Is Islam a Feminist Religion?

Nope. Islam is not a somethingist religion. Islam has its own ideals and goals. Feminizm is an ideology created by mankind like humanism, communism, idealism etc. and has its flaws. Islam doesnt. It is perfect until getting corrupted by people.
 
feminism is just another bandwagon..

if muslim women think todays feminsts groups represent them then they are mislead.

if they develop there own identity and groups with agendas it is another matter.

the but of the joke is that.. pious men have acceptable wives.

and thats a hard lesson to learn..

if you open the door to the wrong people even your wives wont do right by you.

honestly its a twisted world..

only the strongest will inherit it...

or something like that.
 
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If feminism is the complete equalitu of men and women, that's flawed because biologically its not true, but there's nothing wrong with that. Islam actually recognizes those differenes as regards to the shari ah of dress wear and after puberty the rules are different, but on the other hand islam gives human rights and that also applies to women. Islam was introduced into a time where women were barely considered human beings so islam brought women rights ie. Like the riht to property, the right to education, the right to divorce..etc.
 
Feminism is equality of the sexes; nothing more, nothing less. This is at the human level, and irrespective of the colour of your skin or your religion.

BTW What do you mean by '...just another bandwagon'? Can you provide examples in consideration of the definition I provided above, thanks.
 
well, its just a label..

it is by no means reflective of what is hoped for or accomplished..

by those representing it.

...its like asking if ISIS represent the word jihad properly?


but if thats what they say they are then.. who am i to disagree?
 
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No, it is not.

Islaam is the perfect Religion of Allaah based on truth and justice.

Feminism is based on the personal whims of a select few.
 
islamocurious said:
Feminism is equality of the sexes; nothing more, nothing less. This is at the human level, and irrespective of the colour of your skin or your religion.

BTW What do you mean by '...just another bandwagon'? Can you provide examples in consideration of the definition I provided above, thanks.
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Islam is NOT the same as feminism and what you are saying is even contradictory to Islamic values. Let me give you a example. In Islam if the husband works, he has to spend from the money he has earned on his family also on his wife. If his wife also works her money belongs to her and her husband is not even entitled to once penny of it. However feminism ideology would rather be 50/50. So husband spends on the household and the wife also MUST spend on the household. So again, NO Islam just like many other ideologies have SOME things in common, but just what is in common doesn't make it the same.

Feminism as the movement at the beginning started off good, with good intention at heart, however we already have reached "third-wave feminism". This wave isn't about equality any more, it is about superiority over men. That is why a new men movement has come to existence called MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way).

These are the women for example that just have forgotten or never have learned that men and women CANNOT become equal on ALL fronts. Equality is good based on your sex (voting, pay for same kind of job and in that direction), however that's just about it. Women tend to follow emotions more than the mind and men tend to follow mind more than emotions. One completes the other and one cannot become the other as the nature cannot change. Desires can change and corrupt mentality, but nature not.

 
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wow. i could never hit a women..

i lose grasp of the english language sometimes when women start stuff.

very mean things sometimes.. although what women want is a mystery.
 
LOL The 1950's when husbands could have their wives committed to a mental asylum! We've moved I since then.

We may have something in common in that I also do not agree with this 3rd wave feminism. For eg. Hijabis calling themselves feminist who are focused on their right to COVER in the hijab, niqab, burqua, etc, in the West, whilst sisters in Islamic countries are being beaten, jailed, are having acid thrown in their faces or even killed for not covering. Not to mention the ignorant so-called feminists who support them.

It is shameful. Women have equal rights in most western democracies and the same rights as men under the law. This cannot be said for women living in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.
 
islamocurious said:
LOL The 1950's when husbands could have their wives committed to a mental asylum!
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in the west ;)

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We've moved I since then.
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yes, and the family unit was destroyed by the liberation movements of the 60's which saw all sorts of social ills come to the fore which we are now, sufferring collectively against, in the whole world.

islamocurious said:
We may have something in common in that I also do not agree with this 3rd wave feminism. For eg. Hijabis calling themselves feminist who are focused on their right to COVER in the hijab, niqab, burqua, etc, in the West, whilst sisters in Islamic countries are being beaten, jailed, are having acid thrown in their faces or even killed for not covering. Not to mention the ignorant so-called feminists who support them.
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Interesting analysis :)

I've personally counted more than 3 waves of feminism. But that's neither here nor there - the idea is that feminism has gained traction in all its forms. Ideoligcally, femimism is antithetical to humanism. If I was to make a case for malism in the modern world, would you see it as justified? Nope. SO how can we allow ideas such as feminism to gain traction in a morally fortified society?

the answer is, this Feminsim only happens in societies where morality has taken a massive back seat.

Had the thinkers discussed the issue rationally, they'd have ensured laws were put in place where women had equal rights without the label of being "feminism" but instead "equality for all".

islamocurious said:
It is shameful. Women have equal rights in most western democracies and the same rights as men under the law. This cannot be said for women living in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.
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If your proof is the media, then I have to scoff.

However I have visited Arabia on occasion, and have seen for myself how political power plays of Kings who are not reflective of Muslim Democratic Process of choosing a leader - are adopting laws that are not Islamic. These are politically nuanced issues within the Muslim world and not reflective of Islamic values.

Scimi
 
islamocurious said:
LOL The 1950's when husbands could have their wives committed to a mental asylum! We've moved I since then.
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No sister we (Humanity) has not moved on, they have gone even further backward. For example in the "modern" day, people shout that they have "freedom" and "democracy", however when one REALLY investigates and ponders about things going one. It is everything but democracy and everything BUT freedom. We live in a "modern"-dictatorship. In countries that are being branded as dictatorship, it is clearly visible it is a dictatorship. However knowing it is a dictatorship, you adjust your position to it. However in the west it is a hidden dictatorship. People do what they are being told and if you disagree, you are being branded a person who is against "freedom" and "democracy". People are being played by governments through psychological means. The last few years since the rise of ISIS, if you look and it doesn't have to be even that focused you will see the hypocrisy and indeed living in a modern dictatorship. So what has happened to women? Women through psychological way being convinced that dressing less is freedom. People look at these women as "hookers" and have no respect for them, but media and these governments say she is walking the life of "freedom" and "happiness". Her value even from the perspective of her husband has gone down the drain. Her own husband even feels proud if other men are looking at his woman like Hyena's. He has lost all his jealousy towards his own wife. He shares his own wife with other men. He experiments sexually with her beyond her dignity. She works also, but he also demands her part of the money. Sister, in the 1950's was bad, but it has gone worse. Rasullah(saws) has said that the world will become so corrupted, so logically looking at this, this means the more we go further and closer to the Day of Judgement, the corrupter the society becomes. So women had less rights, but now they have gained "rights", but not as what she was fighting for. It is like a car driving on a road, if you just LITTLE BIT turn the car to the left the further down the road it will go off road. This is exactly what has happened to her. However she had less rights and she was brought to the road but was not adjusted to stay on the road. It just goes off road the other side of the road. You get me?

islamocurious said:
We may have something in common in that I also do not agree with this 3rd wave feminism. For eg. Hijabis calling themselves feminist who are focused on their right to COVER in the hijab, niqab, burqua, etc, in the West, whilst sisters in Islamic countries are being beaten, jailed, are having acid thrown in their faces or even killed for not covering. Not to mention the ignorant so-called feminists who support them.
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Rasullah(saws) has said stay with the Qur'an and his sunnah. As long as we stick to that, we will be on the right path. Branding yourself a feminism is already slowly going off road. For example you have to Muslim women in the west being all pro-feminist, however people who are gay and transgenders also are including themselves with the feminists movement. In other words, if you brand yourself a feminists and actively help those groups, you gain your hijab, but you are also pushing the LGBT-agenda. Gaining something is good, but setting off the other thing off balance is not good whatsoever. Last week or so i was pondering about hijab and i was amazed about what came to my mind. For women in Islam who are married is not mandatory to work. So if she has to choose between her hijab or her work. Well she could easily look for another job and for the time being she could stay home. For the man, his beard is also not mandatory, so also based on this they cannot fire him. This life is all a test, it isn't mean to be the paradise. You have to sacrifice somethings for the sake of Allah. However free will is given to us to also not go His way, but there are also consequences to that as we have chosen to live this life.


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It is shameful. Women have equal rights in most western democracies and the same rights as men under the law. This cannot be said for women living in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.
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Again, flush away what you believe about equal rights all over the world. You look at a complete wrong perspective. Your perspective is like this. You look at the west and say mas'sha'Allah the car has both his left tires in tact but is missing the right tires. The people in the Middle East (culture) are looking at the car and say ma'sha'Alla the car has his right tires in tact but on the left is missing both his left tires.

The practicing Muslim is looking at the car from the back and sees only 1 left tire and 1 right tire.

So what am i trying to say here? A practicing Muslim sees some good things in the west and some good things in the Middle East(culture). However both are missing some things here and some things there. The perspective of the practicing Muslim (Islam) is the right perspective as he still sees a defect car. The car being the woman missing her rights. The practicing Muslim is a person that will not agree with the people of the left or with people of the right. This is i believe also the right approach to this, because as a Muslim we do not follow our will, but the will of Allah and Allah has given the woman her rights and should be given her even if she thinks her rights are something else. You do not give her what she thinks her rights are, you give her what Allah has given her as her rights. As in the west for example, women who are dressed in tight clothes often wants you to look at her and give her attention. However Allah has given her rights to look away and not at her(body).
 
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Feminism does mean equality for all. It has been twisted by 'new wave' feminists to have almost lost its intended meaning. It was coined by women who were fighting for equal rights to men at a time that that they didn't. Women in democracies now have those rights; women in Islamic theocracies do not.

But I guess you, and Islamic scripture, have answered my question; Women do not have the same rights as men under Islamic law; as they do under democratic law.

For Muslim women, to refer to themselves as Muslim feminists is wrong. Muslim feminist is, therefore, an oxymoron.

I think we both agree, albeit for varying reasons, that Islam is not a feminist religion. In fact, to be fair, women are not treated equally in any religion so none are.

In conclusion, to ensure equality for all; separating church/mosque and state ensures equality for all, regardless of religion, gender or the colour of their skin. Democracy may not be perfect but it is fairer, to men and women, than any other alternative on offer.

Thanks for discussing.
 
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islamocurious said:
In fact, to be fair, women are not treated equally in any religion so none are.
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Islam is all about equity, mutual complimentary rights. Not polarised rights as in what the west propagates.

So you would be wrong to claim that in Islam women are treated unfairly.

If that was the case, why is that PEW released stats showing 4/1 converts to islam are women from the west? Are the western women ignorant of your claim that women are treated unfairly in Islam? Nope,

Just ask any of the convert sisters to this forum - of which there are MANY, and here what they have to say.

islamocurious said:
In conclusion, to ensure equality for all; separating church/mosque and state ensures equality for all, regardless of religion, gender or the colour of their skin. Democracy may not be perfect but it is fairer, to men and women, than any other alternative on offer.

Thanks for discussing.
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You need to revise this "conclusion" :)

It's not reflecting any reality, but polarity ;)

Scimi
 
I studied sociology for A-level, and feminism is one of the central perspectives studied.

And from what I have read, there are many forms of feminism - radical, liberal, socialist, whatever. But the vast majority of them have a central problem in that they are very ethnocentric, their perspective is focused on a Western-oriented ideal of women's 'liberation' which I as a Muslim woman don't identify with entirely. For them what is regarded as oppression is not oppression for me, and what I might regard as oppression is not oppression for them.

I'm not entirely comfortable with saying Islam is a feminist religion. We could say that because of zakat or it's demand for the fair distribution of wealth it is a 'communist' religion, or any other label like that.

Islam is Islam, a century ago there was no such thing as feminism - and feminism has changed a great deal and probably will change much more in the future. But Islam won't change.

And it's true, most Muslim countries are far from perfect, but this has nothing to do with Islam and actually it is the *lack* of Islamic values and knowledge that creates these problems. And as for whether capitalism or democracy is fairer - that's very debatable.
 

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