ourselves about public opinion today is not through the medium of television or the mainstream media; therefore, I now understand that we can't be certain of anything any more, especially polls, because social media and the Internet has in large part replaced television on the hierarchy of how people learn and understand issues and process information; so, now, the future belongs to demagogues. So, now, for those of us who were watching CNN and MSNBC for election coverage, I now realize we're ending up no better educated than Fox News viewers. We need to demand that mainstream media do its job, which they haven't done so far.

Also, Trump has always been given a lot of free coverage because he was so quotable and entertaining; he is therefore the media's creation; and the media needs to own up to it. They made him relevant. He successfully scapegoated because he'd tapped into the pulse of the nation; and the media was out of touch with the pulse of half the nation that was beating to the rhythm of anger and hatred against how the system had failed them; as you said, "[t]here's this real air of desperation," but the mainstream media laughed at it as not being relevant when it was.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

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:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Let's call that the Hitler/Milosevic--apartheid syndrome. This constituency is relatively empoverished -- doesn't have much money and actually not much education either -- while they have a strong sense of entitlement and privilege for reasons of being white. If the market, no matter how rigged, does not confer them with elite privileges, they will seek to use politics in order to overrule the market. They cannot stand it that there are so many whites who are poor, while they can see a group of negros, arabs, indians, and other non-whites doing absolutely fine. If there is no way for the system to artificially privilege them, they insist that the system must attack and suppress non-whites who are doing better than them.

Lol, sadly true.

That is why, as a servant of our Beloved Master, the Illustrious Allah, the Most Merciful, I have nothing to fear.

InshaAllah (God-willing).

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Serinity]

Cant wait to get to Jannah.

I don't care about the novelities of this world.

Allahu alam.

 

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I hope that this ayah (verse) of the Qur'an applies to him: "But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not" (Qur'an 2:216).

A'salamu alaykum

I'd like to tell you that using this Ayah in reference to Donald Trump is very insulting. I have mentioned in a post to you before that we can't pluck out verses from the Qur'an and use them for our benefit or to make a point. They have meanings, they have context, and they have been explained by our Prophet, salaAllahu alayhi wa salam, and the Sahaba, radhiAllahu anhum, who knew these Ayat better than anyone. So please do not use them like this. Donald Trump will never help the Muslims, nor Hillary Clinton, nor will any kuffar leader ever be 'good for' the Muslims. This is the truth though some people cannot accept it.

From what I have seen, you have knowledge in American politics and history, and that is great. By all means, argue your point on these matters. But please do not use the Qur'an to validate your opinions, especially when it is done so out of context. I just can't stress enough how insulting it is to read.

You don't have to take it from me. Please do consult some trustworthy people of knowledge who can tell you the meaning behind certain Ayat you have used to make your points.

Allah knows best.