We Will Never Unite With The Rafidah - Shaykh Ahmad Musa Jibril

sister herb said:
What scares me is some people whose use some religion as justify their hate against other people they don´t know at all but whose belong to some other group (religion or nation or race). It´s only a small step when some others may also justify the violence against others by the same arguments. And it has already happend. Many many times.
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We hate the disbelievers and we love the believers. We hate the disobedient Muslims according to their level of disobedience, and we love them for their level of of obedience.*‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Umar*(may Allaah be pleased with him) was going between Safaa and Marwah (making ‘Umrah) when a long-bearded man, a mu’ath-thin of the Haram, said to him, “O Abaa ‘Abdir-Rahmaan! I love you for the sake of Allaah!” He replied,*“But I hate you for the sake of Allaah!”*His companions blamed him for that, but he defended himself, saying: “He goes overboard in (calling) the athaan, and he takes money for it!” (Musannaf*of ‘Abdur-Razzaaq, 1/481) Al-Albaanee authenticated it in*as-Silsilah as-Saheehah*(1/104).


I don't mean to argue but

Can you please tell me how you put your head around this then, If we shouldn't hate kuffar?


I think that you can love and hate someone at the same time as per the proof shown in the above post.


Also, I am aware that people can take these concepts to extremes and it can be a horrible thing but also we should be concerned about making these things impact us so that we go on the total opposite side of their extremism(not that I think you are) rather we should have moderation




إِنَّ لِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ طَرَفَيْنِ وَوَسَطًا فَإِذَا أَمْسَكْتَ بِأَحَدِ الطَّرَفَيْنِ مَالَ الآخَرُ وَإِذَا أَمْسَكْتَ بِالْوَسَطِ اعْتَدَلَ الطَّرَفَانِ ثُمَّ قَالَ عَلَيْكُمْ بِالأَوْسَطِ مِنَ الأَشْيَاءِ

Verily, everything has two ends and a middle. If you hold one of the ends, the other will be skewed. If you hold the middle, the two ends will be balanced. You must seek the middle ground in all things.

Source:*Hilyat Al-Awliya 4818
 
bro, I will never love someone like I Love Allah.

i don't love kuffar for their kufr, i hate them for that. That does not mean I hate them completely. I just hate that they disbelieve.

Just like one may hate his brother because he lies a lot. If ya get me.

It is like this:

"What do you hate about the kuffar?"

Answer: their kufr, and their kufr ways. But when confronting kuffar, we don't know, we shouldn't confront them with preconcieved hatred and judgment.

Allahu alam.
 
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Serinity said:
bro, I will never love someone like I Love Allah. i don't love kuffar for their kufr, i hate them for that. That does not mean I hate them completely. I just hate that they disbelieve. Just like one may hate his brother because he lies a lot. If ya get me.It is like this:"What do you hate about the kuffar?"Answer: their kufr, and their kufr ways. But when confronting kuffar, we don't know, we shouldn't confront them with preconcieved hatred and judgment. Allahu alam.
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let alone kuffar, Muslims are hating each other because they differ in sectarian ideology. Mainly scholars of their respective sects are selling hatred packages and their blind followers take interest in hatred shopping
 
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Zeal said:
We hate the disbelievers and we love the believers. We hate the disobedient Muslims according to their level of disobedience, and we love them for their level of of obedience.*‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Umar*(may Allaah be pleased with him) was going between Safaa and Marwah (making ‘Umrah) when a long-bearded man, a mu’ath-thin of the Haram, said to him, “O Abaa ‘Abdir-Rahmaan! I love you for the sake of Allaah!” He replied,*“But I hate you for the sake of Allaah!”*His companions blamed him for that, but he defended himself, saying: “He goes overboard in (calling) the athaan, and he takes money for it!” (Musannaf*of ‘Abdur-Razzaaq, 1/481) Al-Albaanee authenticated it in*as-Silsilah as-Saheehah*(1/104).


I don't mean to argue but

Can you please tell me how you put your head around this then, If we shouldn't hate kuffar?


I think that you can love and hate someone at the same time as per the proof shown in the above post.


Also, I am aware that people can take these concepts to extremes and it can be a horrible thing but also we should be concerned about making these things impact us so that we go on the total opposite side of their extremism(not that I think you are) rather we should have moderation




إِنَّ لِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ طَرَفَيْنِ وَوَسَطًا فَإِذَا أَمْسَكْتَ بِأَحَدِ الطَّرَفَيْنِ مَالَ الآخَرُ وَإِذَا أَمْسَكْتَ بِالْوَسَطِ اعْتَدَلَ الطَّرَفَانِ ثُمَّ قَالَ عَلَيْكُمْ بِالأَوْسَطِ مِنَ الأَشْيَاءِ

Verily, everything has two ends and a middle. If you hold one of the ends, the other will be skewed. If you hold the middle, the two ends will be balanced. You must seek the middle ground in all things.

Source:*Hilyat Al-Awliya 4818
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You have answered your own question. Always take the middle ground, it is the teachings of our Prophet PBUH. That is not to say we accept kufr but we can not and should not be harsh with them or behave towards them like they are animals and we are superior. We hate their acts of kufr, of course we do. I for one hate that many if not all of the kafir in my age group love drinking, its a disgusting habit, one that affects them and society (billions of pounds to the British government to combat alcohol related diseases and issues) but that does not mean I will refuse to speak to them or treat them like human beings.

Ultimately, how I behave to them and the kindnesses and manners I show (Prophet Muhammad PBUH said, "I have been sent down to you to perfect your manners) may turn them towards Islam. Were many of the sahabah before Islam not ignorant? Were they not alcoholics and killers of children? Were they not low before Allah raised them up?

So do not take someone kufar as a means of hating that person in all conditions, because one day their Islam may be superior to yours.

btw I have not watched the video but I will when I get a bit more time.
 
Born_Believer said:
You have answered your own question. Always take the middle ground, it is the teachings of our Prophet PBUH. That is not to say we accept kufr but we can not and should not be harsh with them or behave towards them like they are animals and we are superior. We hate their acts of kufr, of course we do. I for one hate that many if not all of the kafir in my age group love drinking, its a disgusting habit, one that affects them and society (billions of pounds to the British government to combat alcohol related diseases and issues) but that does not mean I will refuse to speak to them or treat them like human beings.

Ultimately, how I behave to them and the kindnesses and manners I show (Prophet Muhammad PBUH said, "I have been sent down to you to perfect your manners) may turn them towards Islam. Were many of the sahabah before Islam not ignorant? Were they not alcoholics and killers of children? Were they not low before Allah raised them up?

So do not take someone kufar as a means of hating that person in all conditions, because one day their Islam may be superior to yours.

btw I have not watched the video but I will when I get a bit more time.
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I think people not watching the video and jumping to conclusion is one of the problems with the mess in this thread.


And we were in the middle of a conversation so you don't even seem to understand what I'm fully talking about.


The way I see it is that you should hate kuffar in some ways i.e due to kufr but you shouldn't act violently towards them rather invite them nicely generally speaking and behave as the prophet :saws: advised us
 
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azc said:
when you see others are hating us then why Muslims should hate each other....? When the time will come to be united as an ummah...?
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We hate people of bid'ah and the wrongdoers because of their evil.

The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: "The strongest bond of faith lies in loving and hating for Allah's sake" [ al-Bazzar ].

Allah says:
You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. 58:22

[FONT=&quot]Abu Ishaaq al-Hamadaani said: The one who shows respect to the follower of innovation has helped to destroy Islam.
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http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=85074
 
azc said:
let alone kuffar, Muslims are hating each other because they differ in sectarian ideology. Mainly scholars of their respective sects are selling hatred packages and their blind followers take interest in hatred shopping
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Some are trying to shove a madhab down my throat. Oh wait, it's you lol.

Don't you feel a bit hypocritical right now?

You just claimed Muslims hate on each other over silly matters such as sectarian matters - which would include Madhabs due to the sepaartion between "schools of thought" (madhabs)... yet you've been arguing with me on that other thread attempting to force me into a madhab.

azc said:
when you discuss any topic with me, keep remember what you've written in other posts.
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You just lost all credibility now. Ironic.

Hope you are satisfied.

Scimi
 
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Scimitar said:
Some are trying to shove a madhab down my throat. Oh wait, it's you lol. Don't you feel a bit hypocritical right now?You just claimed Muslims hate on each other over silly matters such as sectarian matters - which would include Madhabs due to the sepaartion between "schools of thought" (madhabs)... yet you've been arguing with me on that other thread attempting to force me into a madhab.You just lost all credibility now. Ironic.Hope you are satisfied.Scimi
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No, dude, this is unfair. I've never forced you to follow a madhab nor do I to others as it's the personal matter of individuals but at least there should be a genuine reason to prove your views which satisfies us as well. Can you prove..?
 
azc said:
No, dude, this is unfair. I've never forced you to follow a madhab nor do I to others as it's the personal matter of individuals but at least there should be a genuine reason to prove your views which satisfies us as well. Can you prove..?
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You couldn't force us if you tried, but it has not escaped our notice how you've constantly tried to make a case for madhabs even though those of us who refrain from following one - have no problem with those that do follow one.

You seem to think, one cannot be a Muslim without a madhab based on the opinion of a scholar - had no ideas scholars received revelation lol. Oh wait - that was sarcasm. Just have to point that out. In case you think I was being serious lol.

The comment is controversially important - did your scholar get told by Allah or an Angel that Madhabs are a MUST otherwise one is not able to follow their deen?

Obviously not. So please do tell me, on what authority did your scholar make such an erroneous and haughty claim?

Scimi
 
islamdude said:
We hate people of bid'ah and the wrongdoers because of their evil.The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: "The strongest bond of faith lies in loving and hating for Allah's sake" [ al-Bazzar ].Allah says:You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. 58:22[FONT=&quot]Abu Ishaaq al-Hamadaani said: The one who shows respect to the follower of innovation has helped to destroy Islam.[/FONT]http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=85074
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Not showing hatred or not hating someone doesn't stand for respecting an innovator. How do you conclude it. You are free to hate. Keep on hating. who can stop you..? Perhaps you hate everyone except your own like minded people and ilk.
 
Zeal said:
I think people not watching the video and jumping to conclusion is one of the problems with the mess in this thread.


And we were in the middle of a conversation so you don't even seem to understand what I'm fully talking about.


The way I see it is that you should hate kuffar in some ways i.e due to kufr but you shouldn't act violently towards them rather invite them nicely generally speaking and behave as the prophet :saws: advised us
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That's literally what I've just said and it's also what I thought you were saying lol

And I shall watch the video before I comment further, although my post was not about the video but rather what you said.
 
Scimitar said:
You couldn't force us if you tried, but it has not escaped our notice how you've constantly tried to make a case for madhabs even though those of us who refrain from following one - have no problem with those that do follow one.You seem to think, one cannot be a Muslim without a madhab based on the opinion of a scholar - had no ideas scholars received revelation lol. Oh wait - that was sarcasm. Just have to point that out. In case you think I was being serious lol.The comment is controversially important - did your scholar get told by Allah or an Angel that Madhabs are a MUST otherwise one is not able to follow their deen?Obviously not. So please do tell me, on what authority did your scholar make such an erroneous and haughty claim?Scimi
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''Ittabioo sabeela man annaba ilayya (surah luqman)
 
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These Kaafirs hate Islaam and the Muslims. Well, Islaam and the Muslims hate them much more than that.

They imagine that the lands belong to them. All of this earth and everything in existence belongs to Allaah Ta`aalaa. It's only a matter of time before their land gets Taken from under their feet.

Despicable worshippers of Shaytaan.

Let's see if they'll be getting any "toasted bacon and banana sarmies" in Jahannam.
 
The Media is censored by the kuffar militants. The wars in middle east are edited to look less barbaric, justifying the wars in syria, etc.

They hate us, and I hate them more. Every time a so-called Muslim / middle easterner, bombs a place, it is called "Islamic Terror" but when it is one of their own, it is called "a shooting" or something, and you'd be hard-pressed to find the word "terror".

But while I do hate kuffar like those you have linked, and I hate their guts. I think it is pertinent we do not approach every kafir with preconcieved hatred. There is no way I can or ever will love them, unless they turn to Islam, because loving them is contrary to Islam.

I hate their disbelief, and if that disbelief becomes their personality, I hate their personality too.

Is there anyone who is capable of ruling by the laws of Allah, today?

But, correct me if I am wrong, even if most of them hate us, we should still do as Allah commanded us, and everytime we meet kuffar we don't know, we should treat them without prejudgmental thoughts, etc. And if it turns out they hate Islam and are toxic, don't talk with them.

There is no way I can love them for their beliefs, cause that is impossible, to love a kafir for their kufr and be a Muslim. I hate them for their beliefs, and depending on how much they are consumed by it, and stuff, I hate them more.

I am pretty sure, that since it is in our Fitrah (Al-barra) that when faced with a situation, and if one Loves Allah, that one will either come to hate or love.

Hating a kafir for their disbelief, is like hating a rapist for their rape, or a murderer for their mass murder. While I may hate a kafir for their disbelief, depending on the person, I may not hate them completely (Hate their kufr side, while not necessarily hating their personality)

I see hating for the sake of Allah, as a protective "thing" (for a lack of a better word) from haram.

Say, we fear Allah, but that does not mean we do not love Allah. Fearing Allah, is different from the natural fear of fearing a snake, or a danger. Right?
Allahu alam.
 
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Of course, the Muslim will adopt the Akhlaaq which the Deen of Islaam commands him to. When dealing with those Kaafirs who are not at war with Islaam (or in support of war with Islaam), then he will deal with them in a good, just manner. When giving Da`wah to them, he will do so nicely.

If a person thoroughly studies the Seerah of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and the lives of the Sahaabah, all his confusion will vanish. They will understand what is meant by al-Walaa wal-Baraa. Despite having the highest level of al-Walaa wal-Baraa, many people accepted Islaam simply by seeing the Akhlaaq of the Sahaabah.

A person won't understand al-Walaa wal-Baraa from one lecture. He should see it in action, so to speak. To do that, let him study the Seerah thoroughly and the lives of the Sahaabah thoroughly. That way he will understand it fully.

If you are looking for a Kitaab of Seerah to study, then a very good one which has been translated into English is "Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtoom" (The Sealed Nectar) by Shaykh Safi-ur-Rahmaan Mubaarakpuri. The Kitaab was originally written in Arabic but it is has been translated.
 
I completely understand. Without seeing - reading of a live example, it may be misunderstood, like it was with me.

Ask yourself "Can you love a kafir for their kufr" if you have imaan, you can not. you can only hate them for their kufr. That does not mean we hate their personality.

It is impossible to be a Muslim and love kuffar for their Kufr. Cause the one who does that, Is a kafir, if not, a shaytaan. Cause you are basically saying "I love deviance, I am pleased with people disbelieving".

It is possible to hate a kafir based on their kufr, without hating their personality (say they are atheists, but their manners are still good (talk decent, have hayah, etc.) you wouldn't hate their personality, right? but you'd still hate their kufr side.

There is no way to be neutral in this. tbh.

Allahu alam.
 
Serinity said:
I completely understand. Without seeing - reading of a live example, it may be misunderstood, like it was with me.

Ask yourself "Can you love a kafir for their kufr" if you have imaan, you can not. you can only hate them for their kufr. That does not mean we hate their personality.

It is impossible to be a Muslim and love kuffar for their Kufr. Cause the one who does that, Is a kafir, if not, a shaytaan. Cause you are basically saying "I love deviance, I am pleased with people disbelieving".

It is possible to hate a kafir based on their kufr, without hating their personality (say they are atheists, but their manners are still good (talk decent, have hayah, etc.) you wouldn't hate their personality, right? but you'd still hate their kufr side.

There is no way to be neutral in this. tbh.

Allahu alam.
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brother i have been reading your posts on this thread and i am sick and tired of not saying anything....you can't call shias rapists and murderers, because not all of them are, most of them aren't, and most don't support rape or murder.....i have actually talked to shias and they say assad is the lesser of the evils, not someone to admire.....i have had enough of your hatred, and i want to remind you what it would feel like if some kaafir told you youre a terrorist because youre a sunni muslim....seriously, how would you feel if a kaafir called you al qaeda, or isis, or taleban, or uncivilized??
 
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seriously, how would you feel if a kaafir called you al qaeda, or isis, or taleban, or uncivilized??
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I know you're addressing the question to Serinity, but if it was me, my answer would be:

"So what? They can feel free to call me any of that. Why would I care what a Kaafir calls me?"

But to understand that, you would need to understand the kind of mindset I have. Let me give you an example:

I'm sure you have seen lots of flies in your life. Right? Have you ever one day sat and thought, "I wonder what that fly thinks of me. What names does he call me??" I'm taking a guess here, but probably your answer will be: "No, I have not thought that." Why? Because it doesn't matter to you what that fly thinks.

So to me, those Kaafirs screaming "Terrorists! Backward! Old-Fashioned! Patriarchal! Narrow-Minded!" and whatever else, they are like flies.

I'll mention something else, as well. If there was a "Dislike" button in addition to the "Like" button, this post of mine right here would be swamped with "Dislikes". But it's a fact.

Just do what you are supposed to do. Follow Islaam. Follow the Sunnah properly. If you know that you have not done anything wrong, then if people accuse you or insult, who gives a monkey's...
 

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