Kemal Ataturk

[Scimitar]

I've heard some Turkish Muslims claim that the barrier of Dhul Qarnayn was in Turkey in the Taurus mountains. Some weak justification given such as "Taurus" means two horned... when it really means Bull.

Either way, let's humour this idea and say that the barrier of Dhul Qarnayn was built in the Taurus mountains lol, well given that Turkey prides itself on the idea that it is a nation which is the "gateway to the west", we can also claim the barrier fell because Turkey is now the Gateway to the West and so, Turkey is now full of Yajuj and Majuj, right? lol

I can corner the Nationalistic Turks with curve balls they will not see coming.

But like I said, it's really boring.

Scimi

 

[Akeyi]

I've heard some Turkish Muslims claim that the barrier of Dhul Qarnayn was in Turkey in the Taurus mountains. Some weak justification given such as "Taurus" means two horned... when it really means Bull.

Either way, let's humour this idea and say that the barrier of Dhul Qarnayn was built in the Taurus mountains lol, well given that Turkey prides itself on the idea that it is a nations which is the "gateway to the west", we can also claim the barrier fell and Turkey is now full of Yajuj and Majuj too, right? lol

I can corner the Nationalistic Turks with curve balls they will not see coming.

But like I said, it's really boring.

Scimi

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[Scimitar]

THE BOOK I SUGGESTED ... [/snip]

I know all I need to know about Turkey, thank you.

You, I think, do not.

Scimi

 

[Akeyi]

I know all I need to know about Turkey, thank you.

You, I think, do not.

Scimi

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]A fearsome person at the end of time will rise in the morning and on his forehead will be written ‘This is a disbeliever.
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]At the end of time no one will remain who will say: Allah! Allah
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The dissension of the end of time will be so terrible that no one will be able to restrain themselves.
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[anatolian]

Ever heard of the Donmeh? Lol surely you as a Turk would know that word.

Ataturk was a crypto-Jew

Scimi

[MENTION=31950]Scimitar[/MENTION] My dear brother, you have a strange jealousity with Turkish people. You show this in every thread related to Turks. I really dont know the reason. But what ever I tell you, you will just ignore it and tell us some wired stories about Turkey or Turkish people. So I cant help you sorry..

 

[MuslimInshallah]

Assalaamu alaikum,

On the question on takfir (i.e. declaring someone not to be a believer), I would suggest the following for reading.


What Takes a Person Out of the Fold of Islam?

OCTOBER 26, 2011 BY EDITOR

Answered by Shaykh Faraz A. Khan
Question: What takes a person out of the fold of Islam? Commonly it is stated that “rejecting that which is known by necessity”, but what does that entail?

Answer: Assalamu alaikum warahmatullah,
I pray this finds you in the best of health and states.

The General Boundaries of Islam

Imam Tahawi states in his well-known creed, “A servant is not considered to have left his faith except by denying that which originally caused him to enter into it,” i.e., except by denying one’s very belief in the central tenets of Islamic faith, such as Allah and His attributes (His oneness, omnipotence, omniscience, etc.), His books, His angels, His prophets and messengers, the Last Day, or the Sacred Law (sharia).

In addition, because true belief entails veneration and respect, disbelief could also result from one’s cursing, disdain or contempt for the religion or the aforementioned tenets of faith.

Lastly, our scholars mention that disbelief could result from denial or contempt for anything that is “necessarily known of the religion.”

What is Necessarily Known of the Religion

This category of the faith — “what is necessarily known of the religion” — refers to certain aspects of the religion that were historically transmitted and accepted by the entire community, in a manner such that it is undeniable that those aspects are part of the religion. To deny them would therefore be akin to rejecting the Messenger himself (peace and blessings be upon him), since these things are certainly from him.

Moreover, these aspects have to be definitive (qat`i) in meaning as well, such that there was no difference of opinion among jurists as to what these aspects entail.

This category is an absolute historical reality, and it occurs by one of the following ways:

(a) incontestable multiple-chain transmission (tawatur), meaning narrations that have reached us through so many chains of transmission that it is impossible its transmitters conspired to fabricate it. This applies to every verse of the Qur’an, as well as various prophetic sunnas that reached this status.
(b) established, normative prophetic practice that is well-known (mashhur), accepted by all communities of Muslim jurists;
(c) verbalized definitive consensus (ijma) of all Companions, also related to us by incontestable multiple-chain transmission.

Examples are the ritual prayer (salat), almsgiving (zakat), fasting in Ramadan (sawm), and the pilgrimage (hajj); as well as the obligatory status of each. To deny or have contempt for any of these would entail disbelief.

In addition, the prohibited status of certain sins are also in this category. For example, murder (qatl), adultery (zina), and consuming wine (khamr) are necessarily known as prohibited by the religion. Deeming such things as religiously lawful would also entail disbelief.
[Nahlawi, Al-Durar al-Mubaha fil Hazr wal Ibaha; Bajuri/Laqqani, Hashiyat Bajuri ala Jawharat al-Tawhid]

Takfir: A Fitna of Our Times

Having said the above, it is absolutely critical for Muslims to know well that the application of the aforementioned criteria to particular cases, and the determination of whether a Muslim has in fact committed disbelief, is a function relegated only to qualified Muslim jurists of the highest caliber, not to individual Muslims.

One of the greatest tribulations (fitan) of our times is the prevalence of some Muslims deeming other Muslims as disbelievers (takfir). This is a catastrophe, whose harm is most clearly manifested in the senseless killing of innocent Muslims by extremists.

As Shaykh Abdullah bin Bayyah states in his fatwa on takfir, “The fitna of takfir is a fitna that has brought down serious casualties upon the community, since it is a blind fitna, whose causes are obscure yet whose results are utterly devastating.” [Fatwa Shaykh Bin Bayyah, Amman Message]

Our Beloved Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever accuses a fellow believer of kufr, it is as if he killed him.” [Bukhari]

As well as, “If a man says to his brother, ‘O disbeliever!’, then indeed it [the slanderous statement] returns upon one of the two.” [Bukhari, Muslim]

This hadith indicates that it is categorically prohibited to accuse one’s fellow Muslim of disbelief, as that is major slander and calumny. Allah Most High states, “And do not call one another bad names: wretched is the name of corruption after faith.” (49:11) Many commentators said this verse refers to calling one’s fellow Muslim ‘disbeliever’ (kafir) or ‘religiously corrupt’ (fasiq). [Ibn Abdul Barr, Istidhkar]

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) also said on his farewell pilgrimage, “Do not go back, after my demise, as [acting like you did when you were] disbelievers, some of you striking the necks of others.” He made this statement after telling the Muslims to keep silent, thereby indicating that what was to follow was of timeless wisdom and immense gravity. And in another narration, he prefaced it with “Woe to you all!” — also highlighting the seriousness of the matter.
[Bukhari, Muslim; Sharh Qadi Iyad]

Indeed, because takfir is such a grave matter, our scholars have stated, “To be mistaken in deeming a thousand disbelievers as believers is better than to be mistaken in deeming a single believer a disbeliever.”

Imam Ghazali, a master jurist, theologian and saint of our tradition, explains at length that most takfir occurs due to fanaticism and is hence utterly baseless. He summarizes the matter as follows:

“It is established that a Muslim’s protected status and inviolability (`isma) is certainly derived from his statement ‘La ilaha illa Allah.’ This, then, cannot be repelled except with that which is also at the level of certainty.” [Ghazali, Iqtisad fil I`tiqad; Fatwa Shaykh Bin Bayyah, Amman Message]

That is to say, a doubtful issue that might suggest disbelief cannot outweigh the original certainty of a Muslim’s belief — only an act or statement of certain disbelief could do so. And this determination is not the function of the general laity of Muslims, but rather qualified jurists and theologians alone.

And Allah knows best.

wassalam
Faraz

http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2011/10/26/what-takes-a-person-out-of-the-fold-of-islam/

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

Craziness starting to stream out like all the carbonation from a cheap fizz pop cooldrink...

Things to understand:

1) Attaturk was a Kaafir, and he was a Jew. This was proven in another thread a couple of months ago. Clear-cut statements of Attaturk were presented. That's besides the fact that he removed Islaam from Turkey. If Attaturk is a Muslim, so is Iblees. Their level of Islaam is the same.

2) Turkey is Daar-ul-Kufr. It is not the "State" of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم. It never was. During the time of the old Uthmaani Sultaans, it was good. But since the 1700s, it's been devoid of Islaam.

3) Why is a Christian speaking on Takfeer? Doesn't even know what the term means. Everyone speaks on everything these days.

4) Nationalism is against Islaam. Whether it is Arab nationalism (like the Kufr of the "Ba`th Party"), or Indian nationalism, or Turkish nationalism, or any other nationalism. Never become nationalistic.

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

That actually is takfir. That's exactly what that is. And I will explain.

If he had openly apostasized, then he would have put himself outside the fold of Islam. But he did not do that. He set about some rapid reform efforts, but he continued to practice Islam and always claimed to be a Muslim.

Under those circumstances, what you're doing absolutely is takfir. You stop well short of it insofar as you are merely critical of his decisions, and insofar as you claim that he was bad for Islam. But then you say he's kufr, and There it is, right there, that is takfir. Yes it is. And then you basically say "It's not takfir because I think I have good reasons for my takfir." Actually mate, you're not supposed to do this takfir thing Even If you think you have good reasons. Takfir is supposed to be something that you don't ever do, at all, period, full stop. That is literally the whole point of it being disallowed, the whole purpose is to stop you from doing what you just did.

The world is becoming stranger every day. Now even Christians are giving "Fataawaa" and speaking in matters of Takfeer. What next?

 

[Scimitar]

@Scimitar My dear brother, you have a strange jealousity with Turkish people. You show this in every thread related to Turks. I really dont know the reason. But what ever I tell you, you will just ignore it and tell us some wired stories about Turkey or Turkish people. So I cant help you sorry..

Bro, in case you didn't notice over the past five years, it's not just Turkey, but all Muslim nations today which I ave massive issues with.

Instead of helping me, (and believe me, I do not require it) help yourself to understand the state this ummah really is in.

And notice how the threads about Turkey are always posted here by who? Turks.

Notica also that your overly secular race is "proud" of itself while it remains a totally failed compromise of Muslim values... bro, I see a better Islam here in the UK than what your nation has in Turkey, and i'm going of comparisons between the cities of London and Istanbul.

By that measurable standard, you will easily see that the British Muslims who are a minority in the UK, make up most of this forums membership - while your own so called very Muslim nation, full of Muslims, only has a limited minority here on Islamicboard. Where are the rest of you? Drinking EFES beer?

Turks talk a big game, but when I investigate your history, I see no difference to any other history. The pride Turks have is misplaced and they are totally ignorant of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh last sermon in which he killed the concept of national pride and gave to us, the understanding that there is no conglomerate of Muslim nations, just the concept of Ummah - but meanwhile in Turkey, lol...

... help your own Turkish brothers first, they are drinking way too much haraam and do not even understand what is halal for them anymore.

Scimi

 

[Huzaifah ibn Adam]

That's actually a fact. There's more much Islaam in the UK than there is in Turkey. I advise the Turkish brothers not to let nationalism get in the way of accepting the Haqq. If a person comes along and says that, you know what, there is more Islaam to be found in the UK than there is to be found in some Arab countries, I will be the first to accept that. I am Syrian, but will never claim that the Syrians are better than Any other race, because such a statement is absolute Baatil. All races are equal. To Allaah Ta`aalaa, the best people are those who have the most Taqwaa, not the one who belongs to this race or that race, or a particular tribe. That is Jaahiliyyah. Nationalism is Jaahiliyyah. I myself am saying that Syria is currently Daar-ul-Kufr and Daar-ul-Harb, because it is ruled by a Taaghoot Kaafir, "Bashar al-Kalb". I am not going to claim that Syria is Daar-ul-Islaam just because I am from Syria, nor am I going to deny any of the many things wrong with present-day Syria and the Syrian masses just because I am a Syrian as well.

Enter into Islaam fully. Once you have entered into Islaam fully, you leave all nationalism behind. You no longer worry about "race" and "nationality"; it's not important. What is important is whether a person is a Muslim or a Kaafir. Abu Mus`ab az-Zarqaawi - Arab, Jordanian - used to say:

الأمريكي المسلم أخونا الحبيب, والعربي الكافر عدونا البغيض, ولو تشاركنا وإياه في رحم واحدة

"The American who is a Muslim is our beloved brother, and the Arab who is a Kaafir is our hated enemy, even if we and him (i.e. this Arab) had shared the same womb."​

This is the mindset to have. Once you have adopted this mindset, the Jaahili nationalism will disappear from your heart.

The fact is, we can have a million debates about Attaturk al-Kaafir, and we could post hundreds of proofs right here and now that Attaturk was not a Muslim, that he was an enemy of Islaam, that he tried to eradicate Islaam, that he was a Crypto-Jew, etc. but the Turkish brothers will not - إلا ما شاء الله - accept, because this isn't an issue of Attaturk; it's an issue of nationalism. Once a person's heart drinks to satiation from the water of nationalism, the eyes become blind and the ears become deaf (to the Haqq). Nationalism is a sickness in and of itself. Until the sickness of nationalism has been treated, those who are in support of Attaturk will not cease to support him, even if a whole world full of proofs get presented in front of them.

والسلام​

 

[anatolian]

Bro, in case you didn't notice over the past five years, it's not just Turkey, but all Muslim nations today which I ave massive issues with.

Maybe I don't know. I have yet to see you critisizing another Muslim nation here. And you don't critisize Turks/Turkey you just attack. You are trying to discredit Turks/Turkey in the eyes of readers.

Instead of helping me, (and believe me, I do not require it) help yourself to understand the state this ummah really is in.

The state this ummah is in today is worse than ever. So what? Your "over critization" of Turks/Turkey will not change it. Do your best to educate people you reach.

And notice how the threads about Turkey are always posted here by who? Turks.

Even if this was the case it would not be a wired thing but well no, most of the threads about Turkey are created by people who are not Turkish in this forum. Like this one. Actually there are very few Turks in that forum.

Notica also that your overly secular race is "proud" of itself while it remains a totally failed compromise of Muslim values... bro, I see a better Islam here in the UK than what your nation has in Turkey, and i'm going of comparisons between the cities of London and Istanbul.

The ones who are proud of their race are racist people. However, there is a slight difference between racism and nationalism. There is nationalism in most of the religious Turkish people and it is all about the historical Turkish service to Islam, which you don't accept. There is not racism in this kind of nationalism. And there is a whole irreligious (which you call secular) Turkish people on the other hand. You are blaming the other group with the behaviour of another group of people. You are just mixing the things...

If you have a better Islam in London than we have in Istanbul what happy to you!..Be thankful to Allah instead of humilating Turkish people.

By that measurable standard, you will easily see that the British Muslims who are a minority in the UK, make up most of this forums membership - while your own so called very Muslim nation, full of Muslims, only has a limited minority here on Islamicboard. Where are the rest of you? Drinking EFES beer?

Have you ever realized that this is an English speaking forum? I can only encourage to learn Turkish and join Turkish speaking forums...

Turks talk a big game, but when I investigate your history, I see no difference to any other history. The pride Turks have is misplaced and they are totally ignorant of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh last sermon in which he killed the concept of national pride and gave to us, the understanding that there is no conglomerate of Muslim nations, just the concept of Ummah - but meanwhile in Turkey, lol...

You may have a right point on this..But it has some reasons

... help your own Turkish brothers first, they are drinking way too much haraam and do not even understand what is halal for them anymore.

Scimi

I wanna help everyone regardless of his/her nation

 

[Scimitar]

Maybe I don't know. I have yet to see you critisizing another Muslim nation here. And you don't critisize Turks/Turkey you just attack. You are trying to discredit Turks/Turkey in the eyes of readers.

I just put a video up of the House of Saud which was removed by the mods lol and that video wasn't exactly speaking highly of them.

In the past, countless threads and posts I have made against the leaders of Muslim nations and their politics being in direct contradiction of Islamic values have also gone missing.

But when it comes to Turkey, somehow the forum mods don't do anything.

So, yeah, maybe you "don't know".

The state this ummah is in today is worse than ever. So what? Your "over critization" of Turks/Turkey will not change it. Do your best to educate people you reach.

Brother Anatolian, If I truly got started, it would be very educational and the Turks would have to swallow hard, because what they will chew will not taste nice.

History is history, you can't change it - however - I can tell it.

And you cannot debunk it.

Want me to teach the members here the inglorious past of the Ottomans?

Sure - but give me time because this subject is soooo damn boring for me, that I will have to allocate time for it.

Even if this was the case it would not be a wired thing but well no, most of the threads about Turkey are created by people who are not Turkish in this forum. Like this one. Actually there are very few Turks in that forum.

Because you say so? I've noticed a ridiculous number of threads posted by fly by Turkish members who will rant about how great Turkey is, citing hadeeth which are so dodgy and have no reference regarding Mahdi will be Turkish and rubbish like this, and worse - then get cornered by members who actually know what they are talking about - resulting in those fly by Turkish members disappearing from this forum with their tales tucked firmly between their legs.

The ones who are proud of their race are racist people. However, there is a slight difference between racism and nationalism. There is nationalism in most of the religious Turkish people and it is all about the historical Turkish service to Islam, which you don't accept. There is not racism in this kind of nationalism. And there is a whole irreligious (which you call secular) Turkish people on the other hand. You are blaming the other group with the behaviour of another group of people. You are just mixing the things...

Both, racism and nationalism are idiotic.

And Turks, as you just admitted, suffer from both.

you have a better Islam in London than we have in Istanbul what happy to you!..Be thankful to Allah instead of humilating Turkish people.

I had no idea pointing out how Islam in London is actually a lot more in context to the practice and understanding of it than what Turks follow, would be soooo offensive lol. I pointed out an observation from my experience and you think this is me humiliating Turks?

Bro, have you lost sight of your faculty of reason? Have you not seen how those fly by nationalistic, egotistic and racist Turks constantly embarrass themselves here on this forum?

Have you ever realized that this is an English speaking forum? I can only encourage to learn Turkish and join Turkish speaking forums...

Riiiight (sarcasm) the nation which calls itself "The Gateway to the West" - has problems learning English, the second most spoken language in the world and the Wests prime tongue of choice. Brilliant. Bro, you done walked into that one also.

You may have a right point on this..But it has some reasons

Of course I am right, you don't have to go far to find the proof - it's right here on this forum.

I wanna help everyone regardless of his/her nation

Ameen to that.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

The fact is, we can have a million debates about Attaturk al-Kaafir, and we could post hundreds of proofs right here and now that Attaturk was not a Muslim, that he was an enemy of Islaam, that he tried to eradicate Islaam, that he was a Crypto-Jew, etc. but the Turkish brothers will not - إلا ما شاء الله - accept, because this isn't an issue of Attaturk; it's an issue of nationalism.

Nationalism, in its purest form leads to National Socialist movements - and we know where that led Germany. To the 3rd Reich. Bloody heck.

History is a well oiled machine, and those cogs, they turn in "circles" and thus, history repeats itself, either to a microcosm or a macrocosm example.

In the case of the Turks, their fratricide of Christian boys was wholly reminiscent in idea to the subjugation of Jews in Germany. The fratricide card was one which saw they Christian nobles of Turkey, subjugated through fear. Same as with the Jews who were subjugated through the very same fear mechanic in Nazi Germany. Thank Allah that the Ottoman empire was destroyed simply because I believe that had it been allowed to continue, the next major genocide in the world after WW2 would have been that which the Ottomans would have fomented. And Allah knows best

Once a person's heart drinks to satiation from the water of nationalism, the eyes become blind and the ears become deaf (to the Haqq). Nationalism is a sickness in and of itself. Until the sickness of nationalism has been treated, those who are in support of Attaturk will not cease to support him, even if a whole world full of proofs get presented in front of them.

This is so beautifully on point, that the bitter sweetness of its truth is one which takes an immediate affect on the one who seeks truth.

Scimi

 

[anatolian]

That's actually a fact. There's more much Islaam in the UK than there is in Turkey. I advise the Turkish brothers not to let nationalism get in the way of accepting the Haqq.

Salam Aleykum. No one claims that there is more Islam in Turkey than there is in UK. Claiming such a thing would be arrogance. We musn't be proud of the degree of our Muslimhood, what ever it is. And since there is a huge number of Muslims in the UK it is quite possible. But it is valid vice versa..No one has right to claim that there is more Islam in UK than there is in Turkey. Arrogance what is wrong, not nationalism.

I am a Turkish nationalist. Every one has right to be one. There is nothing wrong with nationalism as long as you don't put it in front of your Muslimhood. Also there is an Islamic motivation in my nationalism thanks to my anccestors. My advocating of Mustafa Kemal is not about his Turkishness. It is all about his service to my nation which is a good deed in Islam. My respect to Mustafa Kemal comes from the Islamic values not from secular nationalistic ideals.

 

[Scimitar]

Salam Aleykum. No one claims that there is more Islam in Turkey than there is in UK. Claiming such a thing would be arrogance. We musn't be proud of the degree of our Muslimhood, what ever it is. And since there is a huge number of Muslims in the UK it is quite possible. But it is valid vice versa..No one has right to claim that there is more Islam in UK than there is in Turkey. Arrogance what is wrong, not nationalism.

Actually, they do claim this.

I am a Turkish nationalist. Every one has right to be one. There is nothing wrong with nationalism as long as you don't put it in front of your Muslimhood. Also there is an Islamic motivation in my nationalism thanks to my anccestors. My advocating of Mustafa Kemal is not about his Turkishness. It is all about his service to my nation which is a good deed in Islam. My respect to Mustafa Kemal comes from the Islamic values not from secular nationalistic ideals.

Then by definition you are not following the Sunnah advice of yours and my prophet Muhammad pbuh.

There is no such thing as nationalism in Islam, only the Ummah, and Turkey is not reflective of "Ummah" when it claims "national pride".

Let's also throw in the fact that Turkey is the most Secular Muslim nation on the planet... and it's obvious why you would be a patriot now isn't it? To be anything else is just not so PC is it?

So basically, you are compromising your belief in Ummah by arrogantly (and rather ignorantly) claiming that you are Turkish Nationalist.

Bro, this is how easy it is to corner Turks. You guys do not have the power of debate because you do not know your Islam as well as you claim you do.

Your race of people have constantly made mince meat out of Islam and its practice... must I now once again repeat my experience of Jummah salaat in the Blue Mosque? What a farce that was. Sheesh.

Scimi

 

[Scimitar]

How a Nation which calls itself the Pride of Islam can produce Alcoholic Beer is beyond my ability to justify.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efes_Beverage_Group

In addition to its flagship Pilsener, Efes also produces several other beers, including Efes Dark (double-roasted malt lager with 6.5% alcohol and hints of caramel), Efes Light (a 122.7-calorie and 3.0% ABV take on the original), Efes Xtra (a hoppier, 7.5% ABV lager), Efes Ice (a softer, more aromatic, ice-brewed version with 4.2% alcohol), and Efes Dark Brown (a 6.1% ABV double-roasted malt lager with a distinct coffee and chocolate bouquet). All Efes products sold in Turkey use high fructose corn syrup.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
Other brands under the Efes Beverage Group are Gusta (5.0% ABV), the company's wheat beer brand; Mariachi, under which the lime or agave-flavored beers Mariachi (4.2% ABV) and Mariachi Black (6.0% ABV) are produced; Marmara, under which the strong-beers Marmara Kırmızı (6.1% ABV) and Marmara Gold (4.1% ABV) are produced.

____ ____ ____

A Muslim Nation would never allow such a thing. But there's Turkey, the exception to the rules - always the exception to the rules. Damn.

Scimi

 

[anatolian]

I just put a video up of the House of Saud which was removed by the mods lol and that video wasn't exactly speaking highly of them.

In the past, countless threads and posts I have made against the leaders of Muslim nations and their politics being in direct contradiction of Islamic values have also gone missing.

But when it comes to Turkey, somehow the forum mods don't do anything.

Maybe the mods have problems with Turkey like you.

And your biggest problem is you think that you know so much about Turkey and Turkish people but yet you haven't even lived in Turkey any while. You have just visited Istanbul a long time ago and you think that you have achieved enough infornmation about these people. How can this be possible? I clearly understand what sort of people you are reffering to when you blame them with nonsense and I agree you on this. But there are much much more people in Turkey than you know and most of them have quite a healthy understanding of Turkish nationalism. The real Turkish nationalist do not sees him/herself superior or others inferior but they see themselves the members of the Ummah. The real Turkish nationalists feel themselves responsible of other Muslims and be with them as much as they can. The real Turkish nationalist knows that Allah has bestowen a role on this nation and acts in the responsibility of it which is Islam's itself...I just encourage you to know more Turks..That will be beneficial to you..

 

[sister herb]

The real Turkish nationalist knows that Allah has bestowen a role on this nation and acts in the responsibility of it which is Islam's itself

How? I mean how they know this? Is it said in some hadith or what?

 

[anatolian]

How? I mean how they know this? Is it said in some hadith or what?

Yes there are Hadith about Turks. Also history proves itself.

 

[sister herb]

Could someone post this hadith to here?