Women's choice on wearing hijab

[Ahmed67]

Should women have the choice to wear a veil?

 

[Brother_40805]

Despite not being not being an expert or answering this question as detailed as others in this forum. I for one want to know why many females fail to realize that the way male and female see each other is completely different.

Some Muslim woman believe although the principles of modesty are clearly outlined in the Qu'ran, they perceive the wearing of headscarf as a cultural interpretation of scriptures.

Others where the full covering in order to fulfill God's commandment for modesty. It all depends on your personal devotion to god honestly.

It is more of a gift from Allah if you ask me without which I would feel the purity of woman would be severely damaged due to how Allah has designed woman.

This notion of belief of some Muslim woman that the hijab and other external practices have become inappropriately central to the practice of Islam and instead give emphasis solely to focusing on their internal and spiritual relationship with god is completely ludicrous.

I will let others have a say to myself time to collect more ideas on this matter...

 

[Simple_Person]

I see often that hijab is only interpreted as some clothing over their head. To my understanding there is no compromise in Islam about hijab. Hijab for women in this case, veil over her head, covering of the shapes of her body and her behavior. So even if she by clothing description goes 100% Islamic, but is staring at men and giving men attention, then still this is not hijab what is in Islam described.

So far i have understood is the hijab is a protection for her and a mercy towards some category men. If some man is not able to lower his gaze because of low imaan or some sort and he looks..there is nothing to see as her body is covered but if she gives wrong signs by giving him attention or staring at him..well all this hijab is also not really doing the protection as the woman is longing for the wrong thing. If she is not covered in Islamic sense and that man cannot only lower his gaze, but also have self control and this results in to a sexual assault. Well who is to be blamed? Women off course always blame the man and man always blame the woman. However both are guilty one could say. The covering (hijab in general) is the protection for her from those hyana's. There are also those other dogs which are even worse. They will sexually assault a woman if she is covered or not covered and if she doesn't even give wrong signals by staring at the man. Also about that Islam has a male guardian for the protection of a woman.

By Islamic rulings so far, hijab and covering in general is MANDATORY. Off course we are human beings and have free will you can go kill a person if you want to, but that doesn't mean that Islam approves such action. Do what you like, but if it goes wrong, don't come crying. I am a man and i know what goes around in the minds of men.

 

[noraina]

Hijab is a commandment of Allah swt. The problem is that many people regard it as a 'choice'. I don't believe in forcing a woman to wear the hijab, as she'll hate it rather than appreciate it for what it is, but we should educated our sisters that the hijab is mandated for us and more importantly *why* that is so.

I was a born Muslim, but I had no idea the hijab was fardh until I decided to look it up myself. I wasn't not wearing it out of defiance or deliberate disobedience, I genuinely didn't know.

We need more education given on this, and not just by writing down bullet points of how sinful an uncovered woman is or how she'll be punished, but by explaining how Islam protects and honours women.

 

[azc]

Should women have the choice to wear a veil?

no, niqab/hijab is essential to wear

 

[Umm♥Layth]

MANY things are mandated by Allah, not just the hijab for women. Every Muslim makes a choice to either obey or disobey and some are ignorant. So there is actually a choice and no person can force another to obey Allah. Each individual has to mature and wise up (is that even a proper term? lol) in their due time. Allah guides who he wills.

So although hijab is not optional, a person can choose to disobey.

There is also alot of emphasis on the headscarf as the hijab. Not long ago we had a sister pose for playboy in her hijab wearing a deep red lipstick with her legs not closed... let's not forget that. This is so called empowerment of the hijab :facepalm: and there were TONS of Muslim women who supported this! They didn't stop to think about the big picture, just about the scarf itself.

There are many women who are not even Muslim ( Amish, Pentecostals and Mennonites) who dress modestly as to not show their figure and they don't mix with men. So really, it is about how people are raised and THAT is where the focus should be. In the homes of Muslims. Men are suppose to be in charge of who comes in their home and this isn't just people, but also influences.

Men allow their women to roam facebook without any sort of say in the matter (usually they are too busy doing it themselves!), they allow soap operas in the house, they allow their wives and daughters to be friends with bad influences. They have no backbone and say nothing if their wives and daughters leave their home with inappropriate clothing... or they address them in a harsh manner to where they are oppressive. No balance.

It is a big responsibility and our men are failing in this department (sorry brothers). So, I say focus on yourself as a man and a leader (or future leader) of your home. Focus on what you can do to be the change and not on what others should or should not be doing.

My dad has always commented on my attire (I'm a convert by the way). I had the internet cut off many times as a teen, I got my car taken away permanently... the list goes on lol. ALHAMDULLILAH for a father who cared.

 

[Scimitar]

Every Muslim makes a choice to either obey or disobey and some are ignorant.

This ^

Scimi

 

[Supernova]

Asalaamualaykum

Even most denominations of Christianity denote "Mother Mary" observing hijab

and come on sisters....

Even Smurfett is making an effort

 

[talibilm]

Sorry to be blunt here.

For a Muslima - A believer there is NO CHOICE at all since submitting to Allah's rule is the only Choice .

For a Non Muslima sky is the limit.

I see often that hijab is only interpreted as some clothing over their head. To my understanding there is no compromise in Islam about hijab. Hijab for women in this case, veil over her head, covering of the shapes of her body and her behavior. So even if she by clothing description goes 100% Islamic, but is staring at men and giving men attention, then still this is not hijab what is in Islam described.

This is senseful too since some muslima are in so called hijab but My wife comments (not me) the main parts which are to be covered remains - appears the same as a Non muslim western freaky girl.

 

[Simple_Person]

Sorry to be blunt here.

For a Muslima - A believer there is NO CHOICE at all since submitting to Allah's rule is the only Choice .

For a Non Muslima sky is the limit.





This is senseful too since some muslima are in so called hijab but My wife comments (not me) the main parts which are to be covered remains - appears the same as a Non muslim western freaky girl.

Uncle, there is choice even for somebody who says he/she is a believer. By not obeying you are disobeying. So the choice to not wear it even though it is mandatory you are free in it. I know it sounds kind of strange what I am saying but there is always choice in Islam even doing Zina for example. Islam clearly says a good believer does not even go near zina but not pursuing this road is showing that you do not want to pursue as a good believer. If somebody says I want to 100% commit to being a good believer this free wil is taken a way. So in other words a dedicated Muslim has no free will when it comes to religious duties.

So what have I done here is split a Muslim in a Muslim and a dedicated Muslim. As in Islam we also have different level of Muslims. A dedicated Muslim will pursue only the path of good and his/her choice as free will is taken away from her/him. This is we could say that differentiates us from angels becoming better than angels. We hear and we surrender our will and NOT we hear and we obey. Angels hear and obey we humans hear and surrender OUR will.

Could you please elaborate that other part a bit more as I fail in understanding it.

 

[Simple_Person]

MANY things are mandated by Allah, not just the hijab for women. Every Muslim makes a choice to either obey or disobey and some are ignorant. So there is actually a choice and no person can force another to obey Allah. Each individual has to mature and wise up (is that even a proper term? lol) in their due time. Allah guides who he wills.

So although hijab is not optional, a person can choose to disobey.

There is also alot of emphasis on the headscarf as the hijab. Not long ago we had a sister pose for playboy in her hijab wearing a deep red lipstick with her legs not closed... let's not forget that. This is so called empowerment of the hijab :facepalm: and there were TONS of Muslim women who supported this! They didn't stop to think about the big picture, just about the scarf itself.

There are many women who are not even Muslim ( Amish, Pentecostals and Mennonites) who dress modestly as to not show their figure and they don't mix with men. So really, it is about how people are raised and THAT is where the focus should be. In the homes of Muslims. Men are suppose to be in charge of who comes in their home and this isn't just people, but also influences.

Men allow their women to roam facebook without any sort of say in the matter (usually they are too busy doing it themselves!), they allow soap operas in the house, they allow their wives and daughters to be friends with bad influences. They have no backbone and say nothing if their wives and daughters leave their home with inappropriate clothing... or they address them in a harsh manner to where they are oppressive. No balance.

It is a big responsibility and our men are failing in this department (sorry brothers). So, I say focus on yourself as a man and a leader (or future leader) of your home. Focus on what you can do to be the change and not on what others should or should not be doing.

My dad has always commented on my attire (I'm a convert by the way). I had the internet cut off many times as a teen, I got my car taken away permanently... the list goes on lol. ALHAMDULLILAH for a father who cared.

JazakAllah khairan, very insightful indeed some of the statements you made.

 

[talibilm]

Uncle, there is choice even for somebody who says he/she is a believer. By not obeying you are disobeying. So the choice to not wear it even though it is mandatory you are free in it. I know it sounds kind of strange what I am saying but there is always choice in Islam even doing Zina for example. Islam clearly says a good believer does not even go near zina but not pursuing this road is showing that you do not want to pursue as a good believer. If somebody says I want to 100% commit to being a good believer this free wil is taken a way. So in other words a dedicated Muslim has no free will when it comes to religious duties.

So what have I done here is split a Muslim in a Muslim and a dedicated Muslim. As in Islam we also have different level of Muslims. A dedicated Muslim will pursue only the path of good and his/her choice as free will is taken away from her/him. This is we could say that differentiates us from angels becoming better than angels. We hear and we surrender our will and NOT we hear and we obey. Angels hear and obey we humans hear and surrender OUR will.

Could you please elaborate that other part a bit more as I fail in understanding it.

You are wording it differently . Once you call a Muslim or a Muslima ( who submits his or her's will to Allah ) that's what is expected of him or her. If we do not submit our will to Allah we are improper muslim. If a Muslim leave a Fard prayer voluntarily they are in at the door of kufar. All commandments of Allah (fards, harams)when a Muslim refuses to do (voluntarily) he is in the state of Kufr ie Rejection (not a total kafir) at that time ,spot. This may not be applicable rejection of Allah's commandments by fear by force etc they are not that sinful. imo

Like in the matter of intoxication When Allah says to avoid IMPLIES its Haram and Similarly when Allah says muslimas to cover up their bossoms it becomes fard and leaving it in front of ghair magram becomes haram.

The other part is from my wife is that the purpose of Hijab is lost when a Muslima wears a scarf that does not cover her bossoms completely (half covered) which is also in tight fits and so is the undergarments with tight jeans and so on . hope you will not ask me to elaborate on this

 

[praisetoallah]

I feel it wearing full hijab is a personal choice . Yes women and men should dress modestly. But women should only don the head scarf when they are ready to be that much closer to Allah

 

[Umm♥Layth]

I feel it wearing full hijab is a personal choice . Yes women and men should dress modestly. But women should only don the head scarf when they are ready to be that much closer to Allah

That's a catch 22. What if not wearing it is what is keeping her that much further from Allah?

 

[Abdullah910]

There must be no free choice.

A wife has to obey her husband.

 

[Umm♥Layth]

There must be no free choice.

A wife has to obey her husband.

^o) well, you are in for a rude awakening.

 

[*charisma*]

There must be no free choice.

A wife has to obey her husband.

You must be single. ^o)

Allah gave us free choice, who are you to say there isn't any?

A man should marry someone who covers up in the first place. If he's marrying a woman to force her to do things and to control her, then he must be lacking in his masculinity and therefore using a woman to feel all powerful and great. Welp..good luck with that type of mentality!

 

[Abdullah910]

You must be single. ^o)

Allah gave us free choice, who are you to say there isn't any?

A man should marry someone who covers up in the first place. If he's marrying a woman to force her to do things and to control her, then he must be lacking in his masculinity and therefore using a woman to feel all powerful and great. Welp..good luck with that type of mentality!

Freedom of choice is not from Islam.

Islam teaches that a wife has to obey her husband.

 

[*charisma*]

Freedom of choice is not from Islam.

Islam teaches that a wife has to obey her husband.

It is.
And sure, it teaches. It doesn't force. If we are to be forced to do things, then there's no point in having a religion as we'd be doing whatever Allah would be forcing us to do. In the Quran it states we make our own choices. We choose to believe or disbelieve. But we there are implications to those choices in the afterlife.

 

[Abdullah910]

It is.
And sure, it teaches. It doesn't force. If we are to be forced to do things, then there's no point in having a religion as we'd be doing whatever Allah would be forcing us to do. In the Quran it states we make our own choices. We choose to believe or disbelieve. But we there are implications to those choices in the afterlife.

So if I tell my wife to wear Burqa or not to go out of house without my permission you think she has a right to disobey me?

LOL, where do you take your knowledge from??