Which Maddhab do you follow?

[azc]

I could not understand your question. I am trying to explain a point. If it is not the answer, then please make your question clear. Someone may wonder how to know about the sanad /truth of a hadeeth, whether it is truly from Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam! If a Muslim trusts Allah (and what type of Muslim will not trust Allah?), then he/she must start understanding the Holy Quraan by reading it with the translation and tafseer (explanation) little by little every day. He/she shall realize the miraculous nature of the Holy Quraan. In addition to the spiritual pleasure and peace of mind, he/she shall also get a very deep understanding and hikmah (wisdom) by the Mercy of Allah Azza wa Jall. So after that the Muslim shall be able to see a hadeeth in the light of the Holy Quraan and shall easily understand if the Hadeeth is true!!! To such a Muslim the matan (contents) of a hadeeth is important and not the chain of narrators. This is my experience and I heard the same from many scholars. We must trust Allah that Allah has put such wisdom in HIS miraculous Book that a sincere person shall get fully guided and shall not feel any difficulty in the understanding of the true ahaadeeth. Such a reader will also be able insha-Allah to recognize forged hadeeth and discard it.

no, my question is different. Plz see my post again

 

[OmAbdullah]

no, my question is different. Plz see my post again

Make your question clear. Write it in clear words.

 

[azc]

Make your question clear. Write it in clear words.

O.k. I take this Q from other angle: you pray salah and you know that we need to take care of fara'idh, wajibat, sunnah and mustabbat of salah. Do you know these terms and their explanation..?

 

[fyi]

Assalaamo alaikum'


You think that there is no difference between the four and we have no restrictions to follow anyone. If you observe the new Muslims in the west, you will see that they say; there are 4 schools of thoughts. Then a sincere new Muslim, instead of opening the Holy Quraan directly, will go into a big diversion and will search for the books written by people to find which of the class is the best to follow!!! So the Quraan which is the Book of Allah Almighty is left and forgotten about, also the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam is left behind. What is chosen to study and understand will be the long books of fiqh written by common people.


Also you will see that many Muslims say that when you select one Madhhab then you remain sticking to it, you cannot change it to the other one!!! This is what makes me very upset. They made the scholar they follow as prophet and they believe that in the Hereafter they will be questioned about it!!!


I sincerely inform all readers that it is only Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam Who has that status, we will be asked about Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam and about the Quraan. These two are the first and the last/final to be followed. Any Muslim, a scholar or a non-scolar, who says things in accordance with these two, I accept their words and respect them.


The four scholars of the 4 madhahib didn't make madhahib. They only taught people the Quraan and Sunnah. Even about Imaam Hanbal I read a true story which proves that he didn't tell people his name so that they might not know him as a popular imam. But all these developments are the later happenings at the hands of others who want:


1. to complicate the understanding of Islam as a way of life'

2. to keep the Muslims away from Quraan and the Sunnah.

Just look at the result. Most of the Muslims became unaware of the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah and thus the Whole Ummah became so weak that the enemies find it very easy to wipe it out. Only this status of our Ummah is now the best proof to a sincere Muslim to understand that we are not on the right path.


The Final Words of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam for us are: I leave among you TWO THINGS, the Book of Allah and my Sunnah, whoever holds fast to these two will never go astray.


The words of the Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam shall remain true till the last Day. Then why are now so many Muslims going out of the fold of Islam???


The Answer is: The Muslims are not trying to understand the Quraan and Sunnah. There are many who divert them from the 2 sources towards many fiqh books. So they are ignorant and confused and those who divert them are
responsible in the COURT OF ALLH

That's false.
Firstly when someone becomes muslim they don't even know what fiqh is.
Secondly, we have no prophet today. We can't ask anyone but someone who knows. That's where these 4 maddhab play their role. It is important that muslims who are new to the deen understand what Islam is truly. When I read the Quran without a teacher than it feels you can perceive it in any way possible. This is where it ends up being dangerous.

The 4 books are nothing more than hadith that are explained. You are being arrogant without realising the mistake you are making.

Every single problem we have today are caused by people who think they are a shayk after reading the Quran once. That's not how it works. All the Quranists we have today, all the terrorists we have today are ALL caused your ideology.

There's really no point in discussing this matter with someone who doesn't want to look further then the 4 books. It's not the books that are important I myself haven't read the Hanafi book nor did any, NOT ANY of my acquaintances read the book completely. I only search and find whatever answer I need and try to not fall for my own personal desires when reading something.

 

[fyi]

btw I just read the admins post and I suggest you read it aswell.
It's a far more detailed explaination why the fiqh is so important and it shouldn't be ignored. However Fiqh is not important for me, you or anyone who enters the deen today. Fiqh is for those who want to commit to understanding the deen not for those who want to live the deen. There's a big difference between them.

 

[Scimitar]

There's really no point in discussing this matter with someone who doesn't want to look further then the 4 books. It's not the books that are important I myself haven't read the Hanafi book nor did any, NOT ANY of my acquaintances read the book completely. I only search and find whatever answer I need and try to not fall for my own personal desires when reading something.

Your own personal desires, you say, meaning, questions which do not pertain to your practice of Islam, per se?

Have you ever referred to the madhab explanations in matters of practicing your deen? And if so, when?

Scimi

 

[OmAbdullah]

Implying they are 'sects'...

Look at the current problems of the middle-east, they are all caused by people who thought they knew better. They started to use the Quran in their own interest.

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This is the worst attack on the Holy Quraan which is a Book of Allah the All-Mighty. Although you may be doing it unknowingly and not intentionally, but you are frightening people from the understanding of the Holy Quraan which is a very big sin.

Every reader must note it that the Arab world is suffering, rather it is getting killed in abundance due to the fact that they are the first to discard the Holy Quraan. I don't say about a few ones who may be in contact with the Holy Quraan and thus may be very good. But most of them are the lovers of the Western culture and have thrown the Quraan and Sunnah at their backs.


See this is the justice of Allah Azza wa Jall that they are caught first. They understand the Holy Quraan very well because it is in their language. They must be the first to follow it and convey its massage to the whole world but they left it and many of them did very wrong things like:
They changed their language from Arabic to amiyyah which is a strange invented language. So now they are called Arabs but most of them do not understand the Holy Quraan because the language of the Holy Quraan is Fus-ha Arabic.

Although they cannot change the text of the Holy Quraan because Allah Azza wa Jall preserved it, but they attacked it in whatever way they could! So they;

1. removed the names of the ajza (30 parts). Now it is only part 1,2.... without names.

2. They removed the two du'aa from the end of the Holy Quraan. One du'aa is short to be read after daily recitation and the other one is long to be read after finishing the whole Quraan.

3. They removed the words Makki and Madani from each surah so that now the reader doesn't know when and where was this surah revealed.

4. they changed the stop signs. by changing waqfi-laazim to a minor sigh, the meaning of the verse are attacked. I can prove it with examples.

5. As in the Ajam countries the Quraan had the original form so Syria managed to send the newly printed Qurans to Pakistan. There these were given to the imams to distribute them among the people.

See, Quraan is the Book of Allah All-Mighty. Allah is closely watching every thing. Allah again and again said in the Holy Quraan;

Inn-Allaha bima ta'maloona baser. (Surely, Allah is watching what you do).

So now we see that a terrible fitnah came upon Syria, such fitnah which has no end!!! The Syrians are killed in many horrible ways like starvation, bombing and crushing to death, burning in fire bombs and poisoning with chlorine bombs and more....

إن في ذالك لآية

( Surely in this is a sign)

So fear o Muslims, don't play with the Book of Allah and/or the Sunnah of Allah's Prophet salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. Allah gives time and then catches and the catching of Allah is aleemun-shadeed (very painful and very severe).


Madhhab means a way. Islam is a Deen and Madhhab. I have chosen it and I follow Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam, I can learn it from any scholar of the Holy Quraan and the Sunnah but I don't give it a different name. So Islam is my Deen and Madh-hab.

 

[azc]

https://archive.org/stream/IslamicF...aqlid and its Detractors in this age_djvu.txt

 

[Scimitar]

Random thought,

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Islam began as a something strange and it will return to being strange, so blessed are the strangers.”

So, when Mahdi is here, will he do away with the madhabs? Because he will be the "rightly guided khaliph" ???

Scimi

 

[Umm♥Layth]

There's people from all walks of life with different levels of imaan, levels of understanding,levels of ambition, different personality types and different priorities. Islam is a religion for all people, so naturally there has to be options.

The way I see it, madhabs are a bit like training wheels. You use them as you learn to think on your own and eventually you won't have to rely on them to follow your deen properly.

Some people prefer to have a set of rules and regulations to ensure they stay on the straight path and there's nothing wrong with that. All madhabs lead to the same place anyway. They were created to facilitate the path for people and if they are causing confusion it is user error lol.

No, the prophet (saw) didn't have a madhab, but he wasn't weak in his imaan. People today lack common sense and focus, I mean we have cucumber fatwas and skinny jean hijabs. That's our state right now and having the 4 madhabs is a big blessing in times like these where people have difficulty thinking on their own.

I've been a Muslim for over a decade Alhamdullilah, and at first I used the Hanafi madhab. Eventually I started to follow Shafi'i as I felt it better suited my thinking and now I rarely have to refer to it. When I have a doubt, I usually compare all 4 madhabs and try to understand the why's and how's of their rules. If you compare them all, you will notice that each Imaam was dealing with different people in different times and locations. Rules were made according to that so it won't necessarily apply to you today, it will depend on your state, your surroundings and level of understanding.

Ultimately, Islam is very simple to follow, but due to our nature, we can easily warp things and corrupt our religion. Just have a look at the "sex with a condom is halal" thread on this very forum, lol. ^o)

 

[azc]

Random thought, Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Islam began as a something strange and it will return to being strange, so blessed are the strangers.” So, when Mahdi is here, will he do away with the madhabs? Because he will be the "rightly guided khaliph" ??? Scimi

agree and nor the books of ahadith. Hz sahaba ikram ra didn't read these books as they were not written then

 

[OmAbdullah]

1. Sunnah is a very comprehensive term which here means the method / way of the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him). It means the way or method which the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) used to apply the Holy Quraan practically. His whole life that passed according to Islam is His Sunnah and that is a model for us to follow.

2. Hadeeth is the sayings ,actions and approvals of the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him). Like the Holy Quraan, ahadeeth also came to Him from Allah. In some the meanings were from Allah and the words were that of the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) but in hadeeth Al-Qudsee both words and meanings are from Allah.

Let me pose some simple questions to explain why it is a fallacy to call lay people to abandon Fiqh and follow just Qur'an and Hadith:

Allah

says in the Qur'an:
أُحِلَّ لَكُمْ صَيْدُ الْبَحْرِ وَطَعَامُهُ مَتَاعًا لَّكُمْ وَلِلسَّيَّارَةِ ۖ وَحُرِّمَ عَلَيْكُمْ صَيْدُ الْبَرِّ مَا دُمْتُمْ حُرُمًا ۗ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ الَّذِي إِلَيْهِ تُحْشَرُونَ

Lawful to you is game from the sea and its food as provision for you and the travelers, but forbidden to you is game from the land as long as you are in the state of ihram. And fear Allah to whom you will be gathered. [5:96]

It is normally understood from this Ayah that seafood is Halal for us. But we find several types of creatures in the sea, such as sea snakes,

tube worms, Squids, Jellyfish, octopus, seahorse, sea pig, frogs, crocodile etc. Are these all supposed to be halal? If not, then what is the criteria for finding out what is Halal from sea creatures and what is not?

3. Another translation of the verse 5:96 is:


5;96. Lawful to you is game from the sea and its food as provision for you and the travelers, but forbidden to you is game from the land as long as you are in the state of ihram. And fear Allah to whom you will be gathered.



In this verse Allah Azza wa Jall made the sea food lawful for us all but prohibited hunting from land in the state of ihram.


About the sea food the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) said in a hadeeth that the ocean water is tahoorah (clean and cleaning, so you can make wudoo with it). And its dead is halaal.


Also we must see the verse 14 of the surah Al-Nahl (AN-Nahl), its translation is:


(16:14) And He it is Who has subjected the sea that you may eat fresh fish from it and bring forth ornaments from it that you can wear. And you see ships ploughing their course through it so that you may go forth seeking His Bounty[SUP]11[/SUP] and be grateful to Him.


Surah Al-Nahl (An-Nahl) 14


Here in this verse Allah has used the words lahmah tariyyah which is translated here into fresh fish but another translation of the same is tender meat.


Now we will see all of these texts of the above two verses and one hadeeth. The clear meaning is that Allah has made halaal for us the sea food /fish etc. As you know oceans have abundant fish and it is not in deep water so it is very easily available. Also our minds /hearts want to eat fish not snakes or worms or sea pigs. Those things are not abundant, are just very rare. For a sea pig one has to go very deep and even then may not find it. So the questions are useless and only cause complication. The verses and hadeeth are very clear, telling us that while we are not in ihram, we can eat the fresh sea fish/fresh meat from the sea both at rest and during journey.


Everything is halaal from sea in need. But when the fresh meat of so many fish is available then why should a faqeeh need worms or snakes etc from a sea. In case he or you want them then hunt them, no restrictions.

At another place, Allah

says:
ۚ وَإِذَا حَلَلْتُمْ فَاصْطَادُوا ۚ
... when you come out of ihram, then hunt. [5:2]

Can anyone say how important it is for a person to go hunting after coming out of ihram? Is it Fardh? because Allah

is commanding it. Or is it Wajib or Sunnah or Nafl?

Respected readers, please read the full translation of this verse 5;2:



(5:2) Believers! Neither desecrate the symbols of (devotion to) Allah,[SUP]5[/SUP] nor the holy month, nor the animals of offering, nor the animals wearing collars indicating they are for sacrifice, nor ill-treat those who have set out for the Holy House seeking from their Lord His bounty and good pleasure.[SUP]6[/SUP] But once you are free from Pilgrimage obligations, you are free to hunt.[SUP]7[/SUP] Do not let your wrath against the people who have barred you from the Holy Mosque move you to commit undue transgressions;[SUP]8[/SUP] rather, help one another in acts of righteousness and piety, and do not help one another in sin and transgression. Fear Allah. Surely Allah is severe in retribution.


Exp.note 7



7. Ihram is also one of the symbols of God and violation of any of the prohibitions which should be observed in that state is an act of sacrilege. The prohibition of hunting while in the state of ihram is mentioned in connection with the desecration of the symbols of God. When ihram is over, the prohibitions become void, and one is permitted to hunt.
***********************************************************************************


Another simpler translation of the same verse is:


(5;2) O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allah or [the sanctity of] the sacred month or [neglect the marking of] the sacrificial animals and garlanding [them] or [violate the safety of] those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and [His] approval. But when you come out of ihram, then [you may] hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.


You can clearly see that here Allah allowed the Muslims to hunt when they are not in ihram. So the prohibition from hunting was in ihram and freedom is given for hunting out of ihram. Is there any complication in understanding this verse??
But the sorrowful thing is that a small part of an aayat is separated from the rest of the verse and a wrong meaning is given to it just to make confusion in understanding the verse!!!

Now for a few examples from Hadith

:
عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ كَانَ إِذَا افْتَتَحَ الصَّلاَةَ قَالَ ‏ "‏ سُبْحَانَكَ اللَّهُمَّ وَبِحَمْدِكَ تَبَارَكَ اسْمُكَ وَتَعَالَى جَدُّكَ وَلاَ إِلَهَ غَيْرُكَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏
It was narrated from ‘Aishah

that when the Prophet

started Salat he would say:
“Subhanak Allahumma wa bi hamdika, wa tabarakas- muka wa ta’ala jadduka, wa la ilaha ghayruk (Glory and praise is to You, O Allah, blessed is Your Name and exalted is Your majesty, none has the right to be worshipped but You).” [

Ibn Majah]

What is the ruling for reciting the above at the start of prayer, is it Fardh, Wajib, Sunnah or Nafl?
If someone forgets to recite this, then does he have to repeat his whole prayer? Or does he have to perform Sajdah Sahw? Or he doesn't have to do anything and his prayer will be valid?

Since I started making prayer (since childhood), I have been reading “Subhanak Allahumma wa bi hamdika, wa tabarakas- muka wa ta’ala jadduka, wa la ilaha ghayruk”


and I never forget it. This is because my parents taught me like this. If the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) opened salaat with this praising of Allah then why shouldn’t we??? From where do the fuqaha bring the explanation. Do they have special connection with Allah?? No! Not at all!


They also will depend upon explanation from the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him).


The Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) has clearly explained that Al-Faatihah is compulsory in qiyaam on every person. Without Al-Faatiha the raka’t is not valid. Moreover He (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) fully explained everything and started and continued salaat in congregation. Then since His time until now adhaan, iqaamah, wudoo and salaat are the hadeeth mutawaatar (continuous hadeeth). Numerous Muslims make wudoo and then salaat in the whole world since the time of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam. Every new Muslim can go to a near by Masjid and learn how to make wudoo and salaat. He/she doesn’t have to open the books of Hadeeth for learning wudoo.


I have clearly read that the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) used to emphasize tathleeth (to wash every part three times) and to start from the right side i.e. first wash right arm and then left, first right foot and then left. The same principle He gave for taking bath.


Why did some people use the word pitfall for hadeeth Nabawee salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam? This is a blasphemy. Did Allah gave HIS Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) so many pitfalls for His Ummah and are now the fuqaha correcting those pitfalls for us???


This is a horrible attack at the honor of Allah Azza wa Jall as well as on the honor of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam!!! It seems like this Ummah has no sense of esteem now. This must be the reason that cruel unbelievers are left on this Ummah in many parts of the world. I wonder if today a companion of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam was here and had read the words pitfall for a Hadeeth of the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) then what would be his reaction to the speakers of this word???

و أفوض امرى الى الله إن الله بصير بالعباد

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Now we will see all of these texts of the above two verses and one hadeeth. The clear meaning is that Allah has made halaal for us the sea food /fish etc. As you know oceans have abundant fish and it is not in deep water so it is very easily available. Also our minds /hearts want to eat fish not snakes or worms or sea pigs. Those things are not abundant, are just very rare. For a sea pig one has to go very deep and even then may not find it. So the questions are useless and only cause complication. The verses and hadeeth are very clear, telling us that while we are not in ihram, we can eat the fresh sea fish/fresh meat from the sea both at rest and during journey.


Everything is halaal from sea in need. But when the fresh meat of so many fish is available then why should a faqeeh need worms or snakes etc from a sea. In case he or you want them then hunt them, no restrictions.

Ideally, that would be case and people would only eat fish. But practically, that is not the case. There are several places on earth where people eat crabs, prawn and many other sea creatures. The Fuqaha study all the relevant Ayaat and Ahadeeth and derive the rulings from them. They explain the Deen to us, they do not create their own rulings as commonly misunderstood by many people.

Respected readers, please read the full translation of this verse 5;2:

(5:2) Believers! Neither desecrate the symbols of (devotion to) Allah,5 nor the holy month, nor the animals of offering, nor the animals wearing collars indicating they are for sacrifice, nor ill-treat those who have set out for the Holy House seeking from their Lord His bounty and good pleasure.6 But once you are free from Pilgrimage obligations, you are free to hunt.7 Do not let your wrath against the people who have barred you from the Holy Mosque move you to commit undue transgressions;8 rather, help one another in acts of righteousness and piety, and do not help one another in sin and transgression. Fear Allah. Surely Allah is severe in retribution.

Exp.note 7

7. Ihram is also one of the symbols of God and violation of any of the prohibitions which should be observed in that state is an act of sacrilege. The prohibition of hunting while in the state of ihram is mentioned in connection with the desecration of the symbols of God. When ihram is over, the prohibitions become void, and one is permitted to hunt.

See, the problem here is you are relying on a translator's note to understand the context.

I don't say your explanation is wrong. What we say is, the translator or a Tafsir scholar has the knowledge of the Qur'an and he can explain the context and details. But the level of Faqeeh is much higher than that, because a Faqeeh studies all other branches of Deen.

Being a mufassir is not sufficient for a person to be able to derive Shar'i rulings from Qur'an. He has to understand the Ahadeeth, the Seerah, actions of the Sahabah and how they understood the concept and several other aspects of Deen.

Another simpler translation of the same verse is:

(5;2) O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allah or [the sanctity of] the sacred month or [neglect the marking of] the sacrificial animals and garlanding [them] or [violate the safety of] those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and [His] approval. But when you come out of ihram, then [you may] hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

You can clearly see that here Allah allowed the Muslims to hunt when they are not in ihram. So the prohibition from hunting was in ihram and freedom is given for hunting out of ihram. Is there any complication in understanding this verse??

But the sorrowful thing is that a small part of an aayat is separated from the rest of the verse and a wrong meaning is given to it just to make confusion in understanding the verse!!!

We do not rely on translations of the verses to find out the rulings. Translations are also done by human beings. They are not authoritative and they sometimes interpolate and make mistakes. The [you may] part above is not there in Arabic, that is interpolation by the translator to help you understand the context.

I don't say he is wrong. Once again, instead of relying on translators (and there are more than a dozen out there, who would you follow?), we rely on the complete explanation given in simplified form by the Fuqaha.

I don't know whether you are getting the point. There are levels of Islamic scholarship. A translator can even be a non-Muslim. Many non-Muslims have translated the Qur'an. A mufassir understands and explains the Qur'an. A muhaddith is a Hadith scholar. A mu'arrikh is a scholar of history. They are all limited to their own field of knowledge. But a Faqeeh studies all branches of Deen. That is the reason why he is followed.

Since I started making prayer (since childhood), I have been reading “Subhanak Allahumma wa bi hamdika, wa tabarakas- muka wa ta’ala jadduka, wa la ilaha ghayruk”

and I never forget it. This is because my parents taught me like this. If the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) opened salaat with this praising of Allah then why shouldn’t we??? From where do the fuqaha bring the explanation. Do they have special connection with Allah?? No! Not at all!

Alhamdulillah, those who are mindful of their prayers, they will not forget anything. But whole world is not ideal. There are Muslims who are new to Islam, and there are Muslims who follow only the basics. There are Muslims who are lazy.

Everything is not as simple as you might assume. The rulings have to be found for each and every aspect of Deen. Reciting the thana at the start of the prayer is a Sunnah. But if someone forgets it or leaves it, what does he have to do? It is not found anywhere in the Hadith. This is where the Fuqaha explain the ruling based on the Qur'an and Sunnah. Of course, they do not simply bring it out of thin air. They explain everything in the light of Qur'an and Sunnah.

I have clearly read that the Prophet (Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him) used to emphasize tathleeth (to wash every part three times) and to start from the right side i.e. first wash right arm and then left, first right foot and then left. The same principle He gave for taking bath.

Yes, that is right, but all the above quoted Ahadeeth are Sahih and what the Sahabah are narrating is the truth. Nobody can deny that.

What makes you say that washing 3 times is Sunnah? Because you are already well-versed in the ruling. But when a person simply reads the Ahadith, he will not be able to understand the underlying principles in categorizing Fardh, Sunnah and Mustahab. He has to learn from scholars who will teach him in the light of Qur'an and Sunnah.


Everything goes back to Qur'an and Sunnah, nobody denies that. All the 4 madhahib are based on Qur'an and Sunnah. People misunderstand what a madhhab is. It is a set of principles, guidelines, a methodology, that is used by scholars to find out the Shar'i rulings from the Qur'an and Sunnah.

 

[azc]

[MENTION=36347]nbegam[/MENTION] : You've not replied post # 123 yet

 

[OmAbdullah]

@nbegam : You've not replied post # 123 yet

I have to reply one more post. After that insha-Allah i will answer your question.

 

[azc]

I have to reply one more post. After that insha-Allah i will answer your question.

take your time. When you've convinced other posters, then reply my post

 

[OmAbdullah]

Ideally, that would be case and people would only eat fish. But practically, that is not the case. There are several places on earth where people eat crabs, prawn and many other sea creatures. The Fuqaha study all the relevant Ayaat and Ahadeeth and derive the rulings from them. They explain the Deen to us, they do not create their own rulings as commonly misunderstood by many people.




See, the problem here is you are relying on a translator's note to understand the context. It is not mentioned in the above Ayah that it was prohibited to hunt while in the state of Ihram. Can you find it anywhere there? It is not even mentioned in the previous Ayah.

If you say it is implied in the meaning, then that would mean the whole Ayah was intended for those who are in Ihram. If that is so, then desecrating the holy months and animals of sacrifice would be allowed for those who are not in ihram.

I don't say your explanation wrong. What we say is, the translator or a Tafsir scholar has the knowledge of the Qur'an and he can explain the context and details. But the level of Faqeeh is much higher than that, because a Faqeeh studies all other branches of Deen.

Being a mufassir is not sufficient for a person to be able to derive Shar'i rulings from Qur'an. He has to understand the Ahadeeth, the Seerah, actions of the Sahabah and how they understood the concept and several other aspects of Deen.



We do not rely on translations of the verses to find out the rulings. Translations are also done by human beings. They are not authoritative and they sometimes interpolate and make mistakes. The [you may] part above is not there in Arabic, that is interpolation by the translator to help you understand the context.

I don't say he is wrong. Once again, instead of relying on translators (and there are more than a dozen out there, who would you follow?), we rely on the complete explanation given in simplified form by the Fuqaha.

I don't know whether you are getting the point. There are levels of Islamic scholarship. A translator can even be a non-Muslim. Many non-Muslims have translated the Qur'an. A mufassir understands and explains the Qur'an. A muhaddith is a Hadith scholar. A mu'arrikh is a scholar of history. They are all limited to their own field of knowledge. But a Faqeeh studies all branches of Deen. That is the reason why he is followed.



Alhamdulillah, those who are mindful of their prayers, they will not forget anything. But whole world is not ideal. There are Muslims who are new to Islam, and there are Muslims who follow only the basics. There are Muslims who are lazy.

Everything is not as simple as you might assume. The rulings have to be found for each and every aspect of Deen. Reciting the thana at the start of the prayer is a Sunnah. But if someone forgets it or leaves it, what does he have to do? It is not found anywhere in the Hadith. This is where the Fuqaha explain the ruling based on the Qur'an and Sunnah. Of course, they do not simply bring it out of thin air. They explain everything in the light of Qur'an and Sunnah.



Yes, that is right, but all the above quoted Ahadeeth are Sahih and what the Sahabah are narrating is the truth. Nobody can deny that.

What makes you say that washing 3 times is Sunnah? Because you are already well-versed in the ruling. But when a person simply reads the Ahadith, he will not be able to understand the underlying principles in categorizing Fardh, Sunnah and Mustahab. He has to learn from scholars who will teach him in the light of Qur'an and Sunnah.


Everything goes back to Qur'an and Sunnah, nobody denies that. All the 4 madhahib are based on Qur'an and Sunnah. People misunderstand what a madhhab is. It is a set of principles, guidelines, a methodology, that is used by scholars to find out the Shar'i rulings from the Qur'an and Sunnah.

I am very short of time. Moreover, I am very tired of this boring topic but I have to write for the sake of readers so that they don't get repelled away from the Great Book of Allah which along with the Sunnah is perfect from all points of view.


You said that I am relying upon the translators while there is no command of the prohibition of hunting in ihram. See your words below:


[ QUOTE]See, the problem here is you are relying on a translator's note to understand the context. It is not mentioned in the above Ayah that it was prohibited to hunt while in the state of Ihram. Can you find it anywhere there? It is not even mentioned in the previous Ayah.[/QUOTE]


Now read the translation of the verse 96 of the surah Al-Maa'idah (5:96), you have given this ayah in your post:


[h=2](5;96) Lawful to you is game from the sea and its food as provision for you and the travelers, but forbidden to you is game from the land as long as you are in the state of ihram. And fear Allah to whom you will be gathered.[/h]

But you got entangled in the complication of haram and halaal from the sea. This complication is made by someone whatever you call him. Anyhow you forgot to see this command of the prohibition of hunting on land in the state of ihram. So you missed such an important and obligatory part of the aayah. this must be because you are not trying to understand the Holy Quraan thoroughly. If you did, you will understand many things only from the aayaat. Tafseer is not required in all places. Then you must also note that in the end of this aayat (verse) Allah All-Mighty is ordering us to fear HIM and is reminding us the Day of Hashar when we shall be standing in HIS COURT for ACCOUNTING. May Allah make it easy for us, aameen ya Allah Azza wa Jall.


Now the attempts made by you and your friends are to divert people from the Holy Quraan and Sunnah. Read the translation of the following verse in surah Al-A'raaf 44, 45:


[h=2](7:44) And the companions of Paradise will call out to the companions of the Fire, "We have already found what our Lord promised us to be true. Have you found what your Lord promised to be true?" They will say, "Yes." Then an announcer will announce among them, "The curse of Allah shall be upon the wrongdoers."[/h]


[h=2](7:45) Who averted [people] from the way of Allah and sought to make it [seem] deviant while they were, concerning the Hereafter, disbelievers.[/h]

You see, Allah Azza wa jall didn't say that they are kaafirs rather Allah Ta'ala used the words zaalimeen (the wicked, the wrong doers). They divert people from the way of Allah (the Quraan and Sunnah) because they don't believe in the Hereafter.

Today all Muslims say that they do believe in the Hereafter but when it comes to their worldly benefits and their self honor then they throw that belief at their backs. And their tongues /pens etc. start speaking without any consideration about the Accounting and Punishment in the Hereafter. So it is like they don't believe. Satan is our open and deadly enemy. Keeping in close daily contact with the Quraan and Sunnah will result in the Mercy of Allah and so the Muslim will get understanding, hikmah (wisdom) and also protection from the tactics of Satan the cursed one. A good Tafseer of the Holy Quraan from a sincere scholar is an easy way to understand the Quraan and Sunnah at the same time.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

I am very short of time. Moreover, I am very tired of this boring topic but I have to write for the sake of readers so that they don't get repelled away from the Great Book of Allah which along with the Sunnah is perfect from all points of view.


You said that I am relying upon the translators while there is no command of the prohibition of hunting in ihram. See your words below:

See, the problem here is you are relying on a translator's note to understand the context. It is not mentioned in the above Ayah that it was prohibited to hunt while in the state of Ihram. Can you find it anywhere there? It is not even mentioned in the previous Ayah.

Now read the translation of the verse 96 of the surah Al-Maa'idah (5:96), you have given this ayah in your post:


(5;96) Lawful to you is game from the sea and its food as provision for you and the travelers, but forbidden to you is game from the land as long as you are in the state of ihram. And fear Allah to whom you will be gathered.

I think you are missing the point here.

The point I am trying to make is not for you or for those who already know the rulings. It is about those laymen who don't have deeper understanding of the Deen. Can they simply read the translation and find out the proper Shar'i ruling? No, they cannot. They have to refer to the scholars. And all scholars follow proper methods to find out the ruling, from the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Nobody is asking anyone to abandon the Qur'an or Sunnah. We are just asking them to understand the Qur'an and Sunnah from the people of knowledge, and not try to derive the Ahkaam by themselves.

But you got entangled in the complication of haram and halaal from the sea. This complication is made by someone whatever you call him.

We are not complicating anything. It is clearly mentioned in the Qur'an that hunting from sea and its food is allowed for consumption. But the question naturally arises, is everything allowed, including crocodiles, snakes, crabs and octopus?

Also, Allah :swt: mentions only the Sea, what about rivers, lakes and other water bodies? Will hunting be permissible from all of them?

All these questions require proper understanding of the relevant Ayaat and Ahadeeth. The 'Ulama who study all aspects of the Deen and reach the level of ijtihad are known as Faqeeh.

Allah :swt: asks us to consult the people of knowledge.

Anyhow you forgot to see this command of the prohibition of hunting on land in the state of ihram. So you missed such an important and obligatory part of the aayah.

No, I didn't miss it. As I mentioned above, the command of prohibition comes nearly at the end of the Surah.

Then you must also note that in the end of this aayat (verse) Allah All-Mighty is ordering us to fear HIM and is reminding us the Day of Hashar when we shall be standing in HIS COURT for ACCOUNTING. May Allah make it easy for us, aameen ya Allah Azza wa Jall.

Aameen.

Now the attempts made by you and your friends are to divert people from the Holy Quraan and Sunnah.

No, that is very wrong. We have never done that.

Alhamdulillah, we recite the Qur'an every day and make our kids memorize the Qur'an. Several of our brothers are Alhamdulillah Huffaaz of the Holy Qur'an. We study the Tafsir and we also study the ahkaam, but not on our own by simply reading books. We study under the guidance of 'ulama. They explain to us everything in detail, making us understand why and how a ruling is made.

We always call people to hold fast to the Sunnah. We encourage people to keep their beards and wear Islamic style of clothing. From the hair of our head until the toe nail, everything must be according to the Sunnah. From waking up in the morning until we go to bed at night, the whole day should be according to the Sunnah. This is what we always encourage everyone.

You see, Allah Azza wa jall didn't say that they are kaafirs rather Allah Ta'ala used the words zaalimeen (the wicked, the wrong doers). They divert people from the way of Allah (the Quraan and Sunnah) because they don't believe in the Hereafter.

Today all Muslims say that they do believe in the Hereafter but when it comes to their worldly benefits and their self honor then they throw that belief at their backs. And their tongues /pens etc. start speaking without any consideration about the Accounting and Punishment in the Hereafter. So it is like they don't believe. Satan is our open and deadly enemy. Keeping in close daily contact with the Quraan and Sunnah will result in the Mercy of Allah and so the Muslim will get understanding, hikmah (wisdom) and also protection from the tactics of Satan the cursed one. A good Tafseer of the Holy Quraan from a sincere scholar is an easy way to understand the Quraan and Sunnah at the same time.

أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم
We are free from all these accusations.

 

[azc]

[MENTION=36347]nbegam[/MENTION] :

Now the attempts made by you and your friends are to divert people from the Holy Quraan and Sunnah.

try to speak like a person who's sound mind

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Although they cannot change the text of the Holy Quraan because Allah Azza wa Jall preserved it, but they attacked it in whatever way they could! So they;

1. removed the names of the ajza (30 parts). Now it is only part 1,2.... without names.

2. They removed the two du'aa from the end of the Holy Quraan. One du'aa is short to be read after daily recitation and the other one is long to be read after finishing the whole Quraan.

3. They removed the words Makki and Madani from each surah so that now the reader doesn't know when and where was this surah revealed.

4. they changed the stop signs. by changing waqfi-laazim to a minor sigh, the meaning of the verse are attacked. I can prove it with examples.

5. As in the Ajam countries the Quraan had the original form so Syria managed to send the newly printed Qurans to Pakistan. There these were given to the imams to distribute them among the people.

These are some really strange views.

1. The division of the Qur'an into 30 ajza is not part of the Qur'an, neither it is from the Sunnah. The only division during the lifetime of the Prophet :saws: was that of the 114 Surah. The Prophet :saws: used to recite the whole Surah in Salah.

When the Sahabah wanted to recite the Qur'an outside of the Salah, they used to recite a number of Surah in sequence. On the first day, they used to recite the three Surah (Al-Baqarah, Aal-Imran and An-Nisa). Then the second day they used to recite the next 5 Surah. Then the next 7, then 9, then 11, then 13. On the seventh day, they used to complete the Qur'an by reciting the remaining Short Surah.

It comes in a Hadith:
Abu Dawood related that Aws bin Huthayfah, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “The Prophet :saws:, would come to the Thaqeef delegation when they came forth to him and he would address them. One night he was slow [delayed] in coming to them and they said, “Were you delayed coming to us this evening?”He said, “Two portions of the Qur’an flew [meaning he didn’t have a chance to read them] from me and I hated to come until I finished.”
Aws said, I asked the companions of the Prophet :saws:, “How do you divide the Qur’an?” They said, “Three, and five, and seven, and nine, and eleven, and thirteen, and a portion for the munfassal [shorter surahs] by itself.”

Abee At-Tayyib Mohammed Shams Al-Haqq Al-‘Atheem Abaadee in his commentary on Sunan Abee Dawood, said the following explained that the numbers in this hadeeth were numbers of surahs, so the first division is surah Al-Baqarah, Aali ‘Imraan, and An-Nisaa’, the second division is from surah Al-Maa’idah to [the end of] Baraa’ah [At-Tawbah], the third division which is stated as “seven” is the seven surahs from Yunus to [the end of] An-Nahl, etc.[‘Oon Al-Ma’bood Sharh Sunan Abee Dawood by Abee At-Tayyib Mohammed Shams Al-Haww Al-‘Atheem Abaadee, Fourth volume page 271-272, hadeeth number 1380.]


The division of the Qur'an into 30 ajza was done later on during the time of Tabi'een.

It is reported in Jamaal Al-Quraa’ wa Kamaal Al-Iqraa’ that Al-Manssor said to ‘Amrin bin ‘Ubayd [died 144 Hijara], “I wish to memorize the Qur’an, so in what amount [of time] so you say I can memorize it?” He said, “If Allah, the Mighty and Honored, makes it easy for you, in one year.” He [Al-Manssor] then said, “ I indeed would like to partition that for myself into portions that I will not exceed nor diminish; I will memorize of it every day a portion and I will not leave it one day.” ‘Amrin then said, “Would you like for me to do that?” He said, “Yes”. So he [‘Amrin] divided the Qur’an according to that and wrote it on books and made every 12 portions of those divisions one juz’ and it became 30 juz’. He separated between the ajzaa’ with a line of gold at the end of each juz’.


Please the scan from the explanation given at the end of the Mushaf:

If you don't read Arabic, it says, the division of Ajza is taken from the book "Ghayth An-Naf' " by Allama As-Safaqusiyy :rh:.

The above scan also answers your point #3 saying that the Makki and Madani indication is not given at the start of every surah because it is was the ijma' of the Salaf that the Mushaf should be free from other than the Holy Qur'an.

The Makki and Madani information is not the actual part of Qur'an, it is an additional information related to the Holy Qur'an and that is why it is mentioned at the end of the Mushaf. The scan also says that the correct place of these extra information related to the Qur'an is actually the books of Tafsir and 'Uloomul Qur'an, not the mushaf itself.

2. The Du'a that are recited at the end are also not part of the Holy Qur'an. They are Du'as from the Sunnah and must not be confused as being part of the Qur'an itself.

3. Answered above.

4. The Waqf signs are also not part of the Qur'an. They are added to make it easier for everyone to recite properly. See the scan of next page, it explains how the waqf signs are placed in the first paragraph: