The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan Devit

[Al Sultan]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

May I ask why are you so quite when Scimitar smacked you with these verses?

"God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" Numbers 23:19


"And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for He is not a man, that he should have regret." 1 Samuel 15:29


"I will not execute my burning anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim; for I am God and not a man, the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath." Hosea 11:9

You seem to avoid him.

The thing is you are adopting a man made doctrine which some Christians don't even agree on, and the doctrine isn't even logical, some would say it's "monotheistic"

God is ONE and only ONE, and Jesus never claimed that he is God.

 

[Cherub786]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Sadly both you and Scimi are confirming God's warning that the natural man (that's you guys) will think God's word is foolish and thus you will not receive spiritual understanding from God (1Corinthians 2:14).
Jesus said that he deliberately spoke in parables so that only those who are believers will know the mysteries of God's kingdom, whilst non believers will only see it as a parable so that "Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand." (Luke 8:10).

If you want to receive spiritual understanding from the one true God, then you should repent, leave anti Christ Islam, and instead believe on Jesus, the Son of God who died for your sin.

Lol, you failed to prove your beliefs from the words of Jesus himself. Jesus said repeatedly that he is the “son of man” not the “son of God”. Jesus was a human being, can you prove he was God?
If God can be killed on a cross that isn’t much of a “God”.
The First Commandment says: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. Christianity breaks the very first Commandment of God. If you believe Jesus is God then you simply have no hope of salvation because you are violating God’s very first and most important Commandment.

 

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Sadly both you and Scimi are confirming God's warning that the natural man (that's you guys) will think God's word is foolish and thus you will not receive spiritual understanding from God (1Corinthians 2:14).
Jesus said that he deliberately spoke in parables so that only those who are believers will know the mysteries of God's kingdom, whilst non believers will only see it as a parable so that "Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand." (Luke 8:10).

Honestly, clutching to the idea that you have more of Jesus' (pbuh) sayings in your Christian tradition than we do in Islam, is hubris.

We here, could inundate you with "parables" Jesus spoke which survived into the the middle east than you can with your conflicting "versions" of him do.

The following sayings of Jesus from traditional Arabic sources are excerpted from Walk on Water, a book by Shaikh Hamza Yusuf: https://sandala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Walk-on-Water.pdf That's just a few pages. The whole book is full of them.

That's just one book.

So don't go talking to me of parables, lol.

Clearly, you have not thought this through.

If you want to receive spiritual understanding from the one true God, then you should repent, leave anti Christ Islam, and instead believe on Jesus, the Son of God who died for your sin.

Islam embraces the idea of the Christ as Messiah and is the only religion besides your own which agrees with you on this, did you not know this? or are you just willfully ignorant?

Calling Muslims the Anti-Christ is just, well, idiotic. But I'll entertain you a little longer.

What else you got?

Scimi

 

[Eric H]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Greetings and peace be with you Holy branch;

When you repent, leave anti Christ Islam, and instead believe on Jesus, then you shall receive everlasting life, and your eyes and ears will be open to receive spiritual understanding.

The Jews are God's chosen people, Christians are chosen by Christ, and in Islam, Allah chooses whom he wills.

Did the same God make a mistake, when he chose us through what seems to us as diversity?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Actually all I'm going to offer is the gospel of God's kingdom, as that is what God commanded.

Unfortunately I get caught up in debates like this and go beyond the gospel into exposing the false allegations of Islam's propaganda, etc.
But as God's word says, to the natural man (the lost) God's word will be foolishness (1Corinthinas 2:14).

And as Jesus said in Matthew 13: 13-15
Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah (Isaiah 6:8-10) is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them."

You have heard the gospel of God's kingdom.
Believe on Jesus, the Son of God who died for your sin.

When you repent, leave anti Christ Islam, and instead believe on Jesus, then you shall receive everlasting life, and your eyes and ears will be open to receive spiritual understanding.

It's quite a shame that you remain unaware of how Arabs are the inherited masters of allegory, parable and analogy. Meanwhile, you remain uni-lingual following a translated version of a scripture.

Maybe you should attempt to learn about Muslims and Islam with an open mind and heart and trust in God that He won't let you be deceived, but rather, open to the truth you do not yet know.

Scimi

 

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Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

@Holy branch According to you, and Allah knows best, Jesus peace be upon him said:

To wear hijab (head and body covering): "For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered." Corinthians 11:6

Not to eat the flesh of swine: "and the swine, though he divide the hoof and is cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud, he is unclean to you." Leviticus 11:7

I have yet to find one Christian who follows these teachings. I pray you and your family do, or you accusing people of being "anti-Christ" would be very ironic.

The impression that you are showing is that Christianity is a buffet, where you pick and choose what to take and what to ignore. Fear your Lord, and fear the Day you will be judged.

 

[Al Sultan]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

leave anti Christ Islam

Brother Scimitar just clarified to you that we Muslims aint anti christs and Islam isn't anti Christ....
:facepalm::slap:

May Allah save us from this disastrous world.

 

[Holy branch]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Greetings and peace be with you Holy branch;

The Jews are God's chosen people, Christians are chosen by Christ, and in Islam, Allah chooses whom he wills.

Did the same God make a mistake, when he chose us through what seems to us as diversity?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

Hi Eric,

Romans 2:28,29 tells us how a true Jew is determined.
Consider Jeremiah 9:26 in describing physical Israel.

Christians, and physical Jews who have been grafted back (Romans 11:17-24) into the Olive tree (Jesus Christ), are the true Jews.

 

[talibilm]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Thanks for offering this video. It helps me to understands better what the Islamic view of Jesus is.

I'll offer below what the Bible says, showing how Christianity and Islam contradict each other in regards to Jesus.

Because Islam denies that Jesus died on the cross for our sin, this makes Islam ANTI-CHRIST, as defined in 1John 2:22 in the Bible.
This shows that Islam denies that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God who died for our sin and rose again.

What does Christ mean?

“Christ” is not Jesus’ last name (surname). “Christ” comes from the Greek word Christos, meaning “anointed one” or “chosen one.” This is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Mashiach, or “Messiah.” “Jesus” is the Lord’s human name given to Mary by the angel Gabriel (Luke 1:31). “Christ” is His title, signifying Jesus was sent from God to be a King and Deliverer (see Daniel 9:25; Isaiah 32:1). “Jesus Christ” means “Jesus the Messiah” or “Jesus the Anointed One.”

So Jesus dying on the Cross & Christ have no relationship as you claim

So you have slandered Islam without even knowing the meaning of Christ when Its Islam the only religion ( outside christianity ) which glorified Jesus as the Messiah ( Isa Masih) as Prophesied here in John 16:12-14

"I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.…"He will glorify Me, for He will take ofMine and will disclose it to you.…


after along gap of 600 years when Jesus and his mother were blasphemed by Jews & others for bearing a child without a father that had always kept friction between the two semitic relgions (read History) that receded after the Arrival of Noble Quran. The Noble Quran TESTIFIED (an outsider) for the first time that Maryam was Chaste and Jesus was pure and was born miraculously and even Islam united both of you Jews & Chrsitians by honoring with the title '' The People of the Book " (ahle Kitab ) an outsider giving RECOGNITION OF TRUTH THAT YOU BOTH WERE FROM THE CREATOR OF THE WORLDS for the first time that made you people to name your books as Old & New Testaments. Before this you both blamed each other alleging for copying scriptures from each other.

This Mufti claims that Adam's creation was miraculous therefore the birth of Jesus is no more special, thus claiming that Jesus was not begotten of God. Sadly this Mufti fails to understand the difference.

First you have understand the greatness of THE Creator who had created you and all that exists. When our Creator blessed our Fertile Mary with Esa ( Jesus ) PBUH do not forget he also blessed our INFERTILE Sarah at 90 with Isaac and Zacharia's (about 90 years +) INFERTILE wife with Yahya, John the Baptist which are more miraculous in my view since infertile people stand no chance of giving a Birth unlike Mary who was still fertile. So Our Creator is capable of doing EVERYTHING IMPOSSIBLE in our human sight and you should never doubt it who had brought you into existence when you did not exist some decades ago. See the glorious verses of Allah on this issue.

Noble Quran 19:88-92

They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"

''Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! ''

'' At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,''


''That they should invoke a son for (Allah) the Most Gracious.

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) the Most Gracious that He should beget a son.''

''There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Beneficent (Allah) as a slave. ''

Consider the difference between the first man Adam, and the last Adam (who is Jesus Christ).

1Corinthians 15:45"Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit."


And note the following verse showing that first comes the physical, and later comes the spiritual.

1Corinthians 15:46
"But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual."Thus we see that the first Adam symbolizes the physical man, which dies in sin, whilst the last Adam (Jesus Christ) is SPIRITUAL.

Jesus said in John 3:6

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."


This life we all live now is a battle about whether we choose to remain in the flesh (like the first Adam who died in sin) OR the spirit (being baptized into Christ, who is the last Adam, being spiritual).


Being born of God is to be born of the Spirit.

Christians are born of God, as defined in 1John 5:1.

"Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God"

I feel pity for the Christians who took those verses which can mean anything 50/50 EVEN AS THE BASIS FOR THEIR MAIN ARTICLES OF FAITH like the verse '' I and My Father are One '' which is clearly explained by Mr Deedat here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTT5BiS9kxk


and its the reason for the 41000 denominations Chrsitianity but still never pay heed to some verses of NT that shed light like this

JOHN 2O :16-17
She turned and said to him in Aramaic, “Rabbouni” (which means Teacher).
17 Jesus said to her, “Don’t hold on to me, for I haven’t yet gone up to my Father. Go to my brothers and sisters and tell them,
‘I’m going up to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

 

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Hi ___

Like I showed from scripture in previous posts, a natural person will not understand God's word.

You'r all over the place. Your argument hinges on a weakly invested idea of a "natural person". No doubt, you consider yourself "natural". Which makes us all "unnatural". But by which physical deformity or spiritually inept epistemology do we become unnatural? According to your bibles definition, anyone who denies the Christ, Messiah - who is Jesus pbuh is "unnatural". Well - you're looking at the wrong people for that lol.

Not that I agree with the definition of "natural person" you keep pushing out here, as if it is lending your point any weight - it really isn't.

You're just looking like a fundamentally incapable Christian now.

Only as a Christian will God give you the spiritual understanding for His word, as Jesus himself said.

Jesus pbuh was not a Christian. He was a Jew. He didn't even speak the word "Christian" and the word wasn't even in use during the time Jesus pbuh was on this earth. So again, you are talking out of your rear end.

The first use of the word "Christians" in your religion is after Jesus pbuh left the world. It was Paul (Saul of Tarsis - the roman hitman who became an apostle who never even met Jesus, the very same Paul who was kicked out by the followers of Jesus and the Jews, and was given protection from the pagan Roman and told by them to "preach to the gentiles" because the Gentiles knew no better lol) And Paul invented the term "Christian" in Acts 11:26c

So again, Jesus never used the word "Christian" hence - your premise...

Only as a Christian will God give you the spiritual understanding for His word, as Jesus himself said.

...just collapses.

Holy Branch, are you sure you want to do this? You seem happy with your religion.

Conversing with me, will leave you rather, unhappy.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Brother Scimitar just clarified to you that we Muslims aint anti christs and Islam isn't anti Christ....
:facepalm::slap:

May Allah save us from this disastrous world.

Ya know, if I was to start a thread here, it would probably invite the internet's Christian warriors to party, the thread title would be:

"The Religion of the Anti-Christ: Christianity" and a whole can of worms would open.

I'd explain the mithraic origins of Christianity and the real and true reasoning behind the "trinity" being a remixed theology of polytheism attempting to merge with the Monotheism Jesus pbuh taught.

And that would just be a starting point... from there, things would get real interesting, real fast.

Scimi

 

[Al Sultan]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

would just be a starting point... from there, things would get real interesting, real fast

Oh boy I can just imagine xD

but how is Christianity anti Christ? I thought they affirmed that jesus was the messiah, or do you mean something else?

 

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Hi ___

I got this, lol.

Like I showed from scripture in previous posts, a natural person will not understand God's word.

You know nothing, John Snow. You proved nothing except, the term "natural person" is a misnomer and heavily used by you in a context which is not only whack, but absolutely OOC. Just like what you are attempting to do below. And that's the problem with non denominational Christians - they interpret the bible to feed their bias. That's totally dishonest, as I will now prove once again.

Who is the "woman" that 1Corinthians 11:6 refers to?

Every woman. Did you read 1 Corinthians 11:5? the verse before the one you mentioned?

But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is the same as having her head shaved.

For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

1 Corinthians 11: 5&6

What is the covering?

You really don't know?

OK, Here goes me, a Muslim teaching a Christian, their holy book.... again. Sheesh.

"Mary Mother of Jesus" in Google Images lol That is a massive clue to you, Oh Natural Person.

Secondly, know this, that Semites of the Middle East, always had their women observe the veil, and even today the tradition is existent - yet here you are, claiming to know what this head covering is and attempting to deny it is a veil. When clearly, anything which covers the head is a veil.

For proof, go to a Church for once and ask to speak to a "nun" - they cover their head by the way... so do our Muslim women. While the practice among Christians is confined only to the Nunnery.

Is Covering the Hair a Religious Commandment for Christian Women?

There can be only one answer to this: yes, it is! Simply open the Bible to the First Epistle to the Corinthians, chapter 11. Read verses 3-10.

But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraces his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is the same as if she were shaven. For if a woman is not covered, let her be shaven. But if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. A man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God. But woman is the glory of man. For man was not created for woman, but woman for man. This is why the woman ought to have a sign of authority over her head, because of the angels.


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The meaning of this passage is plain enough. We can make the following syllogisms:

Syllogism 1

Praying with an uncovered head is a disgrace
Having a shaved head is the same as praying with an uncovered head
Therefore, having a shaved head is a disgrace

Syllogism 2

If it is a disgrace for a woman to have a shaved head, she should cover her head
It is a disgrace for a woman to have a shaved head - see syllogism 1
Therefore, a woman should cover her head


​

What was the law of Moses designed to do?

The Torah - means The Law in Hebrew Aramaic, in case you was also ignorant of this too. It's like I'm teaching a 9 year old or an adult moron here. No offence. But you really should do your homework first.

Who is under the jurisdiction of the law and why?

Now here is where you look real green. The Law was only for the Children of Israel. Jesus pbuh himself said "I have come only for the lost sheep of Israel". Not the vile Romans who were leeching Jerusalem for tax money to make the Pagan Caesar happy. Not for any other people either, nope, Jesus only came for the lost sheep of Israel, and the laws you think you know about but do not - were for the Children of Israel. Jesus pbuh didn't come to "preach to the Gentiles" lol, that was Paul doing the opposite of what Jesus pbuh taught. Kinda anti-Christian in that sense no?

Who do you think was under the jurisdiction of The Mosaic Law according to the scripture? French Crusaders? Too funny.

Only as a Christian will God give you the spiritual understanding for His word, as Jesus himself said.

What does that mean? Christian God? Do you mean one who is confused he is three and prays to himself like "Hi God, help me, it's me - you" like he did in the garden of Gethsemony? Seems to me, this God of yours might be kinda, in need of a straght jacket and some medication, according to your ideas about him.

"Eli Eli Ya Sabachthani" - How is the man who cries this, God? Lol.

You have failed to make any points in this thread that actually prove any of your bias'.

Go home, contact some priests and rabbi's, get your game correct and then come back. God willing.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Oh boy I can just imagine xD

but how is Christianity anti Christ? I thought they affirmed that jesus was the messiah, or do you mean something else?

Messiah?

Messiah according to the Christian definition means "son of God" - begotten and all. But it's a false idea and totally out of context.

Christians seem to think they have the claim to "Messiah" when in fact, many Messiahs came before Jesus pbuh. One wasn't even an Israelite.

For example - Cyrus the Persian whom is noted as "The Great" was also a Messiah (non Israelite), according to the Torah.

Clearly, the term "Messiah" is not unique to Christianity, and understanding that Christianity came after the line of Prophets and Messengers from the Children of Israel, and the term "Messiah" being extant in Hebrew Aramaic way before the advent of Christianity, is evident that the Christian idea of the term is pretty much useless. We should go to the Semitic understanding of the word to know what it really means:

Messiah: The term "messiah" is the translation of the Hebrew term masiah [jyiv'm], which is derived from the verb masah, meaning to smear or anoint. When objects such as wafers and shields were smeared with grease or oil they were said to be anointed; hence the commonly used term was "anoint" when grease or oil was applied to objects by Israelites and non-Israelites. The term "messiah" is not used to refer to "anointed" objects that were designated and consecrated for specific cultic purposes but to persons only. Persons who were anointed had been elected, designated, appointed, given authority, qualified, and equipped for specific offices and tasks related to these.

Now, in Islam, when we do ablution (wudhu) the part where we wash our head, is called what? Masah. Same thing bro. We anoint ourselves as Muslims each time we do wudhu.

And it is in our tradition of Islam that we have the hadeeth about when Jesus pbuh returns by the white minaret east of Dimishq (Damascus) his head will seem to be wet and when he lifts it, it would seem as though pearls are scattering from his hair... that's what it means to be Messiah in the strictest sense according to Judaism and Islam... that and being chosen by God for a specific task. We know what Jesus pbuh will do when he returns. That is the task at hand.

...meanwhile in cuckoo land. Christians.

Scimi

EDIT:

John the Baptist - Baptised Jesus (peace be upon them both) - in that one event, Jesus pbuh had done Masah. So had countless others who John the Baptist had Baptised in the name of God.

Scimi

 

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[Al Sultan]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Mashallah brother, thanks for explaining, I see what do you mean by "Messiah" as I was unsure what it really meant. jazak allah khair for the info anyway

 

[Scimitar]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Wa iyyakum,

Basically bro, the Christians have run with an altogether deviant explanation for the word "messiah".

Scimi

 

[Holy branch]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

I got this, lol.
You know nothing, John Snow. You proved nothing except, the term "natural person" is a misnomer and heavily used by you....

The "natural" person in 1Corinthains 2:14 refers to non-believers (those who reject that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God who died for our sin).

Every woman. Did you read 1 Corinthians 11:5? the verse before the one you mentioned?

But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is the same as having her head shaved.

For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

1 Corinthians 11: 5&6

You really don't know?

OK, Here goes me, a Muslim teaching a Christian, their holy book.... again. Sheesh.

"Mary Mother of Jesus" in Google Images lol That is a massive clue to you, Oh Natural Person.

Secondly, know this, that Semites of the Middle East, always had their women observe the veil, and even today the tradition is existent - yet here you are, claiming to know what this head covering is and attempting to deny it is a veil. When clearly, anything which covers the head is a veil.

For proof, go to a Church for once and ask to speak to a "nun" - they cover their head by the way... so do our Muslim women. While the practice among Christians is confined only to the Nunnery.

Is Covering the Hair a Religious Commandment for Christian Women?

There can be only one answer to this: yes, it is! Simply open the Bible to the First Epistle to the Corinthians, chapter 11. Read verses 3-10.

But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraces his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is the same as if she were shaven. For if a woman is not covered, let her be shaven. But if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. A man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God. But woman is the glory of man. For man was not created for woman, but woman for man. This is why the woman ought to have a sign of authority over her head, because of the angels.
The meaning of this passage is plain enough. We can make the following syllogisms:​

Syllogism 1

Praying with an uncovered head is a disgrace
Having a shaved head is the same as praying with an uncovered head
Therefore, having a shaved head is a disgrace

Syllogism 2

If it is a disgrace for a woman to have a shaved head, she should cover her head
It is a disgrace for a woman to have a shaved head - see syllogism 1
Therefore, a woman should cover her head​

Your argument above was expected, and is that of a natural man, devoid of any spiritual understanding.
Without Jesus Christ you will not understand who is the woman, what is the covering, etc.
​

Anyway folks, it's time to leave this forum as I got warnings from admin that I'm not to share the gospel of God's kingdom here.

 

[Al Sultan]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

devoid of any spiritual understanding.
Without Jesus Christ you will not understand who is the woman, what is the covering

lol you must be trolling us.

Scimitar explained to you the "covering" which you yourself don't even know (even though its in your bible *cough* *cough* )

and he did brilliantly.

So why are you saying that? I don't need a person to explain to me this verse, it's like I'm searching for information, but that information is right infront of me , but I'm too stupid to read (no offence)

That's exactly what you are doing, you're becoming arrogant and blind, and I don't understand why, why don't you just face the truth? why do you have to be like "you don't understand this or this" if he didn't he wouldn't be explaining it in a simple way.

Also why don't you 'teach' him what it is since it's your bible and you're a Christian? explain then

How does it feel to get a taste of your own medicine? (Made in London)

 

[Eric H]

Re: The Muslim Concept of Jesus: Discussion Between Mufti Abdur Rahman & Dr Brendan D

Greetings and peace be with you Al Sultan;

I struggle with these kinds of threads, clearly there are profound differences between our two faiths. however, I do believe we should be able to build relationships despite these differences. It would be a very shallow world, if everyone was a Catholic like me, and believed as I do.

I believe that truth leads to kindness, mercy forgiveness, justice and peace, we should pray for each other, that we might all find salvation, despite our differences.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of 'One God'

Eric